Lettermail versus Light packet.

Was alerted to the following... at a local postal outlet... when I picked up a parcel that came back to me. 

 

Lettermail to the US must be paper only.

 

Sender sent lettermail  to the US... contained a small booklet.

 

Sender got it back... with the statement he  has to forward it with a customs declaration... that is Light packet.

 

The problem was that the booklet was coil bound....  a metal coil

 

A metal detector picked it up... It came back with the statement...

 

Do this again  and it will be a $50,000 fine...

 

Lettermail works for paper contents   but beware sending anything with a metal content....

 

Light Packet with a customs declaration will work for everything that fits lettermail.....  and be very specific....

 

 

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light packet has to go through the postal letter slot and have a customs form attached,with item identified and marked ebay sale.in canada this is lettermail,us lettermail is only paper as you stated.

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I didn't know that about the metal coil, I am glad you mentioned it. I know I have sent several knitting books with the coil by lettermail to the US. I won't be doing that again.

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A bit of a wake up call....

 

And this after watching Border Security ... Vancouver.... on TV

 

One does not want to get put on some form of a Blacklist.

 

That parcel was not opened.... but was most likely scanned.... and what did  border security see... or more specifically what was their interpretation of what they saw.

 

 

Sender opened the parcel in front of the postal clerk.

 

 

 

 

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@cumos55 wrote:

Was alerted to the following... at a local postal outlet... when I picked up a parcel that came back to me. 

 

Lettermail to the US must be paper only.

 

Sender sent lettermail  to the US... contained a small booklet.

 

Sender got it back... with the statement he  has to forward it with a customs declaration... that is Light packet.

 

The problem was that the booklet was coil bound....  a metal coil

 

A metal detector picked it up... It came back with the statement...

 

Do this again  and it will be a $50,000 fine...

 

 

 


 

Put a note on it and put back into slot:

 

Send this back again and it will be 100,000 lawsuit and your job and pension.

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Not my parcel  ! ! ! 

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I am sure the customs can say to bad so sad as it is paper only so even though it is a book there is metal on it so got detected and rejected and seller would most likely get a $500 fine if they tried to be a smart about it and ship it again because it the book or whatever it is contains anything other then paper I am sure they can lawfully reject it even though it is a book and is 99% paper ..

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It was the metal that sounded the alarm....

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I think it is important to understand the definition of Letterpost.  From the Canada Post website:

 

Letter-post is the most economical method of sending personal and business correspondence to the United States and international destinations. Letter-post items are composed of paper or other material with the general characteristics of paper (e.g., tickets, photographs, etc.). These items must meet the requirements for Letter-post, including size and weight.

 

The following items may not be sent as Letter-post (U.S.A. and International):

  • small packets
  • goods
  • film, audio or video recording (diskettes, CD, DVD)
  • unsealed self-mailers and envelopes
  • items that do not meet the specifications for U.S.A. and International Letter-post
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"Customs" has nothing to do with it.  The rejection is by Canada Post "revenue protection department" if the postage paid - as evidenced on the envelope or parcel - does not meet the fee table (based on weight, dimensions and type of service).

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@pierrelebel wrote:

"Customs" has nothing to do with it.  The rejection is by Canada Post "revenue protection department" if the postage paid - as evidenced on the envelope or parcel - does not meet the fee table (based on weight, dimensions and type of service).


The fact is (as we all know), many sellers send items that have been sold and are realistically "goods" over the border by letter-post.  Even paper items that are sold commercially -- such as vintage postcards, antique photographs, etc. -- would logically fit into the designation of "goods".  So, where eBay sellers are concerned, sending such items by letter-post is problematic from the start, as I expect there is more to this issue of separating the mails than merely the pricing of the postage itself.

 

I would think there must be some sort of legal obligation (whether international or federal) on Canada Post to separate commercial (goods) and letter mail that carries some serious consequences for CP itself if ignored, and that it must therefore try to enforce.  Surely the threat of a $50,000 fine isn't based solely on the postage paid not meeting the fee tariff, but on a much bigger issue.  Such a huge fine seems completely out of proportion for what might reasonably have been a simple error on the part of the sender in not properly categorizing his/her item and thus paying less postage than required. 

 

In other words, the warning of such a rather frightening and large fine suggests that this was seen by Canada Post as a deliberate attempt to pass an item of one type (commercial) off as another (non-commercial), with grave consequences if repeated. 

 

Now, I realize that 'cumos'  didn't mention whether the item was in fact personal correspondence or a commercial item sold to the intended recipient.  However, it seems the existence of a metal coil implied for Canada Post that the contents of the envelope must have been something other than letter mail. 

 

I won't be sending my auntie a booklet of inkjet-printed photos bound in a metal (or any) coil binding from now on.  I wonder if CP has anything against staples?

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light packet has to go through the postal letter slot and have a customs form attached,with item identified and marked ebay sale.in canada this is lettermail,us lettermail is only paper as you stated.

 

Where did you find the information that it has to be marked "ebay sale"?

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This was a bit of information received from a postal clerk.... Something that did not happen to me...

 

 

There have been some comparisons between lettermail/letterpost and Light packet here.

 

This bit of information reinforces the reality of what can and what should not be sent via letterpost to the US or elsewhere.

 

There is also a possibility that Canada Post is looking more carefully at letterpost  in order to find out how it is being used...

 

 

We should also recognize that Canada Post's promotion states...

 

Delivering the Online World


as their new moto.... and is perhaps looking to make people more aware of the reality of using the proper shipping option.

 

 

 

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I would think there must be some sort of legal obligation (whether international or federal) on Canada Post to separate commercial (goods) and letter mail that carries some serious consequences for CP itself if ignored, and that it must therefore try to enforce.  Surely the threat of a $50,000 fine isn't based solely on the postage paid not meeting the fee tariff, but on a much bigger issue. 

 

I doubt that it has anything to do with an international issue otherwise the USPS would have similar rules and they don't. I suspect that they want more revenue for merchandise which is why they raised the light packet rates by so much.

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The USPS does have restrictions/requirements (just not a cost difference).

 

 

First-Class Mail International Letters and Large Envelopes (Flats)

Under 16 ounces (equivalent to CP's 500g limit), containing only documents

No restrictions

 

First-Class Mail International Letters and Large Envelopes (Flats)

1 to 4 pounds, containing only documents

and

All items containing any goods, regardless of weight.

must have attached USPS Form 2976, Customs Declaration CN 22 Sender’s Declaration.

 

 

And anything worth more than $400 must use a more expensive USPS mail service.

 

 

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I realize that they have certain restrictions but my point was that you can use the same class of mail....first class international for documents or merchandise. But Canada Post separates them into two services and charges quite a bit extra. I don't think that there is a legal reason for that...they could simply require a customs form on oversize envelopes or any envelopes carrying goods.

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Pricing relationships between Small Packet and Light Packet are changing.

 

 

Today, for a parcel weighing 250 to 500 grams Small Packet Air USA is the same cost as Light Packet USA...  That is $10.66.

 

 

 

 

The pricing relationship  between Letterpost USA and Light Packet USA  will be adjusted  as of March 31, 2014.

 

$10.30 for Letterpost USA compared to $10.66 for Light Packet USA

 

 

 

For International mail  weighing  250 to 500 grams .. 

 

Letterpost International will be $20.60,  compared to Light Packet at $19.12

 

Canada Post is making adjustments.

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Oh yes, Canada Post is making adjustments alright. Normal folks call this raising prices.

 

As I've pointed out too tiresomely often on these boards, the Universal Postal Union (to which Canada is a signatory) classifies what CP calls Letter-post, Light Packet and Small Packet as lettermail or first-class mail. It is only Canada Post who drew up regulations by means of which they could ("legally") redefine lettermail so that they could charge more postage, even though the mail pieces in question are physically identical and are transmitted by the same means (air). No other postal administration in the world has tried this dodge to raise revenue.

 

Now that CP has launched Letter-post (and Lettermail) prices into the stratosphere, Letter-post rates are catching up with Light and Small Packet rates. This is as it should be but unfortunately for us poor schmucks who are CP's customers and fortunately(?) for CP, the rates are outrageous. And who knows what the LP and SP rates will be come March 31?

 

Fine of $50K if you break one of CP's "laws"? That's all, no jail time? That story ranks with those speculations that the RCMP will come calling if they catch you "undervaluing" on a customs declarartion.

 

Tom

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Can I send a metal plate via nonstandard letter post  if it's less than 2cm thick?

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Not paper

 

Not a document....

 

Light Packet will do.....

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