01-15-2016 08:25 PM
Hi guys,
I'm planning on starting a small business here. I will be selling relatively small and light weight product that can be placed in a padded envelope roughly within 30-50g in a 4x8 envelope. I haven't done any shipping internationally or within Canada, so any advice will be great. I will be shipping within Canada and U.S only. I just need your advice on shipping rates for domestic and to U.S through Canada post. I have read that printing labels through paypal is the best option. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
01-15-2016 08:35 PM
Where are you located?
Thickness of these packages?
01-15-2016 09:01 PM
I'm located in Canada. The thickness of the envelope shouldn't more than a inch.
01-15-2016 09:52 PM
@retrorexgames wrote:I'm located in Canada. The thickness of the envelope shouldn't more than a inch.
Too vague!!!
01-15-2016 09:59 PM
Well okay, I'm located in Toronto, Ontario.
The thickness of the envelope should be more than 1 - 2 inches at most.
01-15-2016 10:01 PM
I hadn't realized I was posting in Canada forums, that's why I didn't reply with city earlier.
01-15-2016 10:09 PM
Lettermail (oversize or standard) cannot be printed via paypal shipping but it maxes out at 2 cm. You have to use metric here; Canada Post isn't interested in inches.
01-15-2016 11:17 PM
I was just using inches in a discussion here since I was asked about thickness of the envelope. I never said Canada post uses them.
I have seen print labels on envelopes, but I think it was from USPS and not Canada Post. There's no way to just print shipping labels for envelopes than? My only option is to use stamps?
01-15-2016 11:23 PM
OK I'll give you some general info, the rest you can look up yourself.
There is a HUGE difference in shipping costs within Canada for a package more than 2cm thick vs under 2cm
The difference when shipping to the USA is smaller but still very significant.
Since you are located in Toronto you might want to look here for your US or International needs.
01-15-2016 11:24 PM - edited 01-15-2016 11:27 PM
You misunderstand me.
Canada Post measures only in centimetres. If you want to send things cheap via domestic or international lettermail your envelope height cannot exceed 2 cm. That's stamps. There is also a weight restriction but I don't know it offhand.
Anything taller than 2 cm is a parcel. And, trust me, they measure it.
One mm in difference means your cost goes from a buck or two to ten or fifteen dollars.
Also, you need to consider tracking. It's fine to say the items that you're selling are lightweight and low-value (so you can afford to lose them to Items Not Received Claims) but too many of those and ebay will give you the boot.
Spend some time playing with rates for various sizes at Canada Post. https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/far/business/findARate?execution=e1s1
Shipping is the trickiest part of online sales in any venue.
If you're printing labels for parcels, use Paypal Shipping. ebay sellers get a discount on most services. Use Expedited Parcel for domestic Canada. It's faster and comes with insurance. Regular Parcel costs the same but has NO insurance.
01-15-2016 11:29 PM - edited 01-15-2016 11:32 PM
@retrorexgames wrote:
... I will be selling relatively small and light weight product that can be placed in a padded envelope roughly within 30-50g in a 4x8 envelope. I haven't done any shipping internationally or within Canada, so any advice will be great. I will be shipping within Canada and U.S only. I just need your advice on shipping rates for domestic and to U.S through Canada post. I have read that printing labels through paypal is the best option.
If under 2cm (0.8 inches) then oversize lettermail works best for Canada.
Pro: One postage rate for all of Canada
Con: No tracking, no insurance (which for a lot of things is not a disadvantage)
Paypal: Postage can not be printed, but you can print the address and cut and paste to the envelope.
Lettermail rates are currently frozen at 2015 levels when using stamps.
Canada lettermail (stamps)
000-030g .. 0.85
031-050g .. 1.20
051-100g .. 1.80
101-200g .. 2.95
201-300g .. 4.10
301-400g .. 4.70
401-500g .. 5.05
If package is over 2cm thick then you'd be looking at Expedited parcel for inside Canada.
Pro: tracked, includes $100 insurance
Con: for light weight items it is expensive since the first weight range is 0-750g
Paypal: available for purchase
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01-16-2016 12:45 PM - edited 01-16-2016 12:47 PM
@retrorexgames wrote:
I have seen print labels on envelopes, but I think it was from USPS and not Canada Post. There's no way to just print shipping labels for envelopes than? My only option is to use stamps?
You need to understand the difference between shipping within Canada and outside (either to the U.S. or internationally). The weights, rates, and requirements are quite different.
Within Canada, if your item will ship in an envelope (or bubble mailer) that is no larger than 37 x 27 x 2cm, and no heavier than 500gm, you can use the inexpensive lettermail service, but you must use stamps (unless you have an office-style label machine, like the ones Pitney-Bowes sells, but these are expensive to buy and to maintain, and only worthwhile if you have a really huge volume of mail).
Within Canada, over the 37 x 27 x 2cm size and 500gm weight, you are into domestic parcel rates of one type or another, which, as others have said, are expensive and vary greatly depending on your location and the destination. A parcel going from Toronto to Vancouver is going to cost more (and take longer) than from Toronto to, say, Ottawa. However, you do get a discount if you use Paypal labelling for these services.
From Canada to the U.S. the rates and weight breaks are different. For smaller, lighter items you should really use Light Packet or Small Packet (you can do Paypal labels for these although there is no discount on Light or Small Packet). I find the rates on Light/Small Packet USA are still fairly good. I know a lot of sellers use letter mail for smaller, lighter items to the USA that are under that 2.0cm thickness, but strictly speaking items that are sold commercially should not be sent by lettermail. The Light/Small Packet USA Paypal labelling feature includes a section for Customs declaration, which must be completed for each item in the parcel. This is a lot less trouble though than filling out a Customs form at the Post Office.
Beyond the Light/Small Packet USA services you are into the more expensive tracked services. You do get a discount for these by using Paypal labels, and it's significantly more than you'd get from Canada Post even with a small business discount.
Canada Post's International services are similar in name to the USA services, but much more expensive. Again, you can use Paypal labelling for Small/Light Packet International, but there are no discounts for those services, only for the tracked services.
I would strongly advise you to go to the Canada Post website and spend 2 or 3 days perusing it, studying the services available, and printing out a summary of the domestic and international rates. Canada Post has just updated their site so I can't point you to a specific page, but start with the home page and look for the link to "Send a Parcel". Although the Canada Post rates will not reflect the Paypal discounts, they will give you a good place to start. Don't bother with the business section/services for now.
You will also need to access HS Code tables if you're selling outside Canada, as you'll need to enter an applicable code on the Customs declaration for each item that you ship outside the country. These codes are available on the Industry Canada website -- go to Industry Canada, and then search for HS Codes. I'd suggest you either make a note of the codes you'll be using most often or print out the appropriate table(s) of codes for reference.
I probably don't need to say this, but have all your packing and shipping materials on hand before you even put up the first listing. Make sure you have a reasonable supply of postage stamps, packing tape, oversize envelopes, and bubble envelopes and/or boxes that will fit all of your products.
If you're planning to make a business, however small, of your eBay selling, go to the Canada Post website and sign up for the "Solutions for Small Business", as you'll get some small discounts if you ever have to buy postage or pay for shipping at the Post Office (or use Canada Post's online shipping label system in an emergency -- don't bother with CP online labels otherwise). While you're on the Canada Post website, order a supply of "Labelopes" -- the plastic stick-on coverings that will contain and protect your Paypal labels on the envelopes or boxes you send. These Labelopes are free, and Canada Post will ship them to you for free. I'd start with ordering 50 and see how quickly you use them.
If you're wise, you'll also invest $15 or $20 in a postal scale. You can buy these at any hardware or department store. Don't get the kind with the cup or bin on top -- you want the flat type, on which you can place a parcel to weigh it. Either a digital scale or regular old-style work equally as well.
Some sellers suggest using discount postage stamps for mailing parcels. Personally I think you have to be willing to spend the time and effort on this (and know where to source enough discount stamps) to make it worthwhile. You also need to know when the stamps are more of a savings than the Paypal discounts (such as the fairly generous discount on Expedited Parcel labels).
Preparation, study of the services, and attention to detail are the key factors to make shipping successful. It is, without doubt, the hardest part of selling on eBay, the biggest hurdle for newcomers, and the biggest pitfall for the unwary. The best advice I can give you is to do your homework thoroughly before you even list your very first item.
Best of luck in your business!
01-16-2016 01:08 PM
@retrorexgames wrote:I was just using inches in a discussion here since I was asked about thickness of the envelope. I never said Canada post uses them.
I have seen print labels on envelopes, but I think it was from USPS and not Canada Post. There's no way to just print shipping labels for envelopes than? My only option is to use stamps?
Another factor is the value of the items being shipped. If they are high value then you will need tracking and insurance which will limit your options.
01-16-2016 05:42 PM
CP uses a 20mm slot to determine pricing. If you cannot get one from CP, make one.
The piece of mail must drop freely through the slot, not forced. Can you reasonably expect your mail to drop through the slot? Find out. If not, you have moved from lettermail or light packet, into Small Packet. That is a whole different game for pricing.
01-16-2016 11:29 PM
Thank you so much everyone specially Rose-dee for taking the time and breaking everything down for me. I really appreciate it guys.
Currently I'm just trying to figure out the total cost before I even attempt to get this business started. The product is not really worth much, so I don't think I will be factoring in the cost for insurance. I have checked the thickness and it is within 2 cm.
That's a really good idea, mr.elmwood. I will definitely look into making it at home, so I can test my envelopes.
Thanks a bunch guys, hopefully it will all go well. :]
01-17-2016 01:47 PM
We have encountered worn out slots at post offices that allow 21mm -22mm items to go through. Had a few items come back from that.
01-17-2016 02:16 PM
@retrorexgames wrote:Thank you so much everyone specially Rose-dee for taking the time and breaking everything down for me. I really appreciate it guys.
Currently I'm just trying to figure out the total cost before I even attempt to get this business started. The product is not really worth much, so I don't think I will be factoring in the cost for insurance. I have checked the thickness and it is within 2 cm.
That's a really good idea, mr.elmwood. I will definitely look into making it at home, so I can test my envelopes.
Thanks a bunch guys, hopefully it will all go well. :]
Possible but not probable. You can never be 100% prepared. There is always that "What now?" "I never thought of that" and things simply change.
One does not learn by doing things right. One learns by getting it wrong and learning how to do it right.
If the product is not worth much, your input costs need to be as close to zero as possible. Acquisition costs, packaging, mailing, time invested, all need to be as close to nothing as possible.
Then, what you are selling has to be suitable for mail order and there needs to be a market.
01-17-2016 02:24 PM
Also, you need to be certain that what you are hoping to sell is, uh, legal to send by post both within the country and, more importantly, outside of it. It might seem like a no-brainer but there are things that we take for granted here that cannot be exported due to being prohibited and/or restricted in the country of destination.
01-17-2016 02:30 PM - edited 01-17-2016 02:31 PM
01-17-2016 09:45 PM
You can never be fully prepared, but it is good practice to prepare your self the best you can.
I'm not the type of person that just goes in hoping it will work out. I always analyze every aspect of it before I invest any time and money into it. It isn't anything illegal as it's being shipped within Canada on ebay already and I've asked Canada post as well.