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Valve - that is an impressive list, even if most of those so-called "scandals" have nothing to do with the party in power.
However, your list is still shorter than the list we had after the Harris era.
The election of a conservative government in Ontario under Hudak would make the list much longer.
Do you really want to fire 100,000 teachers and other civil servants? What would that prove? I have yet to see a logical answer by a conservative supporter.
Statistics Canada keeps data on the number of Ontarians employed in the province's public sector.
According to figures from 2012, there were 88,000 positions in the category "provincial general government." Those workers include everyone from academics at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education who write curriculum for schools, to civil engineers who decide where new highways will go, and social policy experts tackling child poverty issues.
Those in the health and social service category include hospital and home care workers, and social services not in government, such as group home workers, workers in children's mental health services, and children's aid employees. The entire group adds up to 239,000 workers.
Universities, colleges, and vocational and trade institutions account for 148,000 workers.
Teachers, educational assistants, principals and office support staff at schools, fall under the school boards category, as do administrative staff and managers of the school boards themselves. The group accounts for 288,000 workers in the province.
The provincial government business enterprises category includes the LCBO, Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation, Hydro One, and Ontario Power Generation. This category accounts for 39,000 positions.
So far that's about 800,000 Ontario public service positions.
Hudak includes 329,000 posts at the municipal level in the broader public service — everyone from parks and recreation staff, ambulance, police and fire, library, sewer and water, to those in garbage collection — again, with the caveat that police would be spared from cuts.
It's assumed he could expand cuts to this sector by slashing funding to municipalities, who would in turn have to reduce the number of municipal workers.
The verdict: Ontario's Public Service Employees Union says it's wrong to say the proposed cuts are "fair, reasonable and balanced."
OPSEU political economist Randy Robinson says the number of public service workers in Ontario has always fallen closely in line with overall population numbers in the province.
"We are right in line with population (growth) over the long term average," Robinson argues.
The 1.1 million positions works out to just under 10 per cent of Ontario's population, and just below the 12 per cent average since 1975, according to OPSEU's figures.
"McGuinty added 300,000 new civil servants."
Nonsense. You guys would have more credibility if you quoted real factual numbers instead of making them up.
Post # 3: McGuinty added 300,000 new civil servants.
Post # 6: There are now 101,882 more people employed by the provincial government than when Mr. McGuinty took power.
Which one is it? 300,000 or 101,882 ?
Then, assuming your numbers are correct :
1) There are now 101,882 more people employed by the provincial government"
2) the private sector generated 108,000 net new jobs.
So, all in all, according to you that government created more jobs, both in government and in private sector. Not so bad, is it?
The Conservative leader wants to eliminate 100,000 jobs in the public sector. That would eliminate all jobs created in the last eight years. Fewer teachers, etc... 100,000 more unemployed? Does that make any sense to you?
Where is the benefit? Oh yes, now I remember: cut corporate taxes. Layoff Ontarians so foreign companies can pay lower taxes on profit made in Ontario and pay their foreign shareholders higher dividends. If that is the conservative recipe for success, count me out.
Post # 3: McGuinty added 300,000 new civil servants.
Post # 6: There are now 101,882 more people employed by the provincial government than when Mr. McGuinty took power.
Which one is it? 300,000 or 101,882 ?
"How can you begin to imagine that the government created jobs in the private sector ?"
According to Hudak, he would create one million jobs in Ontario,
Does that number make sense yo you?
It was and interesting debate on TVO tonight. Hudak doing his usual spew with no real facts to substantiate them. Wynne on the defensive (a rough night for her). Nonetheless she held her own despite a lot of accusations were made against her and she never had a real chance to clarify them. Horwath was surprising. She was calm, cool, collected and did very well in my estimation. She laid out her platform with style and in an understandable way. I read an article the other day that wallets could swing this election and Horwath focused on people's wallets. Wynne said she would spend more and that probably scared a lot of people. Where she said she would spend and if it would turn out to have long term help for the economy would be a long discussion. Hudak he wants to cut 100,000 jobs but although he said they would be done by attrition those figures do not add up. I believe the attrition idea was pure damage control when he seen how angry that made many people. Now he even has the OPP condemning his campaign and that's the first time they have ever gotten into a political fray. Someone should have called him on the Drummond Report which he said he supported and it said eliminate over 6500 nurses jobs, get rid of more teachers and enlarge class sizes.
So we have Wynne who will spend more and Hudak who will cut more and affect jobs and children. Then we have Horwath who said some things will be cut, but education and schools will be saved and car insurance will be lowered and energy taxes and she will help small businesses. She admitted it will take a year more to balance the budget compared to Hudak but it won't be as destructive or drive Ontario back to a recession. So when it comes down to the wallet concept which the average person really understands, Horwath won hands down.
This will be a real wicked election. Whoever wins it will be a minority government most likely.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would vote Hudak and the only reason they would is because they either haven't done their homework or they are out for revenge against the Liberals and who cares whatever happens later.
Voters for Wynne probably trust her long term plans and they want to keep Hudak out.
Horwath could come out of nowhere as Rae did when he won the province and no one expected it.
I'm still undecided except for the fact I don't want Hudak in charge of our future, that's a definite. Unfortunately my vote (like that of many others) may have to be a strategic vote. Whoever wins, no one is getting the popular vote, so if the race is close across the board that means that a leader will take office that a majority of people don't want as leader. So much for getting even close to true democracy.
Let me ask the question one more time:
Post # 3: McGuinty added 300,000 new civil servants.
Post # 6: There are now 101,882 more people employed by the provincial government than when Mr. McGuinty took power.
Which one is it? 300,000 or 101,882 ?
