07-01-2013 07:11 AM
eBay's Hugh Williams Explains Cassini Search, Part One
By Ina Steiner
EcommerceBytes.com
July 01, 2013
eBay rolled out a new search engine to users in North America this month, and sellers have lots of questions. What exactly is "Cassini"? Will shoppers notice a difference when searching for items? How will it impact the upcoming holiday shopping season, if at all? Vice President of Experience, Search and Platforms Hugh Williams joined EcommerceBytes Editor Ina Steiner to answer these questions and more.
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"We don't share our metrics publicly for obvious reasons. In my mind, our goal is really to make sure that we're successful in connecting buyers to sellers, and we look at that in lots of different ways to make sure we understand the full picture."
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07-02-2013 05:41 PM
kudos to you all on this discussion - very interesting.
Again, it seems quite evident that the new search has shuffled us further to the back of the bus.
Most of the hits we're getting are ones we're generating ourselves.
Rather than address all concerns at once, I'd like to throw out one specific question, to see if anyone has any knowledge about it. That is - if an item gets a larger number of hits but doesn't sell, what are the consequences?
a) Do you get a boost in search because the listing is popular?
b) Or, do you get held back in search because of low sales to views ration?
either way, you could see a geek coming up with a rationale
+ would these effects apply in general to all your listings, those particular items, or both?
In either case, is the effect changed when the views come from outside of or within eBay?
07-02-2013 06:47 PM
I think you have touched on a tf what Cumos and I have been theorizing.
There is no way to know what will happen, as I belive, Cassini is a living breathing creature. Thus, other than predictable. Great relevant experience, as described, shipping, etc.
I "think" sell thru plays to relevance, great experience, as described.
My inventory turns over four times a year. Is that good, bad, average? How do they quantify imagery? I do not use eBay pictures, I insert 1-6 pictures in the description. Inventory turn over speaks to sell thru rate. Add that to views and that sounds like a great seller.
perhaps search and placement is becoming everything it should be? Too many selelrs cry: I ship with tracking, I have my TPS, high FB, I shoulda coulda woulda be high in search placement.
Saw a seller over on Seller Central a few days ago. Sales had crashed and burned. I looked at his titles and descriptions. I had no idea what he was selling. A jumble of part numbers, code words, meaningless jumble. Cassini moved him down. He is simply not providing a relevant experience with a great description.
A seller and their listings are soon parted? I had not thought of that angle.
07-02-2013 10:44 PM
Its a huge improvement in only retruning relevant results
Search .ca for "lord of the rings blu"
and you get more blue clothes and other things then the movies you want, with chinese cellphone holders among the top reults
Before com would have returned even more results from USA only items, now its half as many as its only relevant blu ray movies
auction format still very heavily weighted at the front
07-02-2013 11:17 PM
There are several options... more on the part of the seller...
(1) Increase the price...
(2) Lower the price
(3) Add a Best Offer option to the listing and find out what the potential buyers are looking for....
Views are one things... but .... How many watchers are associated with the listing... The high the number, the greater the probability that it is more than other sellers doing the watching....
(4) End the listing... relist and start with a new listing....New listings get a boost on eBay....
Research -----
(1) What is the competition, and competition's pricing
(2) Things will be different for an established seller with a high feedback number, as opposed to a new seller on eBay....Buyer's perception....
(3) Was that a large number of hits over a short time interval..... or has that number accumulated over many months....
(4) How long has the listing been on eBay?
(5) Has that listing gone "stale"? 16 months on eBay is considered too long by eBay... and some form of revision is "recommended"...
The answers have more to do with what a seller should consider as opposed to the placement in search.
and in turn
What should a seller do to get an improvement in visibility... New listings get a boost in search... Old listings do not... and may get bypassed.....
and perhaps more to consider....
07-02-2013 11:20 PM
Could it be that Cassini is on eBay.com .... only.... and not on eBay.ca
That is the way I read the information on eBay.com and on discussion boards
07-03-2013 02:33 PM
@art-in-the-making wrote:
Rather than address all concerns at once, I'd like to throw out one specific question, to see if anyone has any knowledge about it. That is - if an item gets a larger number of hits but doesn't sell, what are the consequences?
a) Do you get a boost in search because the listing is popular?
b) Or, do you get held back in search because of low sales to views ration?
either way, you could see a geek coming up with a rationale
+ would these effects apply in general to all your listings, those particular items, or both?
In either case, is the effect changed when the views come from outside of or within eBay?
This is an intriguing issue, and one I've grappled with as a seller, yet I'm not sure eBay really wants any of us to know the answer to this particular conundrum.
I had an item that was an impressive and visually beautiful piece listed for over a year. It invariably showed up as "most popular listing" on my Omniture stats, and had thousands of hits during the time it was listed, yet never sold. Was it the price, the unusual nature of the item, or the fact that the visibility went down over time? I don't know for certain, but what I can tell you is that although it was a GTC item that continued to roll over every month, it still showed up always within the first 3 pages of a seach within the category I was selling. In retail shops, these sort of items are "loss leaders", or "window dressing". They serve a purpose, as long as they're connected with the other items for sale. The key is not to have too many of them!
Recently, it garnered eBay's little "hint" on my selling page -- that line that says "Your item has had no sales in ___ months, please consider revising it". So I thought, all right, there's nothing to lose, I'll bite and see what the search results do. I ended the item, completely removed it from my listings, and thoroughly revised it, re-arrange the pictures (which were already high quality), new updated Auctiva frame, etc. I listed it at a somewhat reduced price, and waited. I checked with searches on a few occasions -- there it was, still in the top 3 pages.
My conclusion was that whatever eBay's computer search engines were doing, sales of the particular item did not seem to be an issue. I still had really good visibility, and I can say that was the same on .com. Ultimately I think computer programmes for such searches have become so sophisticated that they are beyond just putting 2 and 2 together -- in essence, they are coming close to having human-like judgment. I suspect this is the case with Cassini.
May I also suggest that as sellers, if you aren't already doing so, you conduct a bit of buying on eBay. You might find it illuminating to see what happens as a buyer. I've recently noticed my personal (buyer's) "Feed" on the eBay home page, as much as I reviled it at first, has become very attuned to my buying interests, and has helped me locate items I might not have found (or bothered looking for) otherwise. No doubt eBay knows this too.
Interestingly, since I sometimes purchase in the same category(ies) in which I sell, I noticed that immediately after listing new items they popped up on my personal "Feed" near the top. If you don't consider this is a powerful buyer incentive, think again! It's very much akin to what is happening everywhere on the internet -- information-gathering to personalize what you see.
My point is that this concept of the personal "Feed" may even override any real importance that deliberate searches on eBay have. In other words, if a buyer searches several times for particular types of articles, those items will soon show up on his/her "Feed". Hence the importance of just providing an overall good, professional merchandising experience for buyers. In this sense I don't think there is any "magic" set of parameters that will guarantee your items will come out on top, especially if other factors that have to do with your selling are not first-rate. This is the new world of eBay, and is, IMO, precisely where we are going. To quote "inuk" -
Cumos, what are you intimating, that buyers no longer have to check the description box as Cassini will intuitively look there? Yow!
Computers that think? That is an interesting perspective. Adds a whole new variable to keywords, aka, what is the buyer thinking.
Yes, and yes.
07-03-2013 05:59 PM
Very nice discussion. Problem. We are a dozen out of a 116,000,000. Vast majority are completely clueless. Sellers over on Seller Central dot com with FB over 10,000, completely clueless.
That scares me.
07-05-2013 09:46 AM
It is not that sellers should know the basics of Cassini as a software program, how it does what it does and based on its mathematical algorithms .
It is that sellers should know how to put a listing together, as recommended by eBay, and then adjust that listing in relation to where it appears in a search report.
With representative listings....It may be necessary to list it, adjust it and then view it in a search report....make necessary adjustments ... if required.
We learn how Cassini works by what each seller does in their own listings....
A Seller should also understand that a seller might also have to make adjustments in who they are, and how they deal with buyers....
It is important not to list it and leave it... Too many sellers expect a listing to function at the same level over time.... Yet we all know eBay search loves new listings... listings with sales... and listings that bring activity to eBay