09-08-2015 03:16 PM
I just did my last purchase on Ebay from a US seller that's using this scammy program.I promised myself to avoid any seller who is part of this so-called "program".During last 5 years or so I bought countless items from US sellers void of this gsp,and I can honestly say that not even once did I have to pay any duty on items purchased,ranging in value from $10-300.I think,I'm better off buying from China from now on.Global shipping program(in my opinion) is in partership with Ebay only to rip off International buyers without any legitimate reason whatsoever!
09-08-2015 07:52 PM
The Global Shipping Program is only in place for sellers from the USA or from the UK.
So you can still buy 'safely' from 176 other countries, including Canada.
All GSP listings include these words:
Customs services and international tracking provided
Unfortunately, if you are shopping on a mobile device or if you are Searching in Gallery View, the warning is not visible.
Even if you miss the warning, the total including Canadian duty and sales taxes and the ~$5 PB service charge will show up before you click to accept the charges and pay by Paypal.
The Chinese problem is not duty or sales, but inaccurate descriptions, slow delivery and bad sellers who never ship anything. And should a transaction go wrong, you will be returning the unwanted item with Confirmation of Delivery at a cost of ~$40 or more.
09-08-2015 10:45 PM
Buy Canadian and make so may people happy.
09-09-2015 03:54 PM
I tried to buy an item (less than $10) from a US seller and contacted the seller beforehand to ask about shipping cost to Canada. The guy said he would ship it for $2, but after making the buy, he wasn't able to get around the GSP, it was somehow locked to his account, and was forcing a shipping charge of $18. He tried everything to undo it and in the end could not get rid of the GSP so we agreed to cancel the sale.
I'm sure there are thousands of these stories like this. GET RID OF THE FREAKIN GSP!
09-10-2015 02:45 AM
I have a hard time with your seller's claim that he could ship a dress for $2 from the USA to Canada.
The lowest price I could work out was $4.98 USD for First Class International Envelope
Max. length 15", height 12" or thickness 3/4" and 300 grams -- and that would have to be a very lightweight fabric since 300 grams is less than the weight of a Gabaldon paperback novel.
I was surprised at how easy finding the cost was compared to slogging through Canada Post's confused system.
09-10-2015 09:22 AM
@reallynicestamps wrote:
I have a hard time with your seller's claim that he could ship a dress for $2 from the USA to Canada.
I do, too. I think this is yet another case of a seller who's inexperienced in shipping internationally "accidentally" finding themselves enrolled in the Global Shipping Program. Sellers who have never or rarely shipped outside of the United States generally don't have much awareness of the costs involved, don't consult the USPS website and inadvertently lowball their shipping quotes as a result.
@reallynicestamps wrote:
I was surprised at how easy finding the cost was compared to slogging through Canada Post's confused system.
Yup. My only quibble with the design of the USPS rate calculator is that First Class International (small packet/oversize letter) rates need to be specially excavated on the calculation results screen.
09-10-2015 11:03 AM
I agree: The GSP is an insult to Canadians.
My pet peeve: Big Business that gets away with this kind of manipulation which is amounts to legal theft. They all do it.
I am of the mind-set that a service we pay for should be voluntary and also provide something in return for our money.
The GSP not only gives us nothing in return for the money we spend, it ensures that shipping time will actually be longer and less efficient and so it gives us less than nothing for our money.
The GSP charges us (and we pay) for ensuring that the shipping service will be hampered in almost every way possible.
We pay because we are human and "really really want" that item dangled in front of us and the only way to get it is to comply with the GSP and pay for this Non-Service.
Kind of like a little involuntary "tip" for eBay, P-B, and the seller.
Not just that: I can't recall the last time I was asked to pay taxes or duty for an item I bought other than when the GSP was involved.
09-10-2015 04:57 PM - edited 09-10-2015 04:59 PM
@sylviebee wrote:
I am of the mind-set that a service we pay for should be voluntary and also provide something in return for our money.
Fair enough, but keep in mind that in many cases, the alternative to the Global Shipping Program would be no stated shipping to Canada at all. It's not that US sellers have thrown in the towel on conventional (direct) international shipping, but rather that the program seems to be largely used (sometimes unknowingly) by sellers who would otherwise not ship to Canada or anywhere else outside of the United States.
In short, eBay and PitneyBowes would likely argue that what you're getting in return for your money is a forwarding service and an item that would possibly not be available to you otherwise.
@sylviebee wrote:
I can't recall the last time I was asked to pay taxes or duty for an item I bought other than when the GSP was involved.
You haven't purchased an item shipped by ground via a commercial carrier such as UPS or FedEx, then. The fees they charge for assessing and collecting taxes and duties legally due on an item with a declared value of over C$20 make the GSP fees look like chicken feed.
09-10-2015 05:34 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
@sylviebee wrote:
I am of the mind-set that a service we pay for should be voluntary and also provide something in return for our money.
@sylviebee wrote:
I can't recall the last time I was asked to pay taxes or duty for an item I bought other than when the GSP was involved.
You haven't purchased an item shipped by ground via a commercial carrier such as UPS or FedEx, then. The fees they charge for assessing and collecting taxes and duties legally due on an item with a declared value of over C$20 make the GSP fees look like chicken feed.
I used a courier service about 20 years ago and once was more than enough to learn that lesson.
Your defence of the GSP is that couriers are just as bad?
Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program that is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?
09-10-2015 10:21 PM - edited 09-10-2015 10:23 PM
@sylviebee wrote:
Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program that is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?
It's not so much a defence of the program as it is an attempt to put to bed a lot of the garbage being spewn about it. No, it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's not the Devil Incarnate either, and there's nothing illegal or scammy about it. If used properly, i.e. for heavier and/or pricier items, it can serve Canadian buyers quite well.
Compare these two listings for similar items sold for about the same price. Admittedly, this isn't an item that's a good candidate for international shipping as I can get this stuff for about the same price in Canadian dollars from my local health products store. Still, to wit:
Item shipped through GSP: http://www.ebay.ca/itm//381276398486
Similar item shipped by First Class International: http://www.ebay.ca/itm//281772961062
Even if the GSP item is sent to Nova Scotia where the HST is 15%, the total of the shipping and import charges still comes to less than the First Class International charge of the second item. And the First Class International item still has the possibility--however remote--of being dinged for taxes and Canada Post's C$9.95 processing charge for remitting the taxes to CBSA.
I could be wrong, but I think you're of the mind that if the GSP didn't exist, most of the items you're finding would ship directly to Canada through conventional post. If that's the case, I respectfully disagree. I think most of the GSP listings for items unsuited for the GSP are being sold by sellers have no idea they're enrolled in the program, who have little to no experience selling and shipping internationally, and there's a good chance they'd balk at the idea of shipping here if asked by a Canadian buyer.
So I guess I support the GSP along the lines that it does give us Canadians a bit more choice when buying from the US or UK and can make purchases less expensive if used appropriately. I bought a mobile phone from a GSP seller who mostly knew what he was doing and paid a lot less in shipping and processing charges than if I'd purchased it from sellers using overkill tracked up the wazoo shipping.
One of the big problems with the GSP is that it's often being used inappropriately and by sellers who have been bamboozled into offering it. These sellers don't know what they're doing and it's often these sales that go south for various reasons. The brighter sellers have done their homework and have figured out when and when not to use the GSP and the precautions the legwork they need to do to make the shipment go as smoothly as possible.
There are, of course, other issues with the program, such as the difficulty using the resolution process in the event of damage or non-delivery, the difficulty in combining shipments and the fact that "best match" seems to favour GSP listings. However, I'd say that a good deal of the issues with the GSP could be prevented or avoided if buyers and sellers took some time to educate themselves on the program and what it can and can't do.
@sylviebee wrote:I used a courier service about 20 years ago and once was more than enough to learn that lesson.
Your defence of the GSP is that couriers are just as bad?
No. My observation is that the ground services of commercial carriers tend to be worse than the GSP when it comes to customs processing charges.
09-11-2015 11:00 AM - edited 09-11-2015 11:00 AM
And I repeat with even greater emphasis than previously as you have just proven my point more than I ever could have by your lengthy post above:
(There are hundreds of issues Canadian buyers and sellers must contend with on eBay, and you've chosen to champion one which very few if any Canadians (other than you) support. Are you Canadian?)
marnotom! Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program that is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?
09-11-2015 11:09 AM
Because it is not meant to be a service to the buyer.
The purpose of the program was to encourage US sellers to offer international shipping.
The seller has no responsibility for shipping once the parcel reaches the GSP/PitneyBowes plant in Erlanger KY.
The seller does not have to prepare customs labels.
The seller cannot get negative feedback from customers who are shocked when they are charged duty by their country.
The seller cannot be forced to pay for packages returned when customers refuse to pay duty.
The only minor benefit to the buyer is that more US sellers now sell internationally. More products are now available.
Of course, the program was introduced so badly that many sellers, particularly newbies, were signed up by default and nothing was done to discourage the use of the program for items that should never be sold under it, particularly items valued under $50 to $100.
09-11-2015 01:04 PM
@sylviebee wrote:
marnotom! Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program that is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?
Why the reluctance to respond to specific points brought up in my post? If you actually go back and read my post, you'll see that I made some of the same points that Femmefan made.
There are a lot of misconceptions about the Global Shipping Program. Correcting those misconceptions is not a defence of the program.
09-11-2015 01:38 PM - edited 09-11-2015 01:38 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
@sylviebee wrote:
marnotom! Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program that is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?Why the reluctance to respond to specific points brought up in my post? If you actually go back and read my post, you'll see that I made some of the same points that Femmefan made.
There are a lot of misconceptions about the Global Shipping Program. Correcting those misconceptions is not a defence of the program.
marnotom!: femme's post was about an American's point of view While I don't agree with 100% of what femme posted I agree with enough of it that I'm happy to Kudo her post.
Your post, on the other hand, makes an attempt to point out why it's not such a bad thing for Canadians and I disagree with so much of what you posted that responding to your points would simply lead to a long drawn-out pointless debate.
That's why I'm not touching it any more than to repeat: Why the relentless effort to defend and thus support a program which is rarely in our best interest as Canadians?
09-11-2015 03:10 PM - edited 09-11-2015 03:14 PM
Do you have anything to say in response to any of my points or are you just going to continue to take cheap potshots?
eBay and Pitney Bowes aren't likely going to do much with the GSP as it currently stands if all they see are erroneous posts about it being "illegal" or a "scam." They're going to dismiss these comments as being from Canadians who are ignorant about how the application of taxes and duty on personal imports works.
If you feel that erroneous arguments against the GSP serve the eBay community well, so be it, but I don't think it does. I think it's best to know and understand the ways of one's enemy in order to combat it effectively.
09-11-2015 04:13 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
eBay and Pitney Bowes aren't likely going to do much with the GSP as it currently stands if all they see are erroneous posts about it being "illegal" or a "scam." They're going to dismiss these comments as being from Canadians who are ignorant about how the application of taxes and duty on personal imports works.
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C'mon! You can't really believe that if eBay and P-B see logical well thought out posts about why the GSP is flawed that they will end the program?
There are have been thousands like that and they have dismissed every one as evidenced by the fact that the GSP is going stronger than ever.
09-11-2015 04:16 PM
"evidenced by the fact that the GSP is going stronger than ever."
You are absolutely correct.
09-11-2015 05:41 PM
sylviebee wrote:s works.
C'mon! You can't really believe that if eBay and P-B see logical well thought out posts about why the GSP is flawed that they will end the program?
No, I don't believe that. I said nothing about eBay and PitneyBowes ending the Global Shipping Program as the result of rational, meaningful feedback.
@sylviebee wrote:There are have been thousands like that . . .
Hyperbole isn't a good way of advancing your points and getting them taken seriously. Thanks for proving my point.
09-11-2015 06:17 PM
marnotom!: You keep trying to debate with me and I'm not interested in "advancing my points" or disproving yours.
I simply made some observations.
The main one is that you are very passionate about defending a program which is rarely in the best interest of Canadians. (Are you Canadian?)
09-11-2015 07:50 PM
And you seem to be very passionate about making inaccurate observations about me based on poor comprehension of my posts.
Good day.