50% UPS Brokerage fee????

kazoobers
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I bought an item that was $99.95 US. The Seller charged me $16.00 for UPS standard shipping to Canada.

The package arrived and here is a Brokerage C.O.D. due to UPS for $54.17. What a rip! The seller said nothing about additional fees due IN ADDITION to the $16.00 I paid him for the shipping. By looking under Help in eBay, I see there is nothing I can do about it.
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I bought photo stuff from China, free shipping no tax ect.....mail lady dropped it in my box. The price you see is the paid that's all!
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kazoobers
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I bought photo stuff from China, free shipping no tax ect.....mail lady dropped it in my box. The price you see is the paid that's all!



Then your photo stuff was not delivered by UPS. That's all!!
The money's the same, whether you earn it or scam it.
Bobby Heenan
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My point is that there are other options, depending on what you need.
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My point is that there are other options, depending on what you need.


Only if the seller agrees to ship via means other than UPS. I think some US sellers have contracts with UPS and they get reduced rates. They don't give a rat's patoot about extra fees encountered by the buyer. If a seller insists on using UPS (or FedEx), I look somewhere else.
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The whole problem is because UPS hides their broker fees. Most people aren't in the business of shipping and don't know about 'broker fees' until after they have been stung and UPS shows up at their door demanding a ransom for their package. The total cost of shipping should be given to you at the time of purchase so that you can decide whether you accept the costs or not before ordering. There is no excuse for not providing these costs upfront when the size weight and contents of the package are known. The vendor unless they just started business yesterday is not totally clueless either. You can be sure if they had to pay the fees they would get an accurate quote. Hiding these fees is clearly intentional. Most people if they knew the fees upfront would choose not to purchase the item and/or not have it shipped UPS.
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UPS doesn't tell the seller what the costs are upfront, either, Dale.

They'll take the position that they can't quote until they see the goods.
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car_los2
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Huhuhu! First of all I am new and inexperienced about the matter of buying Stuff on ebay from the US. Im from Canada.
Here is my story now.

I am looking for Canon Pixma Printer. Prices around here in Canada range from 220-299$. I was looking at ebay for the printer and found one for 149$ for the item 50$ thru UPS. I went on to commit and purchase the item and it was late that I found out only about the unknown brokerage fee and taxes that UPS will bill me to receive the shipment. The seller provided me with tracking number last night and I checked the status. The status said that billing info has been received so that means the item is not yet with UPS. Now what I want to happen is to cancel the transaction with the seller if it is possible. I tried to email the seller but he did not reply yet. I assume the seller does not know about the charges because he did not inform me about it and besides if he knew, he would have asked me first if i know about the charges considering that the item I'm buying is worth 200$ right?

I really feel bad right now. And I hope the seller reads my message to him on time before the UPS guys picks up the box. Is it possible to cancel the shipment even if tracking ID has already been issued. The item I believe was not yet picked up by UPS though. If only the seller can feel for me, he would cancel the shipment and refund me the money. I dont care about the negative feedback or what. Huhuhu. I just feel bad.
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The best you can do is hope that the seller sees the email before he sees the UPS guy.

You may also be able to persuade him to ship by UPS AIR. This is more expensive and not necessarily faster, but the "customs brokerage fee" is included in the shipping charge.

But not duty or sales tax.

Whether he uses UPS or USPS, you will pay GST/PST/HST on the $149. If the printer was not made in a NAFTA country, you will also pay duty. (It was probably made in Asia, but might have been made in Mexico which is in NAFTA).

Only items under $20 can be imported free of tax and duty. Those items are also free of shipper's fees.
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car_los2
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too late. the item is already in transit. I am so pissed I could just spit. I HATE UPS! I will take the hit this time and I learned my lesson. Damn you UPS. You guys are daylight robbers.
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I am not sure if this will even be read, given the number of responses already, but here goes..I'll add my two cents.

This is not the seller's fault.

In 10 years I have never been charged anything more that a tiny amount of duty and never brokerage fees, but I've been lucky.

This is what can happen when you buy out of the country. Sometimes you get hit, other times you don't.

The seller does not see a penny of this brokerage fee. Like others' said, it's up to us, the buyers, to know what the risks are when buyer certain items cross border or out of the country. The seller isn't responsible for this.

Count your blessings, not the occasional curve ball life sends you. You'll live longer. (((((((((-:
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larynxa
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Since most American companies ship via UPS Ground by default (since it's the most economical way to ship within the US), they're usually completely unaware of the gouging that happens when those UPS Ground parcels cross the border. So take the opportunity to tell them just how bad that gouging is. Once they find out, they're usually just as outraged as we are, and will use a different method to ship to Canada. At least, that's what I've found.

And now, here's a UPS horror story that actually ended well...

I just had an item with a declared value of $20 US, shipped to me by UPS Ground. UPS doesn't charge fees on shipments worth $20 or less, so I'd thought I was safe. At the time the package left the sender, our dollar was at par with the Greenback. On the day it reached the border, there was a slight blip in the rate, so the item was worth $20.03 CDN.

Those extra 3 cents pushed it into "gouge the poor schnook with obscene fees" territory. Don't believe the "Entry Preparation Fees" listed on the UPS Canada website . They sneakily list a fee of just $7 on shipments valued at $20.01-$40.00, but you have to read the fine print on the WHOLE PAGE, to discover that they also charge you a bunch of other fees on top of that.

There's a COD Fee (since the deliveryman has to collect the fees & import taxes from you) of $4.25, and a "Bond Fee" of 2.7% (minimum $5.85) "to allow the shipment to be released in advance of payment to the CBSA" (Canada Border Services Agency). So that little $7 fee has just ballooned into $17.10 +GST, and that's before adding in the import taxes (a measly $2.60).

So, to recap: My shipment incurred UPS fees of $7.00 + $4.25 + $5.85 (total: $17.10 +GST), plus import taxes (GST & PST) of $2.60, for a grand total of $21.32---on a shipment worth $20.03.


The UPS rep on the phone was wonderful. She explained the fees fully, agreeing with me completely that the total fees should be shown in the chart, and not broken down so sneakily. But she stressed that the fees were legal (as if that excused them). When I asked if there was a supervisor who could waive those fees, since they were so outrageous, she herself, as a one-time-only goodwill gesture, WAIVED THE FEES (except for the $2.60 import taxes of course) and told me how to avoid those brokerage fees in future.

1) Ship by UPS Air. UPS Air shipments NEVER incur fees. UPS Ground shipments ALWAYS incur fees.

2) Ask the seller to declare the value in Canadian dollars. Just adding "CDN" after the value on the form will do it...especially now that our dollar is pretty much at par.

3) You could tell the seller to note on the waybill that you wish to clear the item through Customs yourself, and do NOT want to use the services of UPS' brokerage. This will mean getting the paperwork from the UPS office, taking it to the CBSA office (usually right nearby), getting their stamp of approval, and taking the paperwork back to UPS, who will then release the parcel to you.

4) Of course, the best way is just never to buy anything unless the seller is willing to ship by Mail. The postage will cost more than UPS Ground, but the fees are only $5. Curiously, DHL is the one courier company that seems to be managing just fine even though it also charges only $5 in fees. So it's not like UPS and FedEx can't survive on $5 fees; they just prefer ripping Canadians off.
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Yes there's a way to get around this,ups has some services that dont get this charge just the gst on the package!,it happened to me last week i was expecting to pay the $40 brokage fee andddddd
the guy said nono you have Expedited you dont have to, and i was like really, just had to pay gst $14.00.

Rates for Customs Clearance into Canada
Entry Preparation Charges
Bond Fees

Entry Preparation Charges
UPS offers free+* routine customs clearance of UPS Worldwide Express Plus™, UPS Worldwide Express™, UPS Worldwide Express Saver™, and UPS Worldwide Expedited™. Use the chart below to calculate the customs brokerage fee for your inbound shipments.

Note: Rates do not include applicable duties or taxes.

So ill be making sure next time when ups is used im using one of these hope this helps chris.
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jerseypros
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Yes there's a way to get around this,ups has some services that dont get this charge just the gst on the package!,it happened to me last week i was expecting to pay the $40 brokage fee andddddd
the guy said nono you have Expedited you dont have to, and i was like really, just had to pay gst $14.00.

Rates for Customs Clearance into Canada
Entry Preparation Charges
Bond Fees

Entry Preparation Charges
UPS offers free+* routine customs clearance of UPS Worldwide Express Plus™, UPS Worldwide Express™, UPS Worldwide Express Saver™, and UPS Worldwide Expedited™. Use the chart below to calculate the customs brokerage fee for your inbound shipments.

Note: Rates do not include applicable duties or taxes.

So ill be making sure next time when ups is used im using one of these hope this helps chris.


and how much did this Expedited shipping cost you compared to ground delivery?
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People, there is no need to encourage everyone to use something else other than UPS ground which has pretty fast delivery and good tracking. USPS (for example) takes several weeks to deliver, has very bad tracking system (it usually does not work for me), and more expensive in general.
If you live in Canada and you have Canada customs office nearby, so you can still use advantages of UPS and not to pay any brokerage fees, only taxes (taxes are paid with any courier company, including postal services).
Recently I had well known problem. UPS forced me to pay brokerage fee as well. I was going to clear my item at local CBSA office in Brampton, but they told me that I had to drive into Windsor. Recently I got official reply from CBSA that importers can clear items at ANY Canada customs office UPS Brokerage Fees – Total Scam, Fraud, Cheating. How to avoid it
I'm not advertising here my blog. I want to share valuable information with other sellers and buyers. I think UPS grabbed enough money from customers via brokerage fees. Let's stop it!
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The customs office here is out by the airport-- a half hour by bus and a $40 cab ride for those of us who do not drive.

For those who do drive there is a minimum $12 parking lot fee. Plus gas etc.

And then there is taking time off work to get to the office and do the clearance.

I'll pay more money for the Air/Express service. It's cheaper than self-brokerage.

The minimum wage in Ontario is 16 cents a minute, by the way.
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beccajean87
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I just had the same thing happen, except the seller charged me $48.00 shipping, then my brokerage fee is $22.15. All on a $99.00 item. Not so much of a deal anymore....would have been cheaper to buy it out here.
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To be fair.

If the seller is in the USA, she may have thought she was doing you a favour.

Domestically, UPS is fast cheap insured delivery confirmed and will pick up parcels at the door.

And to the US seller, the information they get from UPS indicates that their Canadian customers will get the same sort of service.

UPS does not bother to tell the sellers about the nasty 'customs brokerage fee'.

So many US sellers are damaged by angry Canadian buyers who leave bad feedback and trashed DSRs after getting a demand for cash on the doorstep.

For what it is worth, if you ask for (and pay for) the Express/AirMail service, it will cost more , but you will not pay on the doorstep since the brokerage is built in. Well you will pay duty and tax but not brokerage.

Let your seller know about your disappointment. You may get a refund. You will certainly help the seller do better by her next Canadian customer.
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I never get anything shipped UPS if I can help it.Always ship through the mail if you can,it's the cheapest option if you don't want to pay brokerage fees to UPS.
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UPS is totally criminal. A friend in the US sold me some truck parts, and against my advise he shipped UPS. With a declared value of $100, they wanted ~$47.00 COD. I told them the fees were to high and to return to sender. They informed the sender that they need $25.00 to return the item. If you feel the fees are too high, advise the sender that the item is being returned, otherwise you may be out the value of the item, and the item will sit in a warehouse instead of going back to the seller.
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Within the USA UPS is a cheap fast and tracked method of shipping. Probably why your American friend decided to go with them.

If he had then chosen the Express shipping which is a little more expensive, the bogus "customs brokerage fee" would have been included.

Your $47.50 would be made up of about $25 for brokerage, $5-17 in PST/GST/HST depending on province, and possibly duty (unlikely auto parts would come under NAFTA).

And you mention "declared value". It is a good idea to include some proof of value with the item, or the customs clerk may decide to re-evaluate it. Not a happy thought.
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