'MPs pass motion that will help Canada Post back-to-work legislation to proceed'

[momcqueen]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4694552/canada-post-back-to-work-legislation-vote/

"The motion sets out the process by which to pass Bill C-89, the 'Postal Services Resumption and Continuation Act,' which could put postal workers back on the job..... MPs voted 173 to 13 in favour of the motion."

[ypdc_dennis]

CP talked about trailers of mail backed up.

True. However, the time estimate to clear the backlog is based on continued rotating strikes and no overtime. So stretching the truth.

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CUPW president says

* there is no backlog,

a falsehood

* the mail was moving,

true, just not very reliably

* general public not being hurt,

sort of true, the "general" public for the most part don't give a *bleep* about the post office because they never use it

* that is why they did rotating strikes.

Definite lie. CUPW has used their version of "rotating" strikes to cause Canada Post maximum financial punishment with minimal pocketbook damage to their members, the public is collateral damage.

...

If CUPW had really cared about the public they would have held regional strikes for BC, Prairies, Ontario, Quebec, Maritimes for perhaps 2 days at a time -- easy for the "public" to wrap their mind around (and perhaps support), with easy to understand delays.  Instead, CUPW aimed their strikes at creating mail backlogs, which has resulted in there now being serious doubts about how long it will take Canada Post mail to arrive.

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A CUPW bulletin for members:

see last paragraph

[momcqueen]

Well said.

It sounds as if debate on this bill and its accompanying documents could be heated.

“Not all senators were thrilled with the document. Sen. Murray Sinclair was so unimpressed that he told the Senate he was ‘a little surprised it wasn't filed to us on toilet paper, it's that useless.’”

Fun Fact: Sinclair is from Manitoba.

[muscoviteman]

"Unless those workers are driving 1,856 km to my house to pick up those products they’ve bought online from me, all the wages in the world won’t make it possible for them to purchase them during a postal strike."

It's not all about today. In the long run better wages for workers will benefit  sales here. 

Also  don't expect the backlog to clear, the workers to get cheerfully back to full production, and the public to regain confidence in prompt delivery in time for this Christmas season. 

[muscoviteman]

"Definite lie. CUPW has used their version of "rotating" strikes to cause Canada Post maximum financial punishment with minimal pocketbook damage to their members, the public is collateral damage."

A lie for sure. That is what they did and IMHO that is exactly what they should have done. It is payback for the last back to work legislation. Canad Post plays a game too...don't negotiate and the workers will be legislated back to work. Now they know there are costs to that.

[momcqueen]

“It's not all about today. In the long run better wages for workers will benefit sales here.“

It is all about today, actually.

If I can’t pay my bills today because no one is shopping online due to a postal strike, I’m not here tomorrow. I’m bankrupt.

I’m not alone in this.

Maybe you have a stable, steady job where you earn enough to feed everyone in your family but many if not most small business owners are barely scraping by.

I’m happy your situation is secure and all your needs are met even when there are postal strikes that have ruined everyone’s online sales performance at the single most critical time of the year — or made it impossible to satisfy their customers because their supplies were locked in limbo - but it would be inconsiderate to assume everyone is as fortunate.

[momcqueen]

“... It is payback for the last back to work legislation. Canad Post plays a game too...don't negotiate and the workers will be legislated back to work. Now they know there are costs to that.”

Small business and people who live in remote or rural areas, parents at Christmas, people who rely on OAS cheques were the only people ‘paying’ for it and by ‘it’ I mean rotating strikes.

Canada Post and CUPW will continue to negotiate a contract. There is no ‘winner’ here. Just continued negotiations as well there should have been. Instead of strikes that hurt everyone.

[momcqueen]

Also: let’s ask a question to which the answer seems obvious. Who suffers when a company loses money? Who, exactly, do you think is punished when a company loses money or faces losses?

Please explain.

[ypdc_dennis]

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@muscoviteman wrote:

 "Definite lie. CUPW has used their version of "rotating" strikes to cause Canada Post maximum financial punishment with minimal pocketbook damage to their members, the public is collateral damage."

A lie for sure. That is what they did and IMHO that is exactly what they should have done. It is payback for the last back to work legislation.

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The last back to work legislation was  2011 -- if CUPW has it's head stuck so far in the past then they are useless at getting a proper deal for their members.  You fix the problems of the now.

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[muscoviteman]

Yes there is collateral damage when strike action happens. That is life but is only previous labour struggles and sacrifices that have improved the lot of the lives of those on the bottom half of the economic ladder. The struggle goes on. 

As for me...I don't make enough to live comfortably. Right now I can't afford to go to the dentist. But I recognize that things are much easier for me than it was for my grandmother in 1940 who had to look after 2 children by herself when my grandfather get TB and was hospitalized for 2 years. Most of that improvement is due to pressure from the labour movement. Trudeau got my last vote but not my next one because of this legislation.

[momcqueen]

“Trudeau got my last vote but not my next one because of this legislation.”

But with this, his government has earned himself my undying loyalty. I can’t speak for the other two hundred thousand small businesses in Canada but I imagine same.

I suffered, I asked for help and they listened.

I’m not quiet, willing ‘collateral damage’ but if you like to be then power to you. There are six of us here who couldn’t afford to see a dentist even before the postal strikes began.

I’m waiting to hear your answer on precisely who suffers when a business becomes unprofitable.

[silverpinups]

But with this, his government has earned himself my undying loyalty. I can’t speak for the other two hundred thousand small businesses in Canada but I imagine same.

I suffered, I asked for help and they listened.

They did not listen.... The Trudeau Government had no choice in the matter and implemented "back to work" legislation when it was already too late. 

They simply ignored the issue until the backlash overwhelmed them and they succumbed to the pressure.

If Trudeau Government had acted in early November then I would say they had every Canadians best interest in mind.  

It's already to late for many people as the back log of mail continues to grow with a postal system already overwhelmed.  

The Trudeau Governments back to work legislation at this point is simply an afterthought and nothing more.

[mrdutch1001]

I am one of those who believe the Gov't allowed the Canada Post dispute to endure as long as possible giving both sides the opportunity to resolve their differences on their own and settle , but when it became obvious this dispute was about to go on indefinitely, the Gov't then moved to take the appropriate steps to put a stop to the dispute since it was obvious there was no resolve happening anytime soon, since the Union was saying NO to everything and was not showing any signs of compromise.

[momcqueen]

"If Trudeau Government had acted in early November then I would say they had every Canadians best interest in mind."

That would have been political suicide. In all honestly, I didn't like that it came so late but they could not have done it any sooner. This is a Liberal government, they dance neither to the tune of corporate overlords nor union overlords, they have to straddle the demands and expectations of both. 

Look to the Senate debate in the link I added earlier. The NDP senators are saying this was a d__k move and the Liberal government will rot in h__l for interfering with the unions god-given-right-to-strike; the Conservative senators are saying it was a d__k move and that the Liberal  government will rot in all h__l for waiting this long to do it. 

When my kids are fighting and neither is right, do you know how I know I picked a fair resolution to settle their argument? Allow me to tell you that I know my compromise is fair when neither are happy with it  because neither side 'got their way'. Fair means no one is 100 per cent happy, each person is only 50 per cent happy. 

[cumos55]

From the CUPW website

Rural workers will be getting pay equity money going back to January 1, 2016.

CUPW Is not happy with the back to work order.....  but it appears that negotiations may continue.... Not too sure about this continued negotiation.

CUPW and Canada Post must find a way to deal some major disability problems.

My question.... What are these workers doing when they get injured?

Back to work legislation should be the beginning of a totally new reality between CUPW and Canada Post....  working together.

[marnotom!]

"It was obvious there was no resolve happening anytime soon, since the Union was saying NO to everything and was not showing any signs of compromise."

Source?

[momcqueen]

https://calgaryherald.com/news/canada/mail-service-halted-in-ottawa-as-commons-looks-to-take-up-back...