Tax on used items? who’se crazy now?

[venturefour]

Why would you think Canadians are going to fall in line paying sales tax on a used item that already was charged tax as new. This is why I hardly used my eBay account any more. First, you demanded our SIN which I never give out, so you could report - and now you want to charge us on items that have already been charged tax - I can't imagine many people are going to bother using eBay -mif we have to,pay tax might as well get new!

[reallynicestamps]

@Anonymous 

still waiting for a seller in Quebec to actually ship the item not just register a tracking number so he gets paid and not actually ship it. 

You bought clubs and paid.

The seller bought a shipping label.

You do not believe he has shipped.

You can open an eBay Money Back Guarantee claim as Not Received, but you cannot do this until the last estimated date for delivery has passed, which could easily be two weeks from shipment.

You can open a Paypal Dispute for 180 days from payment.

Or you can start a chargeback on the credit card you used to pay.

Uploading the tracking number may help the seller, since most of these arbitors will allow the seller to defend himself.

When the tracking number shows delivery your claim fails.

If the seller cannot show delivery you are refunded.

[marnotom!]

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@venturefour wrote:

None,of this is going to the Canadian government -it's  going to fatten eBay's pockets

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That aluminium foil hat must be getting really itchy.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/businesses/topics/gst-hst-businesses/digital-ec...

https://www.budget.gc.ca/2021/report-rapport/anx6-en.html#application-of-the-gst-hst-to-e-commerce

[howiebird64]

I agree!
I've been shopping on eBay for years but my purchases are few to none these days.
I just made a deal with a seller for a used laptop because it's all the money I had. He accepted but I had to decline and cancel the purchase because when I got to my cart to pay, eBay added $37.50 in tx.
At that point, the item is no longer worth buying value wise. Not to mention, it's an almost 10 year old laptop and I have to pay tax again on it?
If I buy from an eBay store seller and not just someone selling off a few things and the item is new, I agree to pay taxes if the item is in Canada.
It's no wonder I find myself buying from China instead of local. (Sadly it's Canada's loses)
As for U.S. purchases, I refuse to buy from them. The item cost plus ridiculous shipping charges and to make it worse, an import fee. Then it goes through some "eBay" shipping that takes it all over the states on a vacation before the item finally arrives in Canada, a week longer than it should have taken.

The deals are just not there anymore and eBay now sucks.
Good to bye eBay and I'm sure you're losing buyers/sellers by the bucket full!
Nothing like cutting your nose off in spite of your face.

[mrdutch1001]

"Good to bye eBay and I'm sure you're losing buyers/sellers by the bucket full!
Nothing like cutting your nose off in spite of your face."

Sellers/buyers have been sayin' that for at least the past 12 years...yet eBay is still alive with sellers & buyers> and for every seller/buyer that leaves, more & more take their place....

and so goes the cycle of life on eBay...

[alex7687]

Mr Dutchman, I find your passion for defending the new taxation policies quite strange. You may have "adapted" to the new realities, perhaps because you're a longtime Ebay seller and sell there regularly. I'm quite certain, however, that most casual users, perhaps even a majority, are not OK with the recent changes. The fact that the taxes are paid by the buyers is of little consolation to sellers since the costs are inevitably passed on to the seller in any "best offer" negotiation. They will calculate the new taxes and offer accordingly (a lower amount). So, let's not be intellectually dishonest about how this affects sellers.

Fundamentally, the complaint is that if we were to buy/sell those used personal items locally, through Craigslist/Kijiji/FB, there would be no taxes involved for anyone, hence fairer prices for both parties. So we are now paying additional taxes for the sole privilege of paying for used personal goods via an online store, and I'm not talking of course about the Ebay seller fees. I understand that it's not Ebay's fault; they are just being treated by the gov't as any other online store.

I would also mention the ridiculous situation we now have, where if I buy an item from the US and have it shipped to the US address of a cross-border shipper (because "US shipping only"), I am now taxed TWICE for the item. The first time by Ebay, collecting US taxes, and the second time by the cross-border shipper, collecting Canadian taxes on imported goods. Isn't double taxation wonderful, Mr. Dutchman?

I might be wrong in some of my assertions, as this is something I have just learned about today, so anyone reading this can feel free to correct.

[marnotom!]

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@alex7687 wrote:

I would also mention the ridiculous situation we now have, where if I buy an item from the US and have it shipped to the US address of a cross-border shipper (because "US shipping only"), I am now taxed TWICE for the item. The first time by Ebay, collecting US taxes, and the second time by the cross-border shipper, collecting Canadian taxes on imported goods. Isn't double taxation wonderful, Mr. Dutchman?

I might be wrong in some of my assertions, as this is something I have just learned about today, so anyone reading this can feel free to correct.

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This legislation only affects goods destined for a Canadian location that are purchased from Canadian sellers.  There is no double taxation on imported goods.

[alex7687]

If Ebay charges me US taxes on an item shipped to a US address, and then my cross-border shipper receives the item and asks me to pay Canadian taxes to bring the goods over into Canada, then yes, there is double taxation. And I'm not talking about a hypothetical here; I've been in this situation and it affects anyone using forwarding services. There's no way to escape it if your only option is to ship to a US address.

[pjcdn2005]

That's why a lot of freight forwards are based in state's that do not have a state tax.  eBay is complying with the law when you have the item sent to a state with tax, they have no idea where the item is going to after that.  And then your freight forwarder complies with Canadian law to tax you when the item is sent to your province.

[reallynicestamps]

Canadians pay duty on imports from the USA if the value is over $150Cdn (~$105USD). 

Canadians pay sales taxes on imports from theUSA if the value is over $40 Cdn (~$28).

If the value of the import is under $40 there will be no import fees charged by CBSA.

Additionally, CBSA and Canada Post have an arrangement that they will ignore the applicable import fees on low value imports because it would cost the taxpayer more to have those fees collected than could be collected.

This does not apply to private couriers, so Canadians can avoid most import fees by buying only from sellers who ship through the postal system.

[brettjet38]

@reallynicestamps CBSA and Canada Post have an arrangement that they will ignore the applicable import fees on low value imports.

Do you have a link to that agreement or is this another "echo" chamber...

Facts please...

[reallynicestamps]

I used to. A vice president of Canada Post said in an article in the Globe and Mail Report on Business pre-Covid but post 2014, that 93% of the low value packages are not assessed.

She did not specify what was "low value".

And she was specifically being interviewed by name and by position. No "unauthorized sources".

I remembered it because the 93% was so precise. My memory for numbers being a sieve.

[fh991586]

Why people don't seem to understand that used goods are already taxed in Canada is beyond me...  You were lucky for years that you didn't pay it online, but now you're legally obliged to, because you use a commercial service (eBay), like if it was sold in an actual brick and mortar store.  If you don't want to pay taxes when you buy used goods, then just buy directly from private sellers.  Anything else is just plain tantrum from libertards...
If you're a seller, it doesn't concern you at all.  You didn't pay taxes before, and still won't.  But if your clients are as cheap as you regarding paying taxes when buying, then you're out of luck!

[brettjet38]

[reslover01]

Libtards? As a Coservative I agree with the this person paying tax on used items is ridiculous. You sound like a basement dwelling edgelord teen, get over yourself theres no need to act like a raging toddler.

[reallynicestamps]

ZOMBIE THREAD FROM MAY 2022

[fh991586]

What you think about what should not be taxable isn't relevant here.
Only raging toddlers don't want to pay taxes, hence the libtard adjective...

[reallynicestamps]

"Liberals" don't mind paying taxes, nor do Christian Socialists like myself. (Mark 12:17).

We recognize that taxes are what pays for the services and infrastructure that are shared by the entire community and that  in many cases are less expensive and better performed by public/government groups than by profit taking organizations.

We can ignore universal healthcare for this, look at the abject failure of PPP infrastructure projects which have one after another failed miserably and been sold back to competent public services after disastrous private management.