10-27-2013 09:36 AM
For some reason,I have been having trouble selling many of my lps on ebay,especially the expensive ones. I have noticed this has been problem from time to time over the years,but it seems to have gotten much worse in the last couple years or so. I have two very expensive lps on ebay now which I had to relist for lower prices because they didnt sell the first time I listed them. If you look at my items you will see them. One of them is the Swinging Blue Jeans -Dont Make Me Over. This is actually my third time trying this one,and as I say in the title of the listing a vg+ copy sold for $963. There is a link in that listing which shows many other copies and the prices they sold for. My copy is mint-,cover in shrink, so should easily get $1000 on the basis of what others sold for,but it has no bids yet at only $500,and not even any watchers. The other lp Conrad Benjamin has many watchers but no bidders,and that one has sold many times for $600 -$800,and it has been lowered down to $400.
Anyhow ,I cant stop thinking about why this keeps happening over and over. Is it because Im Canadian,or maybe my unconnected uder id,or maybe just the way I set up the listing including the description? I have 100% positive fb,so it obviously isnt that to blame. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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10-28-2013 10:32 AM
thanks again for all the great advice. I was too sore to type last night due to a rotator cuff injury,and too busy this morn ,and now I am on my way to get a wisdom tooth pulled ,and Im going to be late for if I dont leave right now.
10-28-2013 12:27 PM
...due to a rotator cuff injury...
Off topic, but try & have that repaired.
I post from personal experience. Trust me, the longer you wait, the worse it gets.
I required a complete rebuild.
What could have been a two inch scar turned into a six inch scar.
10-28-2013 01:25 PM - edited 10-28-2013 01:30 PM
Hi 'poco' - I understand what you're saying about computers and fonts, I was actually speaking from a marketing and advertising perspective, having spent many years in that field.
There are two schools of thought on this: either make it plain vanilla sans-serif Arial, so that everybody, no matter how old and cumbersome or how small and poor in resolution his computer is, will be able to read it, or make it beautiful and exciting, knowing you may be cutting out some people (or at least making it more difficult for them to read).
Now I was taking a look at the OP's listing text from my laptop, which is an HP with Windows 7, only a couple of years old, and I could honestly barely read it (not that my vision is great). It looked really small, virtually illegible on my laptop, and, what I thought was worse, completely dull and uninteresting as advertising copy. My apologies to the OP by the way, I don't mean to be insulting, but the actual impact of the description is another piece of the picture to consider.
I wonder, 'poco', in light of what you've said, why the text wouldn't have adjusted itself to a more normal reading size on my laptop. It looked like about 6 or 8pt, which is far too small to comfortably read on a screen. I realize that users can manually adjust the viewing size of their text, but if a buyer is browsing from one seller to another, this could get rather cumbersome. From my viewpoint however, the real problem was the unexciting and unprofessional look of the text for an item for which the OP was asking $499 (I believe that was the price?).
I would say from my own observations on eBay that many - in fact a majority -- of sellers don't appreciate that their listing descriptions are in fact advertising copy. They really, mostly, don't make use of tools that are available to give visual impact and style to their listing text. And it's really not hard to do.
I certainly would never advise using a weird or bizarre or really arcane font type (like Blackadder or some of the "script" fonts). However, Verdana and Tahoma are employed a great deal in web design -- they are sans-serif, but have a classy, stylish look that Arial just can't match. Of course to advertising and marketing people, fonts are a huge subject of interest and importance! People have made their fortunes and careers on designing new ones, and you're right, the Europeans are especially good at this.
I generally prepare my listings on my main PC, and check them on my laptop. Because I sell antique sewing patterns and other vintage items, I use "Georgia", which I admit is a bit of an arcane font, but the serif fonts are more appropriate for "antique" advertising. I prepare the text in Auctiva, using generally 14 or 16pt. I do see the font size adjustment you refer to when viewing on my laptop, but it's not drastic, perhaps a couple of points. I just think that if the OP sticks with the miniscule font he's using, he may be causing a lot of potential buyers some real problems. I certainly found it very difficult to read his description because of the tiny size, and as I said, I'm not using an older device.
From an advertiser's point of view, there is also the issue of word recognition and ambiguity using sans-serif fonts. Especially with narrow fonts like Arial and Helvetica many letters are undifferentiated and can cause confusion or difficulty in comprehension for that reason. These fonts were originally designed to maximize the use of print space (on paper) and minimize production issues (and costs), which is why Arial was such a revolutionary font and became extremely popular. They spilled over into the computer industry as a result, but neither font is known for its high legibility. For that, the book and magazine trade still prefers the serif typefaces.
To give an example, in Arial and other fonts in that family, I's look exactly like l's. (that was "I" and "l"). The font in brackets was Times New Roman, and you can see the difference between the letters. In the narrow sans-serif fonts, you can also get problems of visual run-together in very small sizes, where the word gets hard to read because the font is so plain and closely packed. These are issues marketers, advertisers, designers and print media people really grapple with, believe me! I've sat in meetings where hours were spent looking at and debating the merits of fonts.
This long-winded dissertation is probably more than anyone here ever wanted to know about font design and advertising, but it's the other side of the coin. My personal favourite font? Palatino Linotype - an elegant, flowing, calming and easily-read font that isn't too much "in your face". And yes, fonts are actually described in the trade as having personalities or characters!
So I suppose the OP has to make a choice between a completely universal font or a more stylish and impactful font that may possibly be an issue for some people. The reason I suggested 14pt is that on devices that shrink the font size (to say 12 or 10pt) it will still be comfortably readable , whereas on other devices it will look relatively normal.
I would think that most newer mobile devices and computers can handle font reading from eBay. Or perhaps eBay has managed this issue somehow? You know, I think this is my next Wednesday's question for the "Pinks"!
10-29-2013 03:58 PM
I'm late to this party.........
1 - Popsike, a useful site but the values are not always realistic, a) just because one copy sold for a high price doesn't mean another copy will, b) you don't know if the high price sale was actually ever completed.
2 - When I look up a true rare item on Popsike, I might start my listing at about half (or less) the highest price paid
3 - Check the dates on Popsike, lots of the things I look up have the highest price on an 7 - 10 year old sale while the mpore recent prices are much lower.
4 - Have patience, it can take many listings to find the right buyer willing to pay your price, this is especially true of things which are truly rare but do not have an urgency (ie: they pop up regularily).
With your Swinging Blue Jeans LP, it's a rare item but the demand must be very low, not a lot of SBJ collectors out there, even fewer with the bucks for that LP and of those I doubt that particular release is high on the "I really really must have that" list.
The other rare soul album you have up is similar, it's obscure and you are asking top dollar, takes time to get the right buyer unless your price is a "bargain".
I have a lp listed now (Ian Carr), Popsike has it listed for $300 - $500, my copy is an unusual Canadian pressing (in a UK cover), not only is the artist collectible but the label as well. I started it at $299, it may sell the first time but I'm prepared to list it at least 10 times before I would consider dropping the price any further.
The glory days for rare vinyl (late 90's) are over, collectors know that finding things in the online world is no problem, finding a good price still takes time but it's a) no longer the "you will only see this once" and b) there just isn't the same number of buyers throwing money around like there was during the dotcom bubble.
While the overall demand for vinyl is way up, the prices in general are down.
Oh yeah, being in Canada? I've never found that to be any sort of issue and given the best market for both of your records is probably the EU I doubt it would make any difference if you were a US seller.
10-29-2013 07:37 PM
thanks a lot again everyone for the great advice. Im definitely going to try using the different fonts,once I get some time to check into it. Its all greek to me right now,and it juswt seems Im either too busy with something or too sore to bother trying to learn something new. I am quite sure it will make a difference though,since so many people have mentioned it,and I am thinking it may look as though I just dont care so much about my listing by keeping it so simple and so small.
Thanks recpd for the popsike and price info,however that $963 I was refering to was this year,and the other lp had some very high selling prices recently too. I certainly hope you arent totally right about the future of vinyl though . I like to think that things can always change around,since there are more and more people collecting vinyl,and it seems like lps are getting harder and harder all the time,so something has to give at some point. I know that a lot of reords I ould only sell for $5 or $10 are going for $20 or more,so thats one good indication that all is not lost. Anyhow ,I know what you mean about there not being a lot of SBJ fans out there so that could certainly be the problem in this case. Its like maybe the other guy who bid that one up either isnt on ebay now ,or already found his copy. Hoever there were several other copies that sold for at least $500 over the years ,which werent as good as this one,so its ghard to accept that its just bad timing.
10-29-2013 07:39 PM
no I dont have a scanner,thanks for asking though
10-29-2013 08:01 PM
Honestly ,I just havent had much time or desire to work on it since I have come up with a couple more projects to work on. One is a laptop stand for using in bed,which has posts that go between the legs. The other is a sex toy with two handles,which are held kind of like handlebars on a bike . I have made only given away one so far which I gave to a Muslim lady friend of mine,and she likes hers quite a bit, so you ould say Im batting 100% so far. I will definitely be making a bunch more soon,when I get some time and money.
11-14-2013 05:41 PM
just to update,I relisted the swinging blue jeans lp without bothering changing the font ,just the title and description. Its at $290 now with a few hours to go/ I sold that Conrad Benjamon lp for $380 last week,and a jazz lp for $956 as some of you may be aware from another thread. Anyhow it will be interesting to see what it goes for,maybe it will break $1000 ,kind of hoping so,now that it has some people thinking about winning it.