
02-05-2025 01:07 PM
Stallion/Chitchats stated either one or both will allow seller pay tariffs or let the buyer pay it.
Any news on how EBay plans to handle it?
I wonder if Ebay will just stay out of handling and calculating the tariff.
02-05-2025 01:22 PM
How would Even even know if a product is made in China or not? Ebay should STAY OUT OF IT. Otherwise lots of items that shouldn't be charged tariffs will be and the seller will be the one who suffers with increased fees, lost sales or outright having to pay the tariff.
The US put the tariffs on, they can do the work and expense of sorting it out.
02-05-2025 05:37 PM
@fergua3 wrote:How would Even even know if a product is made in China or not? Ebay should STAY OUT OF IT. Otherwise lots of items that shouldn't be charged tariffs will be and the seller will be the one who suffers with increased fees, lost sales or outright having to pay the tariff.
The US put the tariffs on, they can do the work and expense of sorting it out.
Since tariffs apply to goods from a specific country, as opposed to anything and everything shipped from that country, eBay should stay out of it, as you said. I suppose there's a field for country of origin in lots of fields, so it could be disclosed.
Anyway I prefer handling my own customs paperwork and not have customers be billed on checkout.
C.
02-05-2025 08:01 PM
There is already a field for Country of Origin and HS Code on ebay listing. I am not using the form, but the fields are available in the CSV if you upload in bulk. So that's how ebay would know it.
Once I enter the HS Code and country of origin, Ebay would be in the position to determine the duties rate if they wanted.
Otherwise US buyer will be slapped with 10-30% tax (some buyer may not be aware, good luck emailing them after sale asking if they still want to proceed with purchase), or I would need to swallow that as the seller (good luck making any money after that at all).
So without me getting the duties shown in Ebay, I would need to maintain 2 prices, one for US buyer and one for CA buyer (conversion taken into consideration).
That means uploading listings to US and CA ebay site and separating shipping policies so that they don't invertwine, otherwise I would get listings and account strikes from Ebay if listings are double.
And given that I can't upload new listings templates with shipping policies included, this means lots of manual work.
THat's why there would be a good reason for Ebay to show the duties if I decide buyer pays them on checkout.
Duties will be then remitted by EBay to IRS once the shipment is received by buyer (Tracking shows item received).
02-05-2025 08:03 PM
I find how European system works with IOSS is quite good. No surprises.
02-05-2025 08:24 PM
@fergua3 wrote:How would Even even know if a product is made in China or not? Ebay should STAY OUT OF IT. Otherwise lots of items that shouldn't be charged tariffs will be and the seller will be the one who suffers with increased fees, lost sales or outright having to pay the tariff.
The US put the tariffs on, they can do the work and expense of sorting it out.
I agree 100% except the last part of the US doing the work, they are incapable, Trumps goal is to stop all foreign imports and at the same time create never ending chaos. I've been watching US media all afternoon, the topic of tariffs is pretty much completely gone, they have moved on to invading Gaza and firing Federal Employees, closing departments like education, foreign aid and outing CIA employees. Hard to tell who is running the country, is it Trump or Elon or Stephen Miller lurking in the underworld.
The only way eBay could handle this is to establish something like eBay International Shipping (EIS), just think "great" that would be!
You could pay to ship your package from Regina (just an example) to a depot in Toronto, there they would slap on an expensive shipping charge and add the duties if any and send it off to the buyer.
The end result is a package you could send direct via CP for +/-$10 will be costing the buyer $20 - $25. Most Canadian buyers who are on the recieving end of EIS are none too happy, happy the item is actually available to a Canadian but definitely not happy about the additional costs and extended delivery times of a two stop service like EIS.
02-05-2025 08:26 PM
@itolduandso wrote:I find how European system works with IOSS is quite good. No surprises.
IOSS is different becaue it only collects VAT, country of origin is not relevant as the rate applies to (amost) all goods from all countries.
02-05-2025 08:45 PM
@itolduandso wrote:There is already a field for Country of Origin and HS Code on ebay listing. I am not using the form, but the fields are available in the CSV if you upload in bulk. So that's how ebay would know it.
eBay would know what sellers put in those fields....do you really think eBay would be able to simply accept what is inputted? I'm sure you know that many sellers will fill in false information.
eBay needs to stay out of stuff they really don't understand, they have demonstrated their lack of skills in the field of international logistics over and over. The old GSP and now the EIS programs are so inefficient, it was only through the excessive mark ups they earn and the desperate need to have US sellers offer goods internationally that make them viable to eBay.
02-05-2025 08:58 PM
@recped wrote:
@itolduandso wrote:There is already a field for Country of Origin and HS Code on ebay listing. I am not using the form, but the fields are available in the CSV if you upload in bulk. So that's how ebay would know it.
eBay would know what sellers put in those fields....do you really think eBay would be able to simply accept what is inputted? I'm sure you know that many sellers will fill in false information.
What would likely happen is if you put in wrong info, the shipping company would charge eBay and they would charge the seller for the difference. It's the same thing that happens if you put in the wrong dimensions or weight.
02-05-2025 10:58 PM
If a customs broker submits a customs entry based on the information they were provided a seller/Stallion that is not accurate they would soon find that the customs broker no longer wants their business.
The customs broker, if they supply false information to US Customs they can face a) penalties, b) increased examination of the shipments they process, c) temporary suspensions of their brokerage license and finally d) permanent revoke of their brokerage privileges.
I spent enough time at Customs offices to see plenty of people feel the effects of thinking they could lie to customs and get away with it.
No company like Stallion or Chit Chats wants to put their entire business at risk because a few of their clients cannot be trusted to provide accurate information.
02-05-2025 11:39 PM
I can't see eBay wanting to become expert at HS codes and tariff application. What they need to ensure is that the labels they sell have areas to provide the HS code and Country of Origin. Which @itolduandso indicated it does.
If eBay wanted to go a step further, it could not allow a label to be purchased unless those fields were completed. I actually think that would be a very good thing in order to ensure timely delivery of items purchased on eBay. There are a lot of seller's out there who do not read forums like this and will just assume that the tariffs in China have no impact on them.
Of course if eBay requires completion of HS and COO fields expect to see ALL CAP posts in the forum screaming about the new burden eBay is putting on sellers. 😁
02-06-2025 04:14 AM
Of course, it's always eBay's fault!
02-06-2025 05:01 PM
@recped wrote:The only way eBay could handle this is to establish something like eBay International Shipping (EIS), just think "great" that would be!
Ebay handles EU VAT and UK VAT payments, collects the money and once package arrives in the port of entry in EU or UK, ebay releases the payment (or what mechanism they have) to EU or UK customs. It's fabulous.
No Ebay global overprised shipping needed. Just charge duties on behalf of US customs. That would make it easier for US customs actually with much less paperwork than the one that will be needed now.
02-06-2025 05:07 PM
Little difference between putting false information in Ebay and false information into Stallion. In both cases it's clear right there on the website: Putting false information about country of origin leads to high penalties.
02-06-2025 05:12 PM
@recped wrote:
No company like Stallion or Chit Chats wants to put their entire business at risk because a few of their clients cannot be trusted to provide accurate information.
Well, but isn't this what they are planning to do? They said they are working on solution to charge me the duties upfront as a seller. So I end up paying smaller amount because I put wrong HSCode in there, well, that's where I get charged. If I say product is made in Spain, and they don't like it, they will probably hold on it and ask me some proof. Stallion doesn't want me to send them emails about every shipment showing them screenshot from some website. But US Customs may ask about it. JUst today I have contacted a conmpany in Spain to confirm their product is made in Spain because there is nothing on their website and nothing on the product. They emailed me back and confirmed it's made in Spain. So I will need to keep the email as a proof just in case.