Deminimus IS going down on Tuesday

[fergua3]

Still no official details on what level it is going to be at or whether it is going to be set at zero.  But it is going to change and probably drop significantly as of Tuesday.

Seems like our lives are all about to change substantially.  Not talking about our Ebay lives, i'm talking about our Canadian lives.  If you read the official statements coming from the White House, Canada has now been classified as a threat to the national security of the US.   If we retaliate to the tariffs coming on Tuesday, additional tariffs will be levied on Canada by Trump (this may not matter much because apparently the 25% coming on Tuesday will pretty much shut down all industry doing business with the US).

[intimewithmusic]

@fergua3 

Can you please post where your information comes from? The report I read from the CBP (US Customs & border Protection)  that was just published 3 days ago states the deadline for public input is March 24. 

The CDP is asking the US public for input. Its looking like they are suggesting $100 as a package threshold and $200 for a tourist travel threshold.------

This is my source: https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2025/01/cbp-proposes-to-modify-the-de-minimis-exempti... 

"CBP invites public comments on the proposed rulemakings. Interested parties can submit their comments via the Federal eRulemaking Portal by March 17, 2025, for the Jan. 14 NPRM and by March 24, 2025, for the Jan. 21 NPRM."/ .---- ":For the Jan. 21 NPRM, in addition to comments on the provisions discussed above, CBP is also requesting comments on whether these provisions should be extended to bona fide gifts valued at $100 or less sent from persons in foreign countries to persons in the U.S. and/or certain personal or household articles valued at $200 or less accompanying persons arriving in the U.S. "/----

[blueberrysparkle]

I think this has simply not be clarified, so lets stay calm and not provide unverified information at this moment.

[intimewithmusic]

The only thing verified is that Trump went golfing today.

[wilsonharborsales]

This poster is unfortunately correct.  In the White House handout to the press, it is stated that the de minimis has been fully revoked.  Not sure if this is enacted on Tuesday, because there is talk that it will take until March for it to be fully implemented.  However, the de minimis has been fully revoked by the Trump administration.

[wilsonharborsales]

"4.  No de minimis exemption for packages under $800" - Directly from the White House press hand out.

[intimewithmusic]

Please post the link to your source: 

thanks

[wilsonharborsales]

https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-readies-order-steep-tariffs-goods-mexico-canada-china-2025-02...

About 3/4 of the way down the article.  Monday's packages will be the last will be able to clear the border.

[intimewithmusic]

@wilsonharborsales 

Some of Trump's "Orders" have already been thrown out.  Some are entering legal battles. 

This is because he does what he wants without authority. Example : Funding Retraction:  Thrown Out.

It would be great if posters would disclose links to the source of their information so we can follow up and see if Trump has authority. 

De Minimus has been part of the trade laws for a very long time. Do you know that Trump has the authority to make De Minimus go away in 48 hours? According to the CBP they need public input.

[wilsonharborsales]

Please read the article.  The White House announced this only an hour ago.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@fergua3 wrote:

Still no official details on what level it is going to be at or whether it is going to be set at zero.  But it is going to change and probably drop significantly as of Tuesday.

Seems like our lives are all about to change substantially.  Not talking about our Ebay lives, i'm talking about our Canadian lives.  If you read the official statements coming from the White House, Canada has now been classified as a threat to the national security of the US.   If we retaliate to the tariffs coming on Tuesday, additional tariffs will be levied on Canada by Trump (this may not matter much because apparently the 25% coming on Tuesday will pretty much shut down all industry doing business with the US).

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There have been news reports already about BC suppliers having orders from US customers cancelled. Probably not the only province where that is happening. 

[intimewithmusic]

Thank you for passing that link on. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this what you saw? This is what I found on the Reuters page;

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"The White House officials said there would be no exclusions from the tariffs. Moreover, in the case of Canada specifically, they said the "de minimis" U.S. tariff exemption for small shipments under $800 would be canceled.

Trump, who golfed at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida on Saturday before signing the order, was not scheduled to speak to reporters about the tariffs.

Trump set the Feb. 1 deadline to press for strong action to halt the flow of the opiate fentanyl and precursor chemicals into the U.S. from China via Mexico and Canada, as well as to stop illegal immigrants crossing U.S. borders. "

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   To me, this sounds like grumpy Trumpy bluster. I couldn't find his order. Reuters site is a dogs breakfast of ads.  How is he going to remove the De Minimus exclusively from Canada? I think that would require a completely seperate set of trade rules.  t

The De Minimus also covers travelers at airports and all points of entry. Does he plan to single out and apply tariffs and duty to just the Canadians? Is that even possible?

If he gets away with shutting down De Minimus on Tuesday (according to your post) and"specifically in Canada" as stated by Reuters, in effect he is shutting down eBay Canada and possibly all platforms with sellers in Canada shipping to the USA.  Complete shutdown because it would take months and months to sort out the mess. 

Maybe when Trudeau goes live at 5:30PST he will clarify. We should probably have a glass of Okanagan wine at the ready....

[wilsonharborsales]

I would imagine that everything shipped will require an HS code which will have a tariff applied based on the value of the merchandise.  This will also cause package backlogs at the border.  This is essentially a Value Added Tax and will be applied in a similar fashion to VAT taxes in Europe.  eBay will likely send something out Monday to it's sellers.

This is especially painful for me.  I've put my blood, sweat and tears into my business.  It is a full-time operation.  Never ever in my life did I ever see something like this coming down the pipe.

 @valueaddedresource any news from the Shopify, eBay, Poshmark, etc? 

[sin-n-dex]

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@wilsonharborsales wrote:

I would imagine that everything shipped will require an HS code which will have a tariff applied based on the value of the merchandise.  This will also cause package backlogs at the border.  This is essentially a Value Added Tax and will be applied in a similar fashion to VAT taxes in Europe.  eBay will likely send something out Monday to it's sellers.

This is especially painful for me.  I've put my blood, sweat and tears into my business.  It is a full-time operation.  Never ever in my life did I ever see something like this coming down the pipe.

 @valueaddedresource any news from the Shopify, eBay, Poshmark, etc? 

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I completely understand how you feel. Although eBay is not a full time thing for me, it's become a very important part of my life over the last 12 years. I never expected someone coming into power that would ruin the hard work I've put in over the years to build my business, and in a short time it's going to fail.

I've been particularly depressed all day with myself glued to the computer to read news updates and posts in the forum. I keep trying to tell myself not to worry yet because it's not quite clear what's going to happen, but it's become clear over the day and I have had to put my store on time away because I can't handle the anxiety of not knowing what's going to happen next.

C.

[intimewithmusic]

Yes, exactly @wilsonharborsales &  @sin-n-dex    I started in retail in 1981 still dabbling and  I feel for you. I know how much work, time and money you've invested.  There is a great group of sellers here. some are new and some have been around since the 90s. It's nice to see everyone come together. As you point out selling on eBay takes a lot of work and none of us need  a buffoon gumming up the machine.

There's been enough speculation. I don't think you will go down with the ship.  For every Trump action there's a reaction. The economies of three countries won't be snuffed by one man who spent the day on the golf course.

We'll get the Canadian war room side at 5:30 PT today. Tomorrow Trump will respond with a hissyfit. We will all know how ro react. One thing I would suggest in the meantime is to look into listing on eBay sites that are not affected like eBay UK, eBay Germany and eBay Australia.  I would think it's going to be easier to accomodate the packaging and other rules than tariffs and zero deminimus.

  During my experience on eBay I've never had any problem shipping to Europe or Australia other than high shipping costs. The collectors don't mind paying the shipping for valued collectibles. Maybe even better if they know they will get priority over the US. 

   No way could any seller's platform in Canada especially eBay get retooled in time if Trump expects zero De Minimus and his 25 % "Trump Dough" by Tuesday.   We're all in the same boat.    @sin-n-dex  ,  and other  sellers dependant on the US buyers, it's important to remember if your Top Rated Seller discount is based on US sales it might be in jeaopardy if you put your store on vacation causing unecessary lost interim US sales.

  Hopefully after we hear Canada's plan and have confirmed the United States' plan we will also hear from eBay Canada. They could never retool by Tuesday.  Hopefully they provide some guidance to Canadian eBay sellers other than "Updates to eBay shipping Supply Coupons". 

[wilsonharborsales]

I am there with you C. and I think every other Canadian business owner on eBay is feeling this.  I am absolutely sick to my stomach.

[byto253]

Makes no sense Deminimus is Canada only, the reason it became an issue was China.

[backpacktreasures]

There is a place on the US govt website to read the text of executive orders. The executive orders for the tariffs have not been published yet. That is where I will be getting my information. Here is the link. I do not know how long it takes to publish them. 

And yes, there are many actions being taken that are being legally challenged.

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/donald-trump/2025

[intimewithmusic]

@backpacktreasures Thank you for posting a reliable source. I'm not going there until after the "War Room" broadcast in a few minutes.

There's also a place for existing US Federal Rules of Law.  Trump is something and the Status Quo is something different.

I shouldn't point fingers but Temu caused De Minimus to go under a microscope last year not Trump.  Biden's careful defence against Temu's exploitation of De Minimus was nearly implemented. It's unfortunate that Trump has weaponized De Minimus against Canada.

  I know Trudeau isn't "Mr. Popular" but compared to Donny he's got great hair! 

for those of you who would like the link Canada's response starts NOW 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92rutFiIWAM&ab_channel=GlobalNews 

[fergua3]

haven't had time to read this whole thread so i don't know how the conversation has evolved but on CBC they read the comunique that the Whitehouse sent to the Canadian Gov't.  In it deminimus was specifically mentioned twice as being 'eliminated'.....whatever that means.   It was stated that Trump is concerned about fentynal coming in to the US from Canadian packages.

Makes no sense of course but deminimus was mentioned.  There was very little elaboration on CBC because relative to what's going on, deminimus being elimanated is of really minor significance.   The rhetoric coming from Republicans in the US directed towards Canada is getting increasingly hostile and threatening, including the Governor of Texas threatening Canada directly what will happen to us if we retaliate for the tariffs.