Ebay gets serious about buyer fraud

hlmacdon
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I have encountered a buyer who made a new account to buy from me because he was blocked due to having too many unpaid items strike. He paid so I simply shipped and it went okay. I haven’t had a user who I blocked by username tried to buy with a new account.
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@zee-chan-jpn-bookswrote:
I have encountered a buyer who made a new account to buy from me because he was blocked due to having too many unpaid items strike. He paid so I simply shipped and it went okay. I haven’t had a user who I blocked by username tried to buy with a new account.

That is a bit of a different situation than where the real core concern is, which is straight up fraud. I sell in a niche where retailers both on and outside of ebay are in frequent communication regarding well known con artists within the niche. Case in point there is one particular individual who was using stolen credit cards that generated something on the order of 20-30 unauthorized payment claims with paypal across several sellers and several user accounts in Q3. Now with this particular individual I (and several other sellers) went through the entire process of reporting the buyer as well as getting escalated to eBay's department that specifically deals with fraudulent payment and they did absolutely nothing, their accounts remain active till today after thousands of dollars of fraud. Go ahead and ship, we have your back! Except when it comes to reimbursing us for fraud they help facilitate. 

 

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I see, that makes sense.
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There was some serious misunderstanding in the thread that is the source of that discussion.

 

Bottom line was that eBay feels that if a buyer goes around a seller's block and does nothing other than buy and pay causing zero grief for the seller then sellers shouldn't get all huffy about buyers going around the block and eBay won't sanction the buyer in any way.

 

Given the crazy reasons buyers get added to BBL's I'm with eBay on this one.

 

 



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I'm of two minds on this. Yes, some sellers require little provocation to blocking a buyer which is undoubtable unnecessary in many cases. But how is a seller supposed to determine whether an already-blocked buyer intends to commit fraud (perhaps again) when he creates a new account and places another order? That requires the luxury of hindsight. Most ebay sellers don't have bottomless, deep pockets, so they cannot afford to be generous in forecasting the intent of a once-blocked buyer when they're a twice-shy seller. 

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Also, while I was digging through other dusty sections of the Help pages, I found this link:

 

http://pages.ebay.ca/help/policies/unwelcome-buying.html

 

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Personally I think the ability to block buyers is part of my right as a seller.

 

Pre internet/ebay days, when everything was done through mailorder or in person, I could "block" a person by:

-no longer sending my pricelists to them

-telling them I couldn't help them anymore (ie return the uncashed cheque etc)

-if in a B&M ban them (I've never had a B&M but I know fellow B&M storeowners who banned buyers from their store, and for good reason)

 

The reasons I block buyers online are based on risk and cost:

-items lost to a location

-too much work/time/cost to sell an item (lots of questions, issues before or after etc)

-unreasonable demands or issues with the transaction

 

Certainly I'm sure some folks over-react but I am glad to have the ability to block buyers.

 

With respect to the main topic, I have "caught" bad blocked buyers purchasing from me via new id's over the course of years (ie they come back once or so each year with a new id, name etc). I have ways of being able to catch this.

 

In the situations where I called eBay for help, the CSRs were very helpful and generally (see 2nd aside below) fixed the problem for me with no defects or whatever was the risk at that time. I do know that they were aware of the linkage between the ids and the problems.

 

As extra asides:

-in one case I realized that perhaps whilst I blamed the buyer for the issues, it was quite possible that it was someone in the postal system that knew what stuff was safe to steal from that particular buyer. I will never know.

-in another case, when the bad buyer came back and purchased another $500 item the ebay CSR and PAYPAL wanted me to go ahead and ship again. I really thought that was stupid, but I sent it in a way that I was covered (this was a failed transaction covered by PAYPAL kind of loss) and darned if it didn't go through ok!!!

 

 

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Just as everyone's threshold for pain is different, how fast and why buyers get on our Bbl is personal. Ebay saying we must allow shoplifters, scammers, fraudsters, pita buyers back if they behave, why didn't those buyers behave before.

 

My list is very short, every one of them deserve to be there, as they have not behaved. Some of them are gone, thank you very much(Karma).

 

There is a saying about fooling me once, then twice, most of you already know it. Obviously, ebay does not.

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Given the crazy reasons buyers get added to BBL's I'm with eBay on this one.

 

But BBLs are personal.

You may never have a problem with someone on my List and that he is on my List would not show you any red flags.

Sometimes the problem is completely personal-- ohhhh- like an enraged stalker  trying to destroy a former lover.

 

There was an episode of 30Rock in which Liz got annoyed by the ultrafemininity of a new writer and doxxed her, only to learn that the woman had changed her identity to escape from a violent ex. 

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A good example is a buyer I had that was blacklisted for non-payment by auction houses I believe.

 

This was a very good buyer (they bought many 1000s of dollars from me over many years, likely one of if not my best buyer for a while!) EXCEPT one never knew when they would pay. It could be a few days, a few weeks, a few months even a year, but they always eventually paid. Patience was very very much required with this buyer.

 

If I had avoided them because of their blacklisting I would have missed all those sales! Having said this, if I had them approach me when I knew they were blacklisted, I probably wouldn't have sent them stuff, so that's something for me to keep in mind too...

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than its come your Canada post account if this is repeat customer will show in autofill  . I enjoy this option to see that i have repeating happy customers .You should try it .Its very good and protect you .

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The autofill is a Canada Post feature for addresses within Canada as well as certain other international destinations, not a function of having repeat buyers. It’s called AdComplete or something similar. Or AdFill. I’ll check later when I’m at my desk.
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@momcqueenwrote:
The autofill is a Canada Post feature for addresses within Canada as well as certain other international destinations, not a function of having repeat buyers. It’s called AdComplete or something similar. Or AdFill. I’ll check later when I’m at my desk.

AddressComplete

 

Here is a link to the free version for Canada in the Postal Code lookup page below on the Canada Post website.

 

https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/personal/postalcode/fpc.jsf

 

If you use the Canada Post online customs form below, you get to use AddressComplete for the From address in Canada and the To address outside Canada.

 

https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/cdc?execution=e1s1

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Thank you! That’s exactly what we wanted to see, pocomo.
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