Expedited Lite for Canadian Sellers using eBay Labels

This just showed up hot off the presses.

 

https://www.ebay.ca/sellercentre/shipping/ebay-labels/canada-post-expedited-lite?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&ems...

 

Only available on eBay Labels: Ship small. Save big.

 

Package specifications

 

Ship with an envelope or a small parcel that meets the following criteria:

 

  • Weighs no more than 200 grams

  • No one dimension exceeds 41 cm (16.1”)

  • Maximum volume (L x W x H) of up to 3,220 cubic centimeters

 

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YAYYYYYY!!!!!

-Lotz

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@regs43 wrote:

I printed my first label, it also shows 5x5x5 when I had put in 20x24x4 as my actual dimensions (note, putting in 20x24x10 would cost 10 cents more, I was playing around with it for fun)


The 20x24x10 is interesting, given it's larger than the allowed dimensions. I wonder what would have happened?

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@flipistics wrote:

@regs43 wrote:

I printed my first label, it also shows 5x5x5 when I had put in 20x24x4 as my actual dimensions (note, putting in 20x24x10 would cost 10 cents more, I was playing around with it for fun)


The 20x24x10 is interesting, given it's larger than the allowed dimensions. I wonder what would have happened?


I tried recreating that one again just now on a different customers order (never printed a label) but I cant get it to do anything similar. I thought it was a bit odd also! On any other tests I have done when you put anything over the 3220 limit for LXWXH it shoots it up to a regular parcel rate. 0-199grams also seems to keep the price at the same rate, doesnt seem to be any different if you change the weight, just a base price for the whole weight range.

 

Might have been a glitch, this is ebay so who knows!

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"According to the Shippo screen they still have not been able to update their system to provide eBay sellers with a matching Level 4 discount. (For eBay sellers to have access to that there would need to be a unique CP account created that we could link to.) The rate for the same parcel with Shippo(Level 1) still stands at $20.49 so a major savings with Expedited Lite."

 

-Lotz


I too noticed Shippo rates have not changed since the new promos which seem to be strictly if you use eBay labels.

For tracked package USA (over 200 grams) I've continued using Shippo since the difference is only a few cents (for me anyways - I think they have a deal with USPS that combined with my Level 3 is still pretty good). But for shipments within Canada I've used eBay labels as savings have been at least a few dollars depending where they were going with this Level 4 promo. I haven't had opportunity to try Expedited Lite yet but will when I do up my next group of "lite" listings in about a week when I return.

Thanks again for the updates, there's always comfort in knowing ahead what to expect!

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Will prices change on daily basis depending on gaz price? And how they define fuel surcharge?

 

I said a few days ago a shipment QC to ON was $7.86. I now have a exact same size package, QC to AB, which is way more far, label is $7.46

 

I'm confused. 

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Here's information on how the fuel surcharge is calculated:

 

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/kb/sending/rates-dimensions/fuel-surcharges-on...

 

If the price you're seeing includes tax, as people have suggested, the 13% to Ontario vs the 5% to Alberta is probably the difference.

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@rocketscollectibles wrote:

Will prices change on daily basis depending on gaz price? And how they define fuel surcharge?

 

I said a few days ago a shipment QC to ON was $7.86. I now have a exact same size package, QC to AB, which is way more far, label is $7.46

 

I'm confused. 


Currently the Fuel Surcharge is recalculated weekly (since last September), prior to that is was (I think) bi-weekly and going back a few years I think it was monthly

 

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/kb/sending/rates-dimensions/fuel-surcharges-on...

 



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@recped wrote:

@rocketscollectibles wrote:

Will prices change on daily basis depending on gaz price? And how they define fuel surcharge?

 

I said a few days ago a shipment QC to ON was $7.86. I now have a exact same size package, QC to AB, which is way more far, label is $7.46

 

I'm confused. 


Currently the Fuel Surcharge is recalculated weekly (since last September), prior to that is was (I think) bi-weekly and going back a few years I think it was monthly

 

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/kb/sending/rates-dimensions/fuel-surcharges-on...

 


@rocketscollectibles 

 

One other thing to consider for shipments to AB there is only 5% gst. Some kind of rate tool is definitely required.

 

-Lotz

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When i purchase a label, it's a flat price. Are you guys saying there is hidden taxes included in this amount? And that if my buyer paid $100, he paid taxes on shipping, then i pay taxes on shipping a second time? I don't understand too why would it be charged from the buyer's province. He already paid his taxes. I'm the one buying and i'm located into QC. I'm just more confused. Really thought it was a fuel surcharge price change that could have affected the price. 

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@rocketscollectibles wrote:

When i purchase a label, it's a flat price. Are you guys saying there is hidden taxes included in this amount? And that if my buyer paid $100, he paid taxes on shipping, then i pay taxes on shipping a second time? I don't understand too why would it be charged from the buyer's province. He already paid his taxes. I'm the one buying and i'm located into QC. I'm just more confused. Really thought it was a fuel surcharge price change that could have affected the price. 


Yes ALL postage in Canada has tax on it.

If you buy a 10 pack stamp booklet at the post office there is tax on top of that.

10xP stams is 10x0.92 $9.20 + TAX . Its 5%GST for most provinces, but Ontario is an HST province (13%) and atlantic provinces are HST (15%). So you will pay either $9.20 +5%/13%/15% depending where the stamp booklet is bought! so if bought in Alberta or any other GST province its - $9.66 Ontatio its - $10.40 and in Atlantic provinces its $10.58

 

When you create a label online OR at the post office, the destination province is used for the TAX. so if you mail an item to albert from anywhere in Canada you pay 5% tax. Likewise if you are mailing an item to Ontario as the destination for the parcel 13% tax is paid on that shipment

 

This is why myself and others NEED a recipt with the break down of this information as I am a registered business and need to have the amount of tax paid so I can claim it at tax time.

 

When you buy a label online with Canada post snap ship or at the post office the recipt has the breakdown of all the charges, Base pirce (inclusive of fuel %) and tax on a seperate line.

 

Ebay just has it all jumbled into one final amount, which works for USA since they don't have tax on postage and I am sure their ebay labels system is based on coding for USA!

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@rocketscollectibles wrote:

When i purchase a label, it's a flat price. Are you guys saying there is hidden taxes included in this amount? And that if my buyer paid $100, he paid taxes on shipping, then i pay taxes on shipping a second time? I don't understand too why would it be charged from the buyer's province. He already paid his taxes. I'm the one buying and i'm located into QC. I'm just more confused. Really thought it was a fuel surcharge price change that could have affected the price. 


@rocketscollectibles 

 

This is an example of a Shippo receipt for a shipment to Ontario. You would get something similar with CP labels. Ebay labels does not give you any kind of itemized receipt. As a btw for this with Shippo you can see the complete charge break down before you print...including taxes and discount. That information mostly poofs when it prints the label as you can see by the example.

 

The tax you are paying to ebay is based on the total transaction as ebay seller fees .

 

-Lotz

 

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This is still awful that if i sell something $90 + $10 shipping, buyer pay taxes on the $10 shipping. Then i purchase the $10 label, and i'm charged taxes on that, to the buyer's province. I understand if i go to the office as the sales are not tracked, but here eBay clearly knows we paid taxes twice on the same amount. The label should be considered to be sold to the buyer, instead of being considered sold to seller, then resold to buyer. And the fact they charge taxes to seller based on buyer's province, instead here to give the taxes to quebec, coming from a quebec resident, buying in quebec, proves that they consider the purchase of the label coming from the buyer. No wonder why they hide the amount, we're actually scammed. The buyer's province receive twice the taxes for a single purchase. Seller gets charged taxes for something that taxes have already been paid for.  

 

Anyway i purchased one label today for the first time. If it wasnt said previously. The label is a standard expedited parcel label, nothing different. 

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I could definitely use this service for shipping small jewelry pieces.  I have to use registered mail which now cost around $16.00. Why only in collectibles category.  Its no wonder not selling much through ebay. Most sales come from marketplace where I can ship for the cost of large envelope for $2.00.  This is useless for a lot of sellers. Looks good for them I guess.   

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@rocketscollectibles wrote:

This is still awful that if i sell something $90 + $10 shipping, buyer pay taxes on the $10 shipping. Then i purchase the $10 label, and i'm charged taxes on that, to the buyer's province. I understand if i go to the office as the sales are not tracked, but here eBay clearly knows we paid taxes twice on the same amount. The label should be considered to be sold to the buyer, instead of being considered sold to seller, then resold to buyer. And the fact they charge taxes to seller based on buyer's province, instead here to give the taxes to quebec, coming from a quebec resident, buying in quebec, proves that they consider the purchase of the label coming from the buyer. No wonder why they hide the amount, we're actually scammed. The buyer's province receive twice the taxes for a single purchase. Seller gets charged taxes for something that taxes have already been paid for.  

 

Anyway i purchased one label today for the first time. If it wasnt said previously. The label is a standard expedited parcel label, nothing different. 


NOT A TAX PROFESSIONAL just trying to give a simple way to unerstand how it works

 

No your not being scammed, this is how taxation works in Canada. ebay is just not giving itemized reciepts like they should be which is the concerning issue with their label system.

 

If you were  registed bussiness with a GST/HST number you would be able to get the tax you paid on shipping BACK from the government. At tax time you file GST/HST paid and colellcted and based on the 2 amounts you either owe more money or get money back

 

Taxation in Canada is meant for the END buyer to pay the tax, and all the people selling along they way get the tax they paid back, in simple terms.

 

1. Distributor sells and item to you and collects $5.00 tax from you. Distributor files taxes end of the year and SENDS that $5.00 tax that you paid them to the CRA

 

2. You sell the item again on ebay, you collect tax for the same item but this time you collect $10.00 tax from the ebay buyer as you sold the item for a higher price. ebay collects this $10.00 on your behalf and send it to the government. At tax time IF you were a registered business you would then claim the $5.00 tax you paid to the distributor and would get a refund for the $5.00, meaning you never paid tax on that item to sell it as you got a refund for the $5.00

 

3 In the end the government ends up with $10 from the END user (your ebay buyer) as you got the $5.00 back from the government that the distributor sent them. Its a bit of a roundabout process but it does work out in the end that only your ebay buyer paid the tax.

 

The same works for shipping and the tax, if you were a business ou could claim the tax from shipping.

 

Becasue you are not a registered business yes you are paying taxes again  but you could be getting them back if you registered as a bussiness which you can do at anytime but must do if you sell more then 30K gross annually

 

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@luv4orphans wrote:

I could definitely use this service for shipping small jewelry pieces.  I have to use registered mail which now cost around $16.00. Why only in collectibles category.  Its no wonder not selling much through ebay. Most sales come from marketplace where I can ship for the cost of large envelope for $2.00.  This is useless for a lot of sellers. Looks good for them I guess.   


If you can ship on marketplace for $2.00 why can't you on ebay? There is no rule on ebay that you have to track anything, its just a protection in case someone says the item has not arrived. I usually ship up to about $75 not tracked in Canada, unless I get weird vibes from a buyer then I might upgrade to some sort of tracking.

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Becasue you are not a registered business yes you are paying taxes again  but you could be getting them back if you registered as a bussiness which you can do at anytime but must do if you sell more then 30K gross annually

 

Well exactly. I do not sell $30k so i'm not registered. I'm not refund.

 

In facts the buyer and i pay taxes twice for a single label. 

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eBay needs to do a better job promoting this service. It's been a week and i still see a high percentage of sellers offering expedited $22.00 shipping for trading cards. On the other hand today someone decided to ship me a $200.00 order by lettermail. A lot of people still doesnt seems to know they can ship tracked for under $10 now. 

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@rocketscollectibles wrote:

eBay needs to do a better job promoting this service. It's been a week and i still see a high percentage of sellers offering expedited $22.00 shipping for trading cards. On the other hand today someone decided to ship me a $200.00 order by lettermail. A lot of people still doesnt seems to know they can ship tracked for under $10 now. 



@rocketscollectibles wrote:

eBay needs to do a better job promoting this service. It's been a week and i still see a high percentage of sellers offering expedited $22.00 shipping for trading cards. On the other hand today someone decided to ship me a $200.00 order by lettermail. A lot of people still doesnt seems to know they can ship tracked for under $10 now. 


@rocketscollectibles 

Before they rolled it out they forgot a few things.

  1. Adding to calculator
  2. Adding it as an available shipping option
  3. Giving us a system to pre-calculate rates for anywhere in Canada
  4. And as you noted. Promoting properly as a feature. 
  5. As for adding to currently running listings...Bulk edit???????? Very dangerous from my random attempts to use it.

It's similar to what we don't have for anyone who wants to offer Fedex.

 

-Lotz

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Hi @lotzofuniquegoodies 

 Don't get your hopes up folks... don't count your chickens before... etc etc.

 

  This "feature" is a BUST. You can't ship anything larger than a CD. A magazine? Nope. A VHS tape? Nope. You can't even ship a small teacup.

 

   Basically "Expedited Light" is designed purely to get people who use lettermail to stop using lettermail.  It totally discriminates against the rest of us. Had they made the threshold 350 grams or better eBay might have had something. 

   

  Too bad. eBay missed a great opportunity.

 

  

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@intimewithmusic wrote:

Hi @lotzofuniquegoodies 

 Don't get your hopes up folks... don't count your chickens before... etc etc.

 

  This "feature" is a BUST. You can't ship anything larger than a CD. A magazine? Nope. A VHS tape? Nope. You can't even ship a small teacup.

 

   Basically "Expedited Light" is designed purely to get people who use lettermail to stop using lettermail.  It totally discriminates against the rest of us. Had they made the threshold 350 grams or better eBay might have had something. 

   

  Too bad. eBay missed a great opportunity.

 

  


@intimewithmusic 

devon@ebay 

 

That's why confirming if Expedited Lite is based strictly on weight or cubing(dimentional weight) is applicable and knowing calculation that is being used.) It may work for more items than we even realize. And having an easy way to add it to currently running listings so BUYERS know it is in play. Information that should have been available before/as it was released.

 

-Lotz

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Unless your scale is "special", 200 grams is 200 grams. Business policies have already incorporated the new "Only available on eBay Labels".  I doubt there is any problem using EL for other categories.  eBay would have to filter out specific ones from Business policies.

 

Another thought is it seems very odd Canada Post can offer an postal service exclusive to eBay without including  other online agencies (not just platforms) but everyone. The postal service belongs to Canadians. That includes everybody who sells online. Hypothetically will Etsy or Joe Blow Balloons also be allowed to make exclusive deals with CP too?

 

If Etsy or Shopify for example who doesn't have much in trading cards, offered the service with a slightly higher size/ weight  threshold to attract Canadian sellers of handpainted tea cups, magazines etc I wonder how that would that go over with potential Exp Lite sellers?

 

The point is, "Can our postal service offer one business "exclusivity"? I don't know but it seems weird.

 

I don't have any answers. I'm merely suggesting this may not be fully thought through. The benefit is that this is going to attract a lot of attention!

 

In the words of Red Rose tea "Only on eBay you say?... a pity."

 

I'm looking forward to see just how this plays out. In the meantime...

 

Anybody wanna buy ..half a magazine? ;>}

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