02-25-2013 05:31 PM
I have just started selling after years of being on Ebay. I work Hard to list my items, Package my items, and respond to Buyers but what do you do with a Buyer that is impossable? I Offered Full Refund and they Slandered my Ratings with a Negative feed Back...I phoned and reported the Buyer...But Ebay refuses to help me. I feel as a seller they should be more to help protect me from scammers. I feel like I have been slapped in the face by this Buyer and Ebay. Is it not the seller that pays all the fee's that Ebay makes their profit? The more I think about it I will let my standing auction listings come to an end and then close my newly opened store. Why is it just the seller that can recieve nagative feed back? Very unfare....No matter what the buyer does they always come out looking like a angel. Phefff!!! This Buyer just wanted somthing for nothing and when they couldn't keep the item and get there money back too they got mad a left me Negative feed back. I can't believe Ebay lets this happen to there Money maker's (the sellers).
02-25-2013 06:02 PM
I am sorry for the negative feedback you received from an unhappy buyer. No, eBay will not get involve in such cases. Feedback reflects how the buyer feels about the transaction.
"I feel as a seller they should be more to help protect me from scammers."
There is no evidence whatsoever that this buyer had any intention to scam or defraud. His feedback history since he came back to eBay five years ago shows a buyer leaving positive feedback for all sellers. Something must have triggered him to leave negative feedback.
It may not be your fault.
I think these discussion boards are a great instrument of learning, not only for posters but for the thousands of readers who never post. It may help if you could take a few minutes and copy the correspondance between the buyer and yourself leaving to the feedback.
Please.
Many experienced users reviewing the correspondance may be able to discern the trigger point, helping you and other sellers avoid it in the future.
02-25-2013 06:37 PM
Let me guess......
Buyer claimed lantern was broken in transit.
Seller insisted the buyer return the lantern for a refund.
Buyer balked at paying more than the item was worth to return.
Since you shipped via Expedited which includes basic insurance the proper course of action would be to ask for a picture of the damage, contact Canada Post to clarify how to proceed with a damage claim (have buyer hold on to damaged item or other) and then immediately issue refund.
A $12 item that is damaged isn`t worth returning, certainly not worth it to the buyer if they would have to pay and not worth it to the seller if they would have to pay.
02-25-2013 07:09 PM
Yep you are very close to the point...it was over a used, no good, impossable to ship mantel, that I never in any way stated I was including with the sale. New or Old...
02-25-2013 07:39 PM
What recped said...... was exactly the scenario I pictured..........
but what do mean?
It sounds like you're saying a you shipped a used useless item that wasn't in the description.
Explain Please.
02-25-2013 08:27 PM
Yep you are very close to the point...it was over a used, no good, impossable to ship mantel, that I never in any way stated I was including with the sale. New or Old...
If it was just the mantle then unfortunately your buyer is a dork!
Did you tell then they are 2 for $3.49 at Canadian Tire?
If they made any attempt (in writing) to get some sort of partial refund in exchange for not leaving a negative then you have a good chance of getting it removed under the Feedback Extortion policy. The policy also covers negative feedback when a buyer want a full refund without a return (even in the case of a legit not as described claim).
FYI - Not all buyers read well and even those that do often have poor comprehension, it might seem like overkill but it is often just as important to state what a buyer WON'T get as what they will get.
On the positive side, you now have your first neg, the next one won't sting as bad.
02-25-2013 08:30 PM
why are you selling or including "old no good impossible to ship" items with the paid purchases anyways?!?! If you dont even have faith it the ability of it being shipped, then I think you are just askin for trouble by including it.!!
02-25-2013 08:50 PM
Thanks Recped! I will take your advice to heart. You have been a great help to me...I'm a pretty forgiving person and I also like to think i'm easy to get alone with but I won't let someone take advatage of me. Yes you are right the sting was bad....But I learned alot.
02-25-2013 08:54 PM
The sad thing Hoppyer I was only selling the lantern...I never stated I was shipping a Old or New mantel with the lantern. Buyer wanted to keep the lantern and get all of his money refunded. When he found he would not get to keep the lantern and get a full refund they decided to leave hatful feed back for me.
02-25-2013 09:00 PM
I*m still here I didn't ship the old mantel or a new mantel. I shipped only what I was selling which was only the lantern.
02-25-2013 09:14 PM
puca, you've lost me but recped seems to be understanding.
When you said that the problem was over a used no good impossible to ship mantel It sounded like this mantel was something you were including with the lantern.
I don't even know what a mantel is...........
Or I wonder if you were saying that you shipped an old used not good lantern and it was typo??
If that is the case it would have made sense to allow the buyer to keep the lantern and refund.........
In which case recped's first post was right on the money.
02-25-2013 10:44 PM
Puca, I get it. You sold honest, and, expected honest in return. That did not happen.
I am guessing you do not have a lot of retail background.
A slight, to the unprepared, hurts a lot. It hurts too much, non? You are hurting and doubt your resolve. That is normal.
Sellers like Pierre and myself, have been dealing with this sort of thing for decades. You had someone say a few nasty words. I have had co-workers stabbed. I have been threatened, assualted, warned of being arrested. I can tell you tales that would stop you from sleeping at night.
Selling requires a hide so thick an elephant gun will not hurt you. Separate personal from business. Not easy, I know.
02-25-2013 11:47 PM
FYI - Gas Lantern Mantles
EXTREMELY fragile part of a lantern, they are made from a woven fabric of rare earths. When you buy them they come encased in a coating of wax which you burn off AFTER you install (otherwise you would probably destroy the mantle), just blowing out the lantern with too much air pressure and you can damage a mantle.
Generally speaking the Coleman designs are pretty strong as mantles go (compared to say an Alladin brand) but they are still very fragile, there is absolutely no way you could send one through the mail installed and have it survive.
In my first post I made an incorrect assumption that the glass globe had cracked, never thought anyone would expect a working mantle to come with an old Coleman.
another FYI - There is a big collectors market for old Coleman stuff especially stoves, all old gas camping stoves in fact and as usual if you have the original packaging.........
02-26-2013 06:33 AM
"it was over a used, no good, impossable to ship mantel, that I never in any way stated I was including with the sale. New or Old..."
" but I won't let someone take advatage of me."
Your posts seem to indicate the dispute was over a missing mantel. There was no mention of a missing mantel in the listing The buyer left you a negative feedback with this comment:
"Called me a liar when item was broken during shipping, refused to offer solution"
Obviously, to the casual reader, the missing mantel had nothing to do with his reasoning to give you such negative feedback. To learn from this experience and help prevent similar problems in future, it is important to understand what exactly triggered the negative reaction.
Why would the buyer feel it necessary to post a comment "called me a liar"? That did not come from nowhere, did it?
What drove the buyer to such reaction or overreaction? Misunderstanding? Wrong choice of words?
02-26-2013 07:35 AM
I'm not sure what took place between you and the buyer pica, but I wonder if directing your buyer to this thread might help.
Possibly if the buyer sees this information they may be willing to agree to FB removal thingy.
Of course, it does sound like you called the buyer a liar and if that's the case maybe it's already gone to far for that.
Just sayin'.
02-26-2013 08:23 AM
Awww so sorry that this has happened to you. I've also been selling for a bit on ebay now and no negatives then within the last two weeks, bam, two negatives. At first, I was like you and got all upset. My husband is better at dealing with these idiots than I am lol. My two negatives were from buyers who had no clue what the process was to fix anything wrong with a sale. No communications, no clue that there was a problem until they hit me with the negatives. It's very disheartening. We would gladly fix anything and have if need be. We even refunded the one, but still got hit.
The feedback system is very faulty, but truthfully, it's the buyer's responsibility to read the descriptions, read terms and policies of ebay, research the sellers they wish to buy from and also to read the seller's terms and policies too. But they don't always do that.
Some days, a buyer will get up on the wrong side of the bed, or have something bad happen to them and they take it out on you. When you deal with the public and sales, you'll get all types.
I don't get upset anymore. I know ebay won't help, so use what little tools you have available to you. Respond to the feedback, request a revision of his feedback and ask for another opportunity to fix things. Your response should be professional and tactful and others will not only read his but your comments. As for the ratings, hope he has the decency to at least revise things so that you take less of a hit. But if not, just keep going, and try not to let it bother you. Finally, block him and others will too as no seller wants to deal with a potentially difficult buyer.
Just know you're not the only one who goes through this. I truly believe the two I received were new uninformed buyers... but c'est la vie...
🙂
02-26-2013 08:30 AM
The sad thing Hoppyer I was only selling the lantern...I never stated I was shipping a Old or New mantel with the lantern. Buyer wanted to keep the lantern and get all of his money refunded. When he found he would not get to keep the lantern and get a full refund they decided to leave hatful feed back for me.
And therein lies the problem with ebay in this situation. This has happened to us. The buyer doesn't like his purchase. We absolutely indicate that they can send it back and we'll gladly give a full refund. But that is not what the buyer wanted. They were wanting the item and their money. No? Then negative feedback. There should be a spot somewhere, a button that if the buyer doesn't like the item they click the button indicating that they are wishing a refund, but don't get it until they post tracking showing it's being returned. If they don't, then no refund.
lol hmmm sound corny?
02-26-2013 01:35 PM
There should be a spot somewhere, a button that if the buyer doesn't like the item they click the button indicating that they are wishing a refund, but don't get it until they post tracking showing it's being returned. If they don't, then no refund.
If seller tells them to return for a refund and the buyer can not show that they did return it, they don't get their money back so your comment if basically how it works already.
I'm not commenting on this situation in particular but as pointed out, a seller will require the buyer to buy for the return of this item even if it was defective. If it is going to cost more to return the item than the cost of the original purchase, buyers might feel that their only option is to leave a negative.
02-26-2013 01:56 PM
"If seller tells them to return for a refund"
That will usually work unless the listing stated no return.
02-26-2013 02:17 PM
I believe if all of the sellers were actually eBay employees there would have been a wildcat strike over working conditions a long time ago