12-11-2014 10:35 AM
Mary was looking to buy AN ASTRONAUT'S GUIDE TO LIFE ON EARTH by CHRIS HADFIELD , the Canadian astronaut, for our fourteen year old grandson.
Taking a look at eBay, she found over twelve new copies BUT all of them came from sellers in the USA, Australia, United Kingdom. NOT one was offered by a Canadian seller.
Why can't a Canadian book about a Canadian astronaut not be offered by a Canadian seller on eBay-Canada?
Competition, that is why!
Not easy to sell on eBay when you compete with the largest Canadian bookseller, selling in store and online, for Cdn$ 20.00 (free shipping for online purchase).
How can a Canadian seller compete after paying eBay and PayPal fees and absorbing the shipping cost (typically $12 within Canada)?
12-11-2014 11:16 AM
As you've often said, some items aren't meant to be sold in mail order. But, the list is a lot longer for Canadian sellers.
12-11-2014 11:38 AM
A Canadian seller of books has to be very careful.... ( and most likely other types of inventory as well)
One has to choose a topic that reflects Canada and everything Canadian.... Something that is uniquely Canadian... or can be sold by Canadians successfully.
The Hadfield book has worldwide character... an astronaut with NASA... His being Canadian is secondary....
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I am constantly looking for something unique.... and I do find unique topics in books... other than my major topic
Sometimes I find something ... a book.... that I know is good... and let it sit until it is time for me to list it..... too many listed... let them sell.
One has to know the market for a Canadian seller of books.... what that seller should list and why....
I have duds that will never get listed...they get recycled quickly
but I also have those books that are shots in the dark... and sometimes sell very quickly.
Sometimes selling books... especially the more valuable books allows one to "play games''' and make good money.
and... Sometimes a shot in the dark gets recycled....
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When I first came to eBay... the selling of books was not a primary goal. However, ten years later I ONLY sell books.... because I have learned what NOT to do
NOT Easy to Sell on eBay... That is true.
BUT it is not impossible... IF... You know how to play the game..... as a Canadian seller
My latest observation.... A major change in postal rates in January 2013 resulted in less total sales to US buyers..... Yet in 2014 the US buyers are coming back and rising in number... slowly
It is about 8 months ago that I got rid of books about the "old fogys" of hockey... biographies of the headliners that played in the 1970's and 1980's.... My inventory disappeared... but then so did the same books listed by other sellers...Everyone seemed to have the same idea.
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A Canadian seller must understand the market for books as a US seller. and then make it happen as a seller who lives in Canada.
Perhaps... for Canadians.. it is knowing what not to do...... that is a critical reality
12-11-2014 02:03 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
Not easy to sell on eBay when you compete with the largest Canadian bookseller, selling in store and online, for Cdn$ 20.00 (free shipping for online purchase).
How can a Canadian seller compete after paying eBay and PayPal fees and absorbing the shipping cost (typically $12 within Canada)?
You are quite right of course. However this doesn't apply only to books, but to many other items either made or produced in Canada.
In my view, competition is only one of a number of critical reasons Canadian sellers are finding it hard to sell on eBay now. EBay has put the thumbscrews on smaller, independent sellers generally over the past year, and Canada Post has dealt the coup de grâce to many Canadian sellers in particular.
I have a feeling a large number of eBay Canadian sellers have either given up, or are close to giving up, trying to make a go of it on eBay. I know I'm in the second category, and I sell a product (antique sewing patterns) designed and produced by me in Canada. My main U.S. competitors outstrip me almost every time, in pricing and shipping costs. And finding Canadian buyers seems to be getting harder and harder to do.
Quantity rules, and in the case of books (and many other items), US retailers (including eBay sellers) will probably always be able to buy a much higher volume from the publisher, at an accordingly lower price, than Canadian sellers can. What did (Pierre) Trudeau call it? -- Sleeping with the elephant.
12-11-2014 02:40 PM
12-11-2014 02:59 PM
EBay has put the thumbscrews on smaller, independent sellers generally over the past year
Can you give me an example? I keep hearing this comment and have for years but for the life of me I can't figure out how people come to this conclusion.
12-11-2014 03:18 PM
There are certain hockey players that will live on forever.... Gordie Howe is one
and there are the "old fogys"
The old fogys... Esposito, Ferguson, Sitler, are in a list to start
And then we have Wine Gretzky... who is now associated with a winery...his own... . He has his full image ....advertising and selling his wine....at a local wine store. blocked from buyer touching... for this image would disappear in a blink
Then there are a few such as "Bobby Four" AND "Wine Garagekey."..
Garagekey's books never sold for me..
Giving them special names is my way of "having fun"
and then there is Bobby Hullinsky.....who turned the world upside-down when he signed for a cool million in Winnipeg...
12-11-2014 03:48 PM
@cumos55 wrote:
There are certain hockey players that will live on forever.... Gordie Howe is one
That's what I thought.
and there are the "old fogys"
The old fogys... Esposito, Ferguson, Sitler, are in a list to start
I didn't even know these guys had published books.
Then there are a few such as "Bobby Four" AND "Wine Garagekey."..
Garagekey's books never sold for me..
I'm surprised at that.
and then there is Bobby Hullinsky.....who turned the world upside-down when he signed for a cool million in Winnipeg...
Portage & Main that day was wild.
12-11-2014 03:57 PM - edited 12-11-2014 04:02 PM
OK, here goes my litany, more or less in order of introduction over the past 3 years, to the best of my immediate recall (I've probably forgotten half the things I've groaned and complained about over time).
Keep in mind that many of the changes noted below have been rather surreptitious, or background alterations that just quietly get introduced, presumably to avoid too much squawking from the peanut gallery.
1) Smaller sellers like to build relationships with their buyers through direct contact; big sellers generally don't need or want to waste time on such things. EBay began in about 2012 by discouraging or making more circuitous the ability of buyers and sellers to communicate easily, simply, and directly, through:
- Removal of the prominent "Contact Seller" button that used to be up front and easily accessible, and which led only to an open message feature between a buyer and a seller. That contact button got placed way down the bottom of the screen, below most visible content, where nobody would notice it (many buyers had trouble finding it);
- Linking buyer/seller contact to DSRs ("Communications DSR"), putting sellers in the position of thinking twice before sending a buyer a friendly note, lest it not be received in the spirit it was sent. Effectively - and ironically - this became a reward system (5 stars!) for no direct contact with buyers. Fortunately the twerps who thought this bright idea up have recently been somewhat overruled, and Communications DSRs no longer generate defects;
- The 2012/2013 "FAQ" page, which often (to the consternation of both buyer and seller) became a direct line to a case opening - again, this was such an obviously idiotic idea that it's been somewhat revised.
2) Cancellations and Refunds: Once upon a time it was possible for a small seller to work out cancellations and refunds directly with a buyer without fear of reprisal or interference from eBay - another "good service" measure aided by direct, easy contact. Now eBay has not only automated the process by and large, taking most of the direct control out of the seller's hands, but made it easier for the seller to get defects by not following the accepted route -- we've all heard the stories. Why? Simpler, easier, faster for the biggest retailers on this site.
3) Removal of the "Me" page -- This was a big issue for me, the last bastion of the "old", small-is-friendly eBay. With that page I was able to put a personal face on the products I sell, to connect with my buyers as a smaller seller, and also include links to my website and photo gallery. The Omniture stats told me it was working. Not anymore. Now we have a one-size-fits all (XXLarge) "profile" page which essentially says nothing to my buyers.
4) Removal of Promotional Boxes: Oh, I miss this feature. For smaller sellers who don't have big advertising budgets, those customizable promotion boxes were a godsend. One day I noticed I could no longer set them up with anything but a plain vanilla HTML content. Then I learned they were on the way out -- soon to be replaced by the new, plain vanilla, one-size-fits-all storefront design. I have no doubt that design will at some point in the next year become mandatory. All personalized content is effectively erased.
5) Defect system: Now, I appreciate that defects apply to everybody, across the board. However, they don't represent a completely fair system to all, in that a really large seller with big volumes can "clean up his act" and wipe the slate clean every 3 months. The rest of us tote our shame and problems around for 12 months. This was no accident.
6) The new "After Sales Experience" and the "Money Back Guarantee" (and likely the "Hassle Free Returns" soon to come to eBay.ca as well). -- These are clearly geared toward streamlining the returns process on a site that wants to cater to buyers of commercial products from big commercial sellers. EBay really no longer cares to leave seller policy and terms of sale in sellers' hands. I probably don't need to go into details here, but suffice it to say that this is another step in facilitating automation of the sales flow, making less work (= cost) for the biggest commercial sellers. Smaller sellers like me would rather spend time communicating with a dissatisfied buyer and working things out personally. The likes of Toys-R-Us, Target, etc. etc. have no interest in such time-wasting, and don't care if they absorb a few defects every month. Smaller sellers just have to fall in line whether they like it or not, and whether it creates a disadvantage for them (read: defects) or not.
7) Encouragement of Free Shipping, both through advertising and through policy: This one really rankles me as a small seller. EBay has launched a 2-pronged attack on this front over the past year or two by heavily advertising free shipping on its "EBay deals" and from its bigger commercial sellers, while at the same time giving out gold stars to those who can afford to offer free shipping (5 star DSRs and 0 FVF). Buyers are now even less willing to pay reasonable shipping than they were a couple of years ago. I imagine big retailers have little trouble providing free shipping, but for the independent, lower-volume seller working from home, offering free shipping is a sacrifice, especially if you're Canadian.
😎 Search/placement/Cassini and Site Advertising -- Who knows what's really going on with search/placement? All I know is that big inventory = big visibility on eBay. And as for advertising, well, it isn't the stuff the average small seller is offering that eBay is highlighting -- just take a look at the landing page on any given day.
I've run out of immediate examples, but I'm sure if I dragged out the Seller Updates for the last 3 years I could quote many more. It isn't always a question of directly punishing smaller sellers; sometimes it's a matter of simply providing a greater advantage to the biggest retailers on this site that creates hardship and/or difficulty for the lone seller. A seller with 500 transactions a month isn't likely to care about a few defects, but will care much more about how the automated system is saving time and money. It's clearly not in the realm of conspiracy, but simply a fact that eBay has no interest in focusing on supporting its original core of smaller, independent sellers. Why should they, now that they've enticed the "big boys" to the site and are making more money from it?
Well, my theory is that ultimately a lot of those "big boys" will finish their experiment on eBay and move on. Most of eBay's traditional core sellers would stay for years if the site offered them advantages. Perhaps eBay is trading off short-term gain for long-term viability.
I'm a realist -- EBay can't, and doesn't want to please both, at least at the moment. I just wish they could find a compromise to help us "little guys" sell more easily -- a two-tier system perhaps? If all the restrictions and alterations to this site actually resulted in significantly better sales, I'd be all for them. Sadly, the outcome has been just the opposite for me and apparently a lot of other small, independent sellers.
Lastly, for a long time I too thought I might be just imagining things. Then one day at a Wed. board meeting, an eBay.ca staffer dropped a bomb that I don't think many took notice of, and I don't think he really meant to drop. He essentially confirmed, in response to a question about a new policy (I don't recall which specifically) that eBay's policies were meant to accommodate its biggest volume sellers. Ooops. Well, voilà, I wasn't hallucinating after all.
12-11-2014 04:09 PM
These were biographies about these players.. the old fogys..
In their day they had value but today.... hockey is different....
Gretzky's books had value but not at a price where I could sell and do well... on eBay... There was always someone underpricing my listing...
A bit like trying to sell a book about a Canadian astronaut.... with about 20 books listed on eBay all at a reasonably good price... but postage kills me in this group.... The same for Gretzky...
This what I meant by stating... Knowing what NOT to do.... find a book that will sell and not just sit on eBay.
My other group of old fogys.... Books written about Canada's Prime Ministers..... Will only list recent biographies.... The older books sold in years gone by but not today.... unless there is no recently published biography
12-11-2014 04:28 PM
To add to my tome above, here are a couple of cases in point - read Post #1 and 2 on this string:
http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/3-NAD-Disputes/m-p/286791#U286791
These aren't isolated stories, I'm sure, and deal with only one aspect of eBay's recent policy-making (INAD claims being opened generating automatic defects).
12-11-2014 09:11 PM
I think it all boils down to one thing. eBay is no longer the equal playing field it used to be for all of the reasons rose-dee mentioned above and more.
I have acquired yet another defect for Description but reading through my feedback it appears that all of the buyers were more than happy with their purchases.
12-11-2014 10:02 PM
@westernstargifts wrote:I think it all boils down to one thing. eBay is no longer the equal playing field it used to be for all of the reasons rose-dee mentioned above and more.
I have acquired yet another defect for Description but reading through my feedback it appears that all of the buyers were more than happy with their purchases.
I knew someone had left me low DSR's, so when I ran a report, I saw that it was a person who not only gave me excellent feedback but also sent me an e-mail thanking me for the wonderful experience she had. She gave me 1's across the board. I truly think she simply didn't read closely enough and thought 1 was the best rating. That was a long time ago and my DSR's still haven't recovered.
I wonder how many other people do that.
12-11-2014 10:35 PM
Here's the thing I've found about books.
Bestsellers - ain't.
They are like collectible plates. The first buyer is the last. They have no resale value because everyone who wanted it bought it.
What does sell is the book that was overlooked, the cult title, the hard to find ( which is not the same thing as expensive as we probably all know).
It's Mr. Micawber.
'Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."
If there are twenty thousand books in print and nineteen thousand are sold, don't buy it for resale.
If there are two hundred books in print and twohundred and twenty people want it, it will fly off the shelf.
And some of the books I find are good sellers are pretty unexpected. I have a constant market for Robert's Rules of Order mostly going to the former Soviet Union. Bescherelles sell well in late summer. Rock star bios from the 20th century move pretty well. Also the Hitchhikers' Guide, which I think is still in print. At least the first four volumes of the trilogy.
There is an exception to 'bestsellers ain't" though, Terry Pratchett paperbacks with Kirby covers sell into the States but not the later Kirby covers.
If the Hadfield book is in the stores, there is no point in a bookseller trying to compete with Heather's prices. It is available from US sellers because it is NOT available in US bookstores.
12-11-2014 10:38 PM
I had one of those when they first began the rating system. I also remember one buyer who left a negative for me accidentally. She had intended it for another seller.
12-11-2014 11:21 PM - edited 12-11-2014 11:26 PM
My first sale was in early February 2003... and my selling on eBay adapted as eBay changed.
I adapted in a series of steps.... year-by-year
A new seller on eBay in 2014 must adjust quickly or die.
Small sellers sell as they choose and quickly hit a brick wall.... and it could mean a quick good-bye.
New sellers must prove themselves as sellers on eBay..... Anyone who wants to sell on eBay is allowed to do so but with some rules to follow...
eBay's rules are here as "guidelines" that everyone must follow... The unfortunately part of this process is that the current rules allow the scam buyer to function what appears to be ... without control
The scam sellers and then the scam buyers.... are still here....
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eBay is getting so big that it is more and more difficult for eBay to effect a measure of control on what happens on eBay.
and... eBay cannot continue growing without recognizing when lots more is too much.
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Some of the discussion on eBay.com does show that problem sellers are being closed down..... the problem sellers are some long term sellers that were finally identified as problem sellers..... for many reasons, that are sometimes not too obvious ... initially ..... but only after a discussion and view of a seller's record on eBay.......are the problems noted....
Many times it is the seller's attitude that is the problem...
and ..... not only the small sellers.
Many sellers do not believe they are doing anything wrong, until it is too late... and they are shut down very quickly...
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It is not easy to sell on eBay... but it can be done....
12-12-2014 01:25 AM
Amen!!!
12-12-2014 03:23 PM
Then one day at a Wed. board meeting, an eBay.ca staffer dropped a bomb that I don't think many took notice of, and I don't think he really meant to drop. He essentially confirmed, in response to a question about a new policy (I don't recall which specifically) that eBay's policies were meant to accommodate its biggest volume sellers.
I faintly remember the post that you are referring to although I don't think that I came to the same conclusion that you have. But I haven't been able to find so can't confirm that. Do you know when this was said?
Although I don't agree with many of the changes that ebay has done over the past couple of years, I don't get the same pro big seller anti small seller attitude that you seem to feel.
Once upon a time it was possible for a small seller to work out cancellations and refunds directly with a buyer without fear of reprisal or interference from eBay - another "good service" measure aided by direct, easy contact.
If the majority of ebay sellers small and large had been giving this 'good service' I don't think that some of these policies would ever have been put into effect. Although I don't agree with the way they have set these things up, I do think that policies like this were intended to help buyers and to weed out the bad sellers. Unfortunately, I don't think that it is working well.
Linking buyer/seller contact to DSRs ("Communications DSR"), putting sellers in the position of thinking twice before sending a buyer a friendly note, lest it not be received in the spirit it was sent.
I've never changed the way that I communicate with my buyers and have never thought twice about sending them a friendly note. I agree that the policy of rewarding sellers for not contacting their buyers does seem ludicrous. But I don't think that it had anything to do with large sellers not wanting to contact buyers but had more to do with sellers complaining that a buyer could rate communication as poor even when there was no need for any sort of communication between buyer and seller.
If ebay wants to eliminate small sellers, why do they push so hard for people to sell their unwanted items? Those type of sellers are unlikely to become big sellers.
I have more thoughts on the subject but no time to type them out. I do think that many of ebay's 'rules' were not meant to be anti small seller but the powers that be did not seem to sit down and figure out how some of these rules would work in the long run and if they would actually make the site a 'safer place' for buyers. Their intentions may have been good but not always well though out.
12-12-2014 03:53 PM
Maybe if Ebay would do something about the scam buyers, Ebay would not have to micro manage. If they punished bad buyers the same way as supposed bad sellers, the market place would be much better.
Buyers are allowed to say and do as they please, many times to the erroneous detriment of the seller and Ebay could care less.
Ebay supports scammers and seller selling counterfeit and fake goods.
That is what is wrong with Ebay.
12-12-2014 04:56 PM
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