09-02-2013 06:40 PM
We have no control over what the post office charges and that does not include the 10% eBay charges. At the very least eBay should be paying for un-insurable items because the cost is skyrocketing and we can't afford to send insured.
09-02-2013 06:43 PM
If there were no checks and balances for shipping how long do you think it would take before some unethical sellers started inflating the shipping like they used to before the FVF on shipping.
09-02-2013 06:58 PM
09-02-2013 07:11 PM
Cost of shipping has been pretty stable the last 2 1/2 years. Insurance has never been an issue for me. I have made changes to my packaging and I am saving the equivelant of the FVF on shipping. Cdn $ is down 10% over the last couple of years so I am saving there as well.
Some see problems, I see opportunities.
09-02-2013 07:15 PM
"We have no control over what the post office charges "
It is not as simple as that.
Sellers do control the type of shipping service they want to offer. Too often we see eBay sellers requesting a very expensive shipping method because they suffer from paranoia. They are afraid someone may attempt to rip them off and will only ship with tracking and signature for relatively low value where the extra cost - passed on to the buyer - is wasted.
Yes, those sellers may charge exactly what the post office charges but it does not make it right.
09-03-2013 12:57 AM
Since they can see the rate we pay on paypal could they not charge a percentage on the overcharge only if there is any.
Not everyone uses Paypal for their shipping labels.
09-03-2013 11:56 AM
I fact ebay wants to have the seller ship with with tracking, a more expensive option for smaller less expensive goods. And with good reason..2 of my last 10 sales have tried to rip me off....As a part-time seller for the last 15 years i have noticed a huge uptick in rip-off buyers....and yet i cannot leave feedback to deter and warn others....Robert
09-04-2013 11:58 AM
Free shipping is the solution.
Transfer the shipping fees on the item price.
Several buyers parse through auctions sorted by (Price + Shipping: lowest first). So you will keep your position in the listings order and you will get an automatic 5-stars for shipping fees.
09-06-2013 03:07 PM
buyers are bidding and they see the price of shipping and they agree after they bid, it is a joke!!
09-06-2013 06:00 PM
Time and time again on this board, I read comments that sellers should incorporate their shipping costs with their selling price to avoid a poor DSR rating. This may work for people who sell lightweight items like stamps or postcards or sports cards who can add a couple of dollars to their selling price and it would likely not even be noticed. Or, conversely, a very expensive item where the cost of shipping would be neglible in relation to the cost of the item. But for lower-priced items, say between $15 and $60, which cost $12 or $15 (and upwards) to ship, it's pretty difficult to bury that cost in the selling price and still remain competitive.
I'm willing to bet that only seasoned buyers will sort by Price plus Shipping - Lowest First. I think most people, if they sort at all, might look for Ending Soonest. But when they see a price that's $12 or $15 higher than the others, I don't think they stick around long enough to see what the shipping cost is or even notice that it's free. They just move on to a lower-priced item.
So, for me, anyway, building the shipping into the asking price just doesn't work. I've sometimes increased the price by $2.00 and reduced the shipping by the same amount, so as not to turn off potential buyers, but that's about as far as I can go.
09-06-2013 07:13 PM
I completely agree with 'jt-libra'. The advice to roll shipping cost (or at least a substantial portion of it) into selling price, in my opinion, is not a workable solution for a great many sellers, precisely for the reasons 'jt-libra' mentions. It is a recipe to make them uncompetitive, and I always wince when I see it touted on these boards.
Would you rather reduce your buyers' shipping costs, accept lower profit margins per widget but sell more widgets, or sit on those widgets for weeks hoping someone will pay a "combined" price that is higher than your U.S. competitors? I think a combined price only works if you have particularly desirable or rare items that people can't easily find elsewhere at any price, or low shipping costs to begin with.
Canadian sellers must compete with a U.S. market where not only domestic shipping is lower, but often basic prices are too. In addition, we have the perennial problem of trying to appeal to buyers who are in a foreign country (U.S.) and may see us as outsiders. If you sell anything over $200, you also need to take the customs/duties factor into account. All of these things are disincentives to our major customer base. So why increase prices in an attempt to claw back some of your shipping costs?
My personal view is that Canadian sellers generally have two realistic means to compete (one of which is out of our hands):
(1) Reduce (or eliminate) shipping costs and keep prices very competitive in the hope that volume will outstrip shipping "subsidies" (after all, a few good additional sales can make up for a number of such "subsidies"); and
(2) Hang on until the dollar dips far enough that our goods look very appealing to U.S. buyers and the currency exchange automatically defrays some of the shipping "subsidies".
Not to be entirely ignored either is the fact that free (or low) shipping will keep DSRs higher, and may help to achieve or hold on to a 20% discount. When you're selling higher priced items, or a larger volume, that 20% can make up for a lot of shipping costs.
... Just my 2 cents...
09-06-2013 07:50 PM
"The advice to roll shipping cost (or at least a substantial portion of it) into selling price, in my opinion, is not a workable solution for a great many sellers,"
That may be true but Canadian sellers are competing with American sellers who offer "free shipping" in over 50% of their listings.
Not easy to compete with them unless you make your price and terms competitive.
Canadian sellers are trying to get a piece of the American pie. We can only do it if we compete in their territory on their terms.
09-07-2013 11:42 AM
@pierrelebel wrote:
Canadian sellers are trying to get a piece of the American pie. We can only do it if we compete in their territory on their terms.
I absolutely agree with you Pierre. However my point was that I think the concept of adding shipping costs onto an already barely competitive price is counter-productive for Canadian sellers. That is, until the Canadian dollar slumps further below par than it is now, at which point we may be able to afford to increase item prices somewhat in order to lower shipping.
As 'jt-libra' pointed out, if a seller is fortunate enough to have items that ship relatively cheaply (i.e. lightweight and small), or are expensive enough to justify premium shipping, it's easier to roll some of the shipping cost into the item price. Otherwise, we risk pricing ourselves well above US competitors, since our shipping costs to the US are higher to begin with than their own domestic shipping rates, and I think US buyers may regard any duty they have to pay, albeit only above $200 in purchases, as part of the item price.
So we as Canadian sellers are competing with 3 potential handicaps before we start: item price, shipping cost and possible cross-border duties. I might even add a fourth, which would be delivery time. I just have difficulty seeing how an attempt to recoup some or all of the shipping costs by tacking them onto existing pricing can be a good strategy if it increases the item price the buyer sees.
I completely agree with you that free shipping (or the lowest shipping possible) is the best way to compete with US sellers. In the end, buyers determine whether a particular item is a good deal overall, and much of that perception depends upon how easy it is to get that item elsewhere. For an American, it's easy to get just about anything from a domestic seller, so as I see it, to attract US buyers Canadian sellers have to stand out in two ways: very competitive pricing or high quality/rarity. If you don't have one, you've got to have the other, and I imagine the most prosperous sellers have both.
As has been expressed by others on these boards, I think it boils down to the fact that Canadian sellers must be far more strategic, more professional, and perhaps expect lower margins, than their US counterparts if they are to remain successful in this venue. Selling isn't as carefree and easy as it was in the heyday of eBay when the $Cdn was at $0.85 US.
09-07-2013 11:51 AM
Pierre, I suppose I should have said above, in order to be clearer, that I do believe sellers should reduce (or completely eliminate) shipping costs and accept lower margins, not try to have their cake and eat it too by "hiding" shipping costs in item price. That will get them nowhere fast.
This seems to be the new reality of selling here for us in the GWN. There may be sellers who will say they can't afford to "subsidize" their buyers' shipping (or offer free shipping and a very competitive price). I think they will unfortunately find it harder and harder to survive on today's eBay.
09-07-2013 12:21 PM
"sellers should reduce (or completely eliminate) shipping costs and accept lower margins, not try to have their cake and eat it too by "hiding" shipping costs in item price. "
When you think about it, it is the same thing. Shipping costs come from the gross margin one way or the other. Like eBay does when charging fees, a seller should look at the total value of the transaction, not the sale before shipping charge.
On an item that costs me $50.00 with a $15.00 shipping cost to send to my Canadian/American customers (on average), my selling price is not determined by my cost or my shipping cost, it is determined by the marketplace - my competitors.
If the marketplace tells me the price should be in the $85 to $95 range (including shipping) and I decide $90 is what I am willing to sell the item for, then my profit will be $25 (or 28% gross margin). Considering eBay/PayPal fees, I will be left with about 15% net margin.
Is that acceptable to me?
If I want a quicker sale, I would need to price the item at the lower end of the range ($85) leaving me $20 profit (25%) or about 12% after fees.
Is that acceptable to me?
In both cases, my answer would be no. I do not wish to work on those low margins. I want at least 50% after fees.
So, if the marketplace tells me $85 is the right price (about $74 after fees), I need to lower my cost of the item to $37 or less to make the 50% margin I am looking for.
And that is the problem for many sellers. Their costs are too high to properly compete with other sellers who may have lower costs of goods (they buy better) and - in most instances - benefit from lower shipping costs.
09-07-2013 12:26 PM
Now, in some categories where the turnover is quick, lower margins are acceptable as they are the norm.
If you turn your inventory once a year, you need much higher gross margins than if it turns over every month.
And, like femme would say, do not forget to cost the value of your time. There is little point in working on margins so low that you only end up making $3 or $5 an hour on a net basis.
09-07-2013 02:36 PM
@rose-dee wrote:Pierre, I suppose I should have said above, in order to be clearer, that I do believe sellers should reduce (or completely eliminate) shipping costs and accept lower margins, not try to have their cake and eat it too by "hiding" shipping costs in item price. That will get them nowhere fast.
This seems to be the new reality of selling here for us in the GWN. There may be sellers who will say they can't afford to "subsidize" their buyers' shipping (or offer free shipping and a very competitive price). I think they will unfortunately find it harder and harder to survive on today's eBay.
Saying that all Canadian sellers should hide some or all of their shipping costs in the price is as inaccurate as saying that Canadian sellers should reduce or eliminate their shipping costs and accept lower margins.Each seller has to take a number of things into account and experiment to see what will work best for their situation.
09-07-2013 02:42 PM
You are correct. Each seller should do what works best in the circumstances. However, we all need to be aware of what our competitors are doing.
This message from the "Ultimate Guide to Increasing ecommerce conversion":
Charging for shipping is a conversion killer
Do you know how many merchants offer free shipping? Half of them! Some offer always free, some have conditions. Amazon and JCPenney offer free shipping if you buy for at least $25 or $50 respectively. Nordstrom offers free shipping for all purchases. All of this has gotten people used to the idea of free shipping.
An E-tailing Group study revealed that unconditional free shipping is #1 criteria for making a purchase (73% listed it as ‘critical’). In another study 93% of respondents indicated that free shipping on orders would encourage them to purchase more products.
High shipping costs were rated as the number one reason why consumers were not satisfied with their online shopping experience. In fact, shipping costs are the main reason why people prefer brick and mortar to online.
People want free shipping, no surprise there. But how attractive is it? In fact, orders with free shipping average around 30% higher in value those that charge a few bucks for transport. Makes business sense.
When 2BigFeet introduced free shipping for orders over $100, their conversions went up 50%.
For whatever reason, a free shipping offer that saves a customer $6.99 is more appealing to many than a discount that cuts the purchase price by $10.
If you’re afraid that offering free shipping will erode most of the profit in the order, watch this video for a useful strategy to use.
What about charging very little instead of free?
In the book “Free“, the author Chris Anderson shares the case of Amazon. Once Amazon implemented the free shipping offer, sales went up in each country except for one – France. Why? France charged 20 cents instead of free. While 20 cents IS almost free, it sure didn’t seem that way to people. Once they changed it to free, sales went up also in France.
Moral of the story: free is in a league of it’s own. The difference between cheap and free is huge.
If you charge for shipping
If you decide to still charge for shipping, you have to do this one thing: mention shipping costs up front. If you can, charge a flat fee (simple pricing is best) instead of per item.
Nothing kills conversions like a surprise shipping fee revealed at the very end. According to this study 47% of people indicated they would abandon a purchase if they got to checkout and found that free shipping was not included.
09-07-2013 02:55 PM
I actually lost my Top rated seller status last month because i got to many low ratings for shipping costs.
I send every item i can the cheapest method avaialble. Some items i cant send with lettermail because they are too big. Most of my items gets shipped to USA. Expedited starts at 15$ , small packet is atleast 10$. Doesnt help when you sell small price items. Nobody wants to pay 10$ shipping for 20$ items.
09-07-2013 04:26 PM