February 18th 2015 Weekly Board Hour

Hello Canadian eBayers,

 

If your fingers aren't too frozen, we're hoping you'll join us for this week's Board Hour. Please go ahead and start posting at your convenience, we will join you at 1 PM Eastern.

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@pjcdn2005 wrote:

Good morning/afternoon,

It's a sunny day here...I won't say any more. Smiley Wink

 

This comes up every once in a while.  When ebay first said that sellers (in most categories) could not ask for cash, money orders or bank transfers, they also said that if a buyer requested it, that was allowed. Of course that was quite a while ago so I am wondering what ebay's stance is on that now. If a buyer requests to make payment  one of those ways and has not been solicited by the seller to do so, is that a problem?


Hi pjcdn2005,

 

All eBay can regulate on is what sellers say in their listings. What happens beyond the confines of the eBay site is usually out of our control. With that said, a good way to look at this particular policy is that eBay may not be able to protect a buyer or a seller if the payment method employed was not one that is approved.

 

The reason we discourage people from sending cash, money orders or bank transfers is that these are rarely reversible or even traceable, so it's hard to recoup a sent payment if anything goes wrong.


Thanks for the reply.

Sorry for all the questions today but I've had to make up for not being around the last few weeks. 🙂

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Hi Raphael

 

Just stopped by to say hello!

 

We are in the process of relocating from Belleville to Napanee, and unfortunately - or lucky for you! - I do not have the time to get involved in many of these important discussions.

 

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@merritt-motorcycle-salvage wrote:

At what point are we going to be informed of promising evidence that there will be an error free functioning method put in place for .com buyers to combine and pay for multiple items from .ca sellers.

 

I`ve being informed by numerous ebay employees and supervisors that they started on Dec. 7, 2015 and was to be resolved on or before Mar. 7, 2015. Every response on your part tells us that they have no intentions on working or fixing the issue as they believe there isn`t a problem. I don`t find it amusing whatsoever, but rather insulting, if your statements are correct and we are being lied to on numerous occasions ebay. 

 

 


Hi merritt-motorcycle-salvage,

 

I'm sorry you've been told erroneous information by whomever you spoke to at eBay Customer Support. As we have explained before however, what is in front of us here is not a bug or glitch, there are no errors at play. What is happening is a set of circumstances that put a subset of Canadian sellers at a disadvantage with regards to their sales to eBay.com buyers. In more details:

 

  • The shopping cart on eBay.com doesn't support multiple currencies and was built to only accept items that were listed on eBay.com.
  • In mid-2013, a new policy was launched on eBay.com to help reduce unpaid items for US sellers (an identified major pain point). The policy forces buyers to pay for any BIN items priced below $1000 before the item becomes unavailable to other buyers. This means that orders with multiple items can now only be combined via the shopping cart.
  • As a result, BIN items that were listed on eBay.ca (or any site other than eBay.com) cannot be combined into one order on eBay.com. Most of the time, this is fine, unless the seller also offers combined shipping discounts. These combined shipping discounts can never be given to buyers on eBay.com because these items cannot be added to the shopping cart.
  • To sum things up, the eBay.com shopping cart plus the forced immediate payment on BIN items policy creates this issue where eBay.com buyers cannot benefit from the seller's combined shipping discounts. Hence, the only group of sellers impacted by this are sellers who sell BIN items AND also offer combined shipping discounts. That group is surprisingly small, which makes our business case for a full rebuild of the eBay.com shopping cart equally small. It's for that reason that we've not been able to get this project prioritized thus far. We continue to do our best to get this onto the US shopping cart team's roadmap, however.

What does this all mean? It means that sellers who are impacted by this issue who are willing to list their items on eBay.com will effectively work around the problem.


A LARGE majority of Canadian sellers list in USD so whats the problem. Its the same currency as ebay.com. 

 

The fact that you keep bringing up listing on ebay.com makes us furious. You suggest we list on a site that has no Canadian settings whatsoever. It is MAJOR undertaking to transfer our Canadian listings to ebay.com.

 

It is quite clear nobody gives a hoot about Canadian sellers, are we here just for your comedic pleasure to watch us suffer. No rush over here, take your time. All the money we pay you it would be nice if you used portion of that to up keep ebay.ca to function properly and ebays response to that is ebay.ca does function properly its ebay.com that doesn`t.

 

Here`s an amusing article http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/1/1390183026.html

 

Nothing like implementing a cart on ebay.ca knowing very well it won`t work and admitting it, but lets go ahead anyways. Makes sense.

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I have just been catching up on last week and this week's board hours.

 

I also sell low-priced items and use flat rate shipping.  In the old days I had lots of sales, mostly from the U.S., and many combined orders.  It worked seamlessly.  Now I have very low sales and very few combined orders.

 

If Canadian sellers like me list on .com then we are unable to print shipping labels.  For Small Packet U.S. and International that is not a problem for me as I don't print labels for them anyway.  The problem comes with Expedited.  On .ca we get a discount, on .com we do not and we also cannot print the label from there.  This shipping method makes up a smaller portion of my sales but I am sure there are many others who use that service regularly.

 

It seems that so many changes in the past few years have negatively affected Canadian sellers.  I blame these changes for the decrease in sales.

 

The main reason buyers back out of a sale on any site is making it too difficult to go through checkout.  It should be able to be done in 2 to 3 clicks.  They shouldn't have to log into a different site and many would not be willing to have the hassle of doing so.

 

Just my opinion.  Have a good day.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

By the way, having a shopping cart on eBay was something that millions of buyers had been asking for in the years prior to us launching it. It is, after all, how every other e-commerce platform works, very much an industry standard.



I can understand why the cart on .com was originally set up however, it never made sense to me why ebay forces buyers to use it by requiring immediate payment. Sellers already had the option to use immediate payment so why force it to be used?  I think that a reasonably simple solution to the current problem with items listed on .ca would be to remove the immediate payment requirement on .com. Then, buyers could use the cart if they wanted to or they could do it the old way (still available on .ca) and ask a seller for a combined invoice.


Thanks for the suggestion. This has actually been part of our discussions with the US teams from the onset.

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@pierrelebel wrote:

Hi Raphael

 

Just stopped by to say hello!

 

We are in the process of relocating from Belleville to Napanee, and unfortunately - or lucky for you! - I do not have the time to get involved in many of these important discussions.

 


Whew! Dodged a bullet there! 🙂

 

Always a pleasure to have you, Pierre! Good luck with the relocation!

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

Sorry for all the questions today but I've had to make up for not being around the last few weeks. 🙂


That's why we're here! Thanks for bringing these questions, and keep 'em coming!

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

Happy to discuss your suggestions.

 

1) This is something that sellers are able to do on their own already. eBay listings have several placements that can be customized with such messaging. A good example of sellers taking such means to make announcements specific to their own situation would be those who added a blurb to their item descriptions to specify that cross-border buyers are responsible for any tax of duty incurred when they import the item.

  

The problem with this idea is that adding anything to the item description means we have to rely on buyers to read the description section, which may not happen if they are using mobile purchasing.  I've had buyers ask me for information that was clearly and extensively set out in my "Description" section -- obviously they didn't read it.  
What is needed is a feature that will allow sellers (perhaps store owners only?) to choose to post a banner/notice that will be seen at the very top tier of each listing and also on the store pages, i.e. visible up front even to mobile users.  I don't know of anything (aside from the auto-vacation setting) that will do this.  The great, customizable editing that used to be available on "Promotion Boxes" is gone, or at least severely restricted.  The limitation of these boxes in any event is that they won't show up when a buyer opens a listing.  
What I'm really asking is whether a feature like the store vacation banner could be feasibly designed and implemented.  This would go a long, long way to avoiding the US buyer difficulties when trying to make multiple purchases. 

2) The problem with this is that the amount of sellers impacted by the US shopping cart limitations is very far from the majority. Furthermore, Canadian sellers on eBay.com account for a very tiny percentage when compared to actual US-based sellers and sellers from other parts of the world. This makes it hard to justify putting up messaging for all US buyers to see if that message is going to be relevant to just a tiny percentage of the items they see, and as far as I know there are no targeted placements we can use at checkout (targeted meaning a message we could show only to the right buyers).

 

I accept this, unfortunate as it may be. 

 

 

3) The shopping cart on eBay.com already can't take any items that were listed on eBay.ca, so adding immediate payment on these items would change nothing. Furthermore, on eBay.com, all BIN items priced under $1000 are already forced into immediate payment since mid-2013 (details here). Doing this would change nothing to how eBay.com buyers can purchase your items. All this would do is force buyers to pay before they own your items when they shop on eBay.ca.

 

I believe the .com cart can take the first item with no problem; it seems to be when a US buyer tries to add the 2nd and further items that the disconnect ensues.  

 

If all BIN items under $1000 are enforced as IPR on .com, would this also apply to me if I listed my items on eBay.com?  In other words, if the rationale for listing on .com would be to encourage multiple-item orders, wouldn't this enforced IPR basically obviate that? 

 

 

 

 

4) As I explained for 2), this isn't feasible because it would only be relevant for a very tiny percentage of eBay.com buyers. The current message that says "Item not available" is used for a lot more than just Canadian items.

 

Understood.  This brings to mind the question: what is the percentage of eBay.com buyers who buy from Canadians (or make multiple purchases from Canadians)?  

 

Is eBay able to track how many US buyers have attempted to make multiple purchases from Cdn sellers but have gone away?  I for one have really only become aware of the full extent of the problem fairly recently because I've had a couple of US buyers contact me to complain about the checkout process.  Prior to that, it was pretty murky trying to determine was the experience was for US buyers. 

 

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@merritt-motorcycle-salvage wrote:
A LARGE majority of Canadian sellers list in USD so whats the problem. Its the same currency as ebay.com. 

 

The fact that you keep bringing up listing on ebay.com makes us furious. You suggest we list on a site that has no Canadian settings whatsoever. It is MAJOR undertaking to transfer our Canadian listings to ebay.com.

 

It is quite clear nobody gives a hoot about Canadian sellers, are we here just for your comedic pleasure to watch us suffer. No rush over here, take your time. All the money we pay you it would be nice if you used portion of that to up keep ebay.ca to function properly and ebays response to that is ebay.ca does function properly its ebay.com that doesn`t.

 

Here`s an amusing article http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/1/1390183026.html

 

Nothing like implementing a cart on ebay.ca knowing very well it won`t work and admitting it, but lets go ahead anyways. Makes sense.


Respectfully, please read all our previous posts on the matter more carefully.

 

We have made our case with the US team. We've given them all the arguments, explained over & over what the problem is and why it needs to get remedied. We've told you many times that we understand and agree that this is a serious problem. However, not many projects get prioritized these days, and this one hasn't yet. Does that mean we abandoned pursuing this? Certainly not. We continue to make the case with the appropriate team. We aren't going to stop. But there is no date in sight for this yet. Bring it up here on the board hour over & over won't change that unfortunately.

 

Also respectfully, please stop saying there is anything wrong with the shopping cart on eBay.ca. There is nothing wrong with the shopping cart on eBay.ca.

 

Thank you.

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@rose-dee wrote:
What I'm really asking is whether a feature like the store vacation banner could be feasibly designed and implemented.  This would go a long, long way to avoiding the US buyer difficulties when trying to make multiple purchases. 

Thanks, I'll keep your suggestion, however I would suggest this may prove as difficult to get prioritized as the solution we've been pursuing thus far. But we never know...

 


rose-dee wrote:

I believe the .com cart can take the first item with no problem; it seems to be when a US buyer tries to add the 2nd and further items that the disconnect ensues.  

 

If all BIN items under $1000 are enforced as IPR on .com, would this also apply to me if I listed my items on eBay.com?  In other words, if the rationale for listing on .com would be to encourage multiple-item orders, wouldn't this enforced IPR basically obviate that?  


As far as I know the eBay.com shopping cart can never take items that were listed on sites other than eBay.com.

 

If you listed on eBay.com, your eBay.com buyers would still be forced to pay immediately for your items, but they would be able to put them in the eBay.com shopping cart and thus, able to combine multiples into a single order.

 


@rose-dee wrote:

This brings to mind the question: what is the percentage of eBay.com buyers who buy from Canadians (or make multiple purchases from Canadians)?  

 

Is eBay able to track how many US buyers have attempted to make multiple purchases from Cdn sellers but have gone away?  I for one have really only become aware of the full extent of the problem fairly recently because I've had a couple of US buyers contact me to complain about the checkout process.  Prior to that, it was pretty murky trying to determine was the experience was for US buyers. 

 


I'm not at liberty to share such numbers unfortunately. But yes, we are tracking these things even though these metrics are confidential.

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This concludes this week's chat. Thanks everyone for participating!

 

I'd like to leave you with a word about the shopping cart issues. Please note that, as I've explained today, this isn't something we are ignoring. Quite the contrary. However at this time we've exhausted all possibilities and done everything we could and yet, the necessary work has not yet been prioritized.We understand and agree how much of a pain it has become for many Canadian sellers. We will continue to pursue a solution for this.

 

With that said, it doesn't help move this forward to continue to bring this up every week. We promise to keep on top of it and to let you guys know as soon as we get any movement on this issue.

 

Thanks for understanding, and have a great week!

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