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hdwrench1
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Hi All,
What is everyones feedback policies?
We leave feedback right after payment and have gotten some neg feedback from some jokers. We reply to these but what is everyone elses policies.

Just curious.
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acurael
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I do the same as well - 75% of my negs have come as retaliation for NPB/FVF and a neg on my behalf.
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deltone
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I used to leave feedback immediately on receipt of payment, but I don't do that anymore. Once I receive word from the bidder that parcel was received and they are happy......in other words, once the transaction is complete is when I leave it. I've seen from reading the feedback board that there are too many scams (switching items etc) that I decided I'd much rather leave feedback upon the completion of the transaction.
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can-import
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I leave feedback as soon as I get payment... If payment or contact is made within 3 days, its positive, if its within 7 days, its neutral and if its more than 7 days, its negative!

I think that when buyer pays, he did his part of the deal and deserve feedback!

If you give a good service, they will do the same for you!
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muminlaw
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I've gotten a little more wary. If it's a repeat customer I leave it immediately, but for the new ones, I've started waiting until I'm sure they're happy. I'm now beginning to agree with those who feel that the buyer must indicate whether he/she is happy and if not, have given the seller a chance to make it good, before the transaction is complete and it's time for feedback.

Glenda
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thebidwatcher
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In the silver/antique biz there seems to be a minimal risk of buyer trouble. When the bidder pays, they get their feedback right away. I also can't sit around and keep track of who did what where.

I have only had to leave negs for peeps who did not pay their bill. The items were still sitting here so I relisted. Only one kook called me 9 months later and asked me where his stuff was. I said, "Probably Texas".
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off_to_uni
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Hi everyone!

I used to leave positive feedback for buyers once their payment was received but 3 months ago I started only returning feedback. There are simply to many problematic customers out there.

One of the drawbacks though is I used to get around 75% feedback from buyers and now it's about 65%.

Cheers,

James
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cmagor-ctvi
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Like the majority so far, I leave feedback as soon as payment is received and the only reason I have had to leave negatives have been NPB's. Maybe if I encounter a problem I'll rethink this policy, but as a buyer I like feedback to be posted as soon as I pay, so that's what I do for my buyers.

From the negatives posted by sellers that I have come across when checking on some of my buyers feedback, it seems to me that many negs posted by sellers are simply retaliation for what on the face of it appears to be a reasonable complaint from the buyer - I don't like the idea of holding that "blackmail" over a buyer.

Chris.
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deltone
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Buyers can also hold "blackmail" over a seller. It happens a lot. I read somewhere that ebay recommends that you leave feedback once the transaction is complete. It's really not complete until the person receives the item and is satisfied.

I have very liberal policies of returns and sending a second parcel if the person says he didn't get the first one I sent so I don't consider it as blackmail withholding feedback until the transaction is complete.

There are many loonies out there and as a Canadian using Paypal and having no seller protection with regards to these purchases, I'm not about to put all the aces in the buyer's hand.

Scenario....buyer pays by Paypal within minutes of auction end, so seller immediately leaves feedback. What can you say about this bidder other than he pays quickly. That's not the only thing that makes a bidder a good eBayer. So immediately seller sends the parcel. Let's say it's a dvd, or a collectible item. So, a few days later the bidder emails seller with a rude email saying you sent me a broken collectible, or a dvd that doesn't work. Seller apologizes, and refunds and the bidder returns (or doesn't bother to return) the "broken" item, and lo and behold, it's not even the same one sent to the bidder. This sort of garbage does happen. Read the boards and you'll see it.

I've had a couple of bad experiences with bidders and I'm glad I didn't leave them feedback right away. One of them tried to scam me and if I'd given him a positive from the get go, I'd not have been able to warn others away from him. Bidders can give you all kinds of problems, even though they pay fast so leaving a positive immediately only tells one thing........ya, the guy is a fast payer, but doesn't tell anyone that the guy was a crook who emailed you with rude and profane emails every hour on the hour.
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acurael
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I'm 99% sure that Canadian sellers are covered by PayPal protection - assuming you do all the things you're supposed to - confirmed addy; online proof of delivery, etc.
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treasure-pot
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Chris, I leave feedback at the end of a transaction when the customer expresses satisfaction. I started out leaving feedback immediately after payment... switched to leaving feedback after the buyer left feedback.... switched back for a three month period... now I've switched back again.

Too many buyers use feedback the wrong way. If USPS is slow this week - neg the seller. Package tied up in Customs - neg the seller. Didn't read the whole auction description so the product is not what they imagined - neg the seller. Received a reminder for payment from the seller - neg the seller.

I'm not sure the use of the word "blackmail" is even remotely accurate. eBay suggests feedback be left by both parties at the conclusion of the transaction. Where does blackmail enter into it? Payment by the buyer doesn't even come close to the end for most sellers. There is still that period of time before the buyer receives his or her widget that so much can, and sometimes does, go wrong.

For example, I shipped an item two weeks ago by small packet to Hawaii. My emails are clear as to the time frame involved for delivery to the islands. Last night I receive an email from the buyer demanding to know where their item is and that I had better respond within 24 hours or face negative feedback. How do you respond to a buyer with that attitude? My response was that I had previously emailed the shipping time frame and that a review of our previous emails would reveal that he still needed to be patient. I also pointed out the I am always happy to respond to emailed questions but that I have an allergic reaction to feedback threats so his were not appreciated. I pointed out that after 3 years on eBay I was not going to toss a part of my livelihood away by attempting to steal his $16. I also asked that we keep our emails business like as it would be unfortunate for us to both get a neg over miscommunication. Today I received a one word apology from him. Moral of the story... maybe my words had an impact or maybe it was the idea that our transaction could be reduced to a couple of negs that caused him to rethink - and you know what? Who cares?

Feedback is a personal thing. If you feel comfortable leaving feedback the moment a buyer closes your auction - go for it. If you prefer to leave glowing feedback the moment the coins hit your Paypal account - more power to you. Some of us prefer to leave feedback until the end of a transaction and that should be no less a valid opinion.

There are probably as many valid negs left by sellers for poor buyers as there are negs left by buyers for poor sellers but tainting a valid opinion with a word like "blackmail" seems a little harsh, doesn't it?

Bill


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deltone
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VERY well put treasure!! Can't argue with one thing you said! I totally agree with all of it!!!

Acurael........yes, as long as you do the delivery confirmation etc. but for the items I send (only charging $2 shipping) I cannot meet that criteria. To charge more for shipping the items would price me out of the game and I'd not be competitive, so no, I am not covered by seller protection.
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deltone
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Oh, and check out this link. Here's one perfect example of a nightmare bidder you would hope you didn't leave feedback for as soon as he paid.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jsp?forum=113&thread=2332988&modifed=20031006185832
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off_to_uni
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95% of my customers are as good as gold but the other 5% can be hostile, immature, scammers, idiots etc..

Here is a quick list of some of the problems I have recently faced with some problem buyers.

1. Mailed a purchase to a buyer, buyer said they never received it so I sent another, the second one was returned due to unknown person. Confirmed address again with hostile customer, they finally realize that their address they have been giving me isn't complete so I resend the item to the full complete address... finally arrives. Never find out what happened to the first item sent to the wrong address. Cost me 2 products and 3 shipping costs but I had already left positive feedback for the buyer and was concerned about receiving a negative... thankfully they left a positive. Likely 1-2 of my items I mail out are returned each month due to the person moving or for some reason not knowing their correct mailing address.

2. Scammer bought a 2003 software item from me, I only had one, sent it out to the buyer, they email about a week later telling me the software arrived but it was the 2002 version... impossible since I only ever had one of these items and it was 2003, the exact same product as scanned and posted on the auction page. I email the buyer back and point out that it had to be 2003 and gave the reasons why, never heard back from the scammer again.

3. I have had 2 bounced checks, one buyer came good with payment, the other is playing dodge ball with me at this very moment.

And there are many more problems a seller can have with a buyer... Including scammers and thieves. All veteran sellers have dealt with them, whether they know it or not is another matter.

Buyers who don't seem to read the auction page and think they are getting something else. I have had people buy PC games and email me when the item arrives and ask to return the item because they thought it was for Macintosh or PS2... lol. Could be a legitimate mistake or they have burned the software and now are trying to get their money back.

I felt uncomfortable at first switching to leaving positive feedbacks only after I know the customer is happy but I had to many problems and now I am comfortable doing it this way and would have done it this way from the beginning knowing what I know now.

Cheers,

James
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deltone
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Geez James, for a minute there I thought you'd been peeking at my emails as some of what you were talking about sounds like some of the stuff I've gone through recently. I feel exactly as you do. There are too many fruitcakes out there and I want to minimize problems. I received 2 negs within around a week of each other back in June, and both were from newbies one of which was quick and impatient (and a liar) and the other was a scammer who wasn't successful in scamming me (he is now naru'd). I still ended up with two negatives (my only ones) but at least I was able to warn others about their lying cheating ways.

I'll be getting another negative and time now from other scammer and there isn't much I can do about it but one thing that will take a bit of the sting out of it is the fact that I can reciprocate and warn others.
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off_to_uni
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Hi Deltone,

It's good not to be alone, even though it means others are dealing with wankers too.

I just received 2 emails from buyers, one is threatening negative feedback because an older PC game I sold him won't run on windows XP, which I never said it would. The other one is funny and I will copy and past what they said to me below.

"sorry but i have to cancel my order we are getting a divorce and he has stopped all accounts"

I could write a book of bad NPB excuses.
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Hey fellow PS'ers, honestly I am not one to focus very much on negative customers, I just deal with them the quickest way possible and move on. Besides, in the big scheme of things, how many bad ones do you get really? At one time in my life, I worked as a pizza delivery guy. I was always amazed at how my fellow drivers spent so much time fuming over a bad tip. I'd say 8 out of 10 times we would get a good or even great tip. But most guys would spend the next 3 days with their blood boiling over those 2 negative experiences instead of focusing on the 8 positive experiences which were making the overall experience quite profitable. Too much wasted energy on negatives!!!

With that being said, I do have an opinion on this "when to leave feedback" subject. As sellers, whether its ebay or paypal policies, we are on our own out there, while buyers have all kinds of protection. My policy almost from day one is to only leave feedback once the buyer has left feedback for me. No exceptions. Just paying for an item no where near means a buyer has fulfilled their obligations. Just read the posts listed here for all the reason why a customer can "go bad" after they have paid. Anyone who has sold seriously on ebay knows that there are many special people out there who will pull anything to try and get something for nothing. In my book, feedback is the only recourse I have, and I hang on to that card until the very end.

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deltone
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James............LOL at that divorce one. Not that divorce is funny but sheesh, why don't they just say they don't want it and be done with it. Sheesh!!



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catseye*
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I sell in a tough category (clothing).

I do two things. I NEVER mention feedback...after all, it is VOLUNTARY.

...and my auction manager leaves feedback for the bidder when it sees positive left for me.

ebay recommends that feedback be left when the transaction is complete. That means I need to hear from the bidder, either to work out any issues, or to leave feedback.




*JMHO* - to be taken with a grain of salt!
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momosworld
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My thoughts exactly catseye,

I also sell in a tough category (cellular & electronics) and therefore we wait for feedback first before leaving feedback, if everyone left a feedback, our rating would be @ 30,000+ right now but unfortunatly its very hard.

I spoke to a few pinks in ebay live in Florida and they told me the same thing, that feedback should be left after the entire transaction is over, not just because the buyer paid fast, so big deal, we ship fast but its the post that takes so damn long.

momo.


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