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10-06-2003 03:15 PM
What is everyones feedback policies?
We leave feedback right after payment and have gotten some neg feedback from some jokers. We reply to these but what is everyone elses policies.
Just curious.
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10-06-2003 05:33 PM
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10-06-2003 06:42 PM
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10-06-2003 07:00 PM
I think that when buyer pays, he did his part of the deal and deserve feedback!
If you give a good service, they will do the same for you!
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10-06-2003 07:38 PM
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10-06-2003 09:17 PM
I have only had to leave negs for peeps who did not pay their bill. The items were still sitting here so I relisted. Only one kook called me 9 months later and asked me where his stuff was. I said, "Probably Texas".

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10-06-2003 10:44 PM
I used to leave positive feedback for buyers once their payment was received but 3 months ago I started only returning feedback. There are simply to many problematic customers out there.
One of the drawbacks though is I used to get around 75% feedback from buyers and now it's about 65%.
Cheers,
James
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10-06-2003 11:43 PM
From the negatives posted by sellers that I have come across when checking on some of my buyers feedback, it seems to me that many negs posted by sellers are simply retaliation for what on the face of it appears to be a reasonable complaint from the buyer - I don't like the idea of holding that "blackmail" over a buyer.
Chris.
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10-07-2003 12:08 AM
I have very liberal policies of returns and sending a second parcel if the person says he didn't get the first one I sent so I don't consider it as blackmail withholding feedback until the transaction is complete.
There are many loonies out there and as a Canadian using Paypal and having no seller protection with regards to these purchases, I'm not about to put all the aces in the buyer's hand.
Scenario....buyer pays by Paypal within minutes of auction end, so seller immediately leaves feedback. What can you say about this bidder other than he pays quickly. That's not the only thing that makes a bidder a good eBayer. So immediately seller sends the parcel. Let's say it's a dvd, or a collectible item. So, a few days later the bidder emails seller with a rude email saying you sent me a broken collectible, or a dvd that doesn't work. Seller apologizes, and refunds and the bidder returns (or doesn't bother to return) the "broken" item, and lo and behold, it's not even the same one sent to the bidder. This sort of garbage does happen. Read the boards and you'll see it.
I've had a couple of bad experiences with bidders and I'm glad I didn't leave them feedback right away. One of them tried to scam me and if I'd given him a positive from the get go, I'd not have been able to warn others away from him. Bidders can give you all kinds of problems, even though they pay fast so leaving a positive immediately only tells one thing........ya, the guy is a fast payer, but doesn't tell anyone that the guy was a crook who emailed you with rude and profane emails every hour on the hour.
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10-07-2003 12:41 AM
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10-07-2003 12:45 AM
Too many buyers use feedback the wrong way. If USPS is slow this week - neg the seller. Package tied up in Customs - neg the seller. Didn't read the whole auction description so the product is not what they imagined - neg the seller. Received a reminder for payment from the seller - neg the seller.
I'm not sure the use of the word "blackmail" is even remotely accurate. eBay suggests feedback be left by both parties at the conclusion of the transaction. Where does blackmail enter into it? Payment by the buyer doesn't even come close to the end for most sellers. There is still that period of time before the buyer receives his or her widget that so much can, and sometimes does, go wrong.
For example, I shipped an item two weeks ago by small packet to Hawaii. My emails are clear as to the time frame involved for delivery to the islands. Last night I receive an email from the buyer demanding to know where their item is and that I had better respond within 24 hours or face negative feedback. How do you respond to a buyer with that attitude? My response was that I had previously emailed the shipping time frame and that a review of our previous emails would reveal that he still needed to be patient. I also pointed out the I am always happy to respond to emailed questions but that I have an allergic reaction to feedback threats so his were not appreciated. I pointed out that after 3 years on eBay I was not going to toss a part of my livelihood away by attempting to steal his $16. I also asked that we keep our emails business like as it would be unfortunate for us to both get a neg over miscommunication. Today I received a one word apology from him. Moral of the story... maybe my words had an impact or maybe it was the idea that our transaction could be reduced to a couple of negs that caused him to rethink - and you know what? Who cares?
Feedback is a personal thing. If you feel comfortable leaving feedback the moment a buyer closes your auction - go for it. If you prefer to leave glowing feedback the moment the coins hit your Paypal account - more power to you. Some of us prefer to leave feedback until the end of a transaction and that should be no less a valid opinion.
There are probably as many valid negs left by sellers for poor buyers as there are negs left by buyers for poor sellers but tainting a valid opinion with a word like "blackmail" seems a little harsh, doesn't it?
Bill
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10-07-2003 01:15 AM
Acurael........yes, as long as you do the delivery confirmation etc. but for the items I send (only charging $2 shipping) I cannot meet that criteria. To charge more for shipping the items would price me out of the game and I'd not be competitive, so no, I am not covered by seller protection.
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10-07-2003 02:03 AM
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jsp?forum=113&thread=2332988&modifed=20031006185832
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10-07-2003 03:41 AM
Here is a quick list of some of the problems I have recently faced with some problem buyers.
1. Mailed a purchase to a buyer, buyer said they never received it so I sent another, the second one was returned due to unknown person. Confirmed address again with hostile customer, they finally realize that their address they have been giving me isn't complete so I resend the item to the full complete address... finally arrives. Never find out what happened to the first item sent to the wrong address. Cost me 2 products and 3 shipping costs but I had already left positive feedback for the buyer and was concerned about receiving a negative... thankfully they left a positive. Likely 1-2 of my items I mail out are returned each month due to the person moving or for some reason not knowing their correct mailing address.
2. Scammer bought a 2003 software item from me, I only had one, sent it out to the buyer, they email about a week later telling me the software arrived but it was the 2002 version... impossible since I only ever had one of these items and it was 2003, the exact same product as scanned and posted on the auction page. I email the buyer back and point out that it had to be 2003 and gave the reasons why, never heard back from the scammer again.
3. I have had 2 bounced checks, one buyer came good with payment, the other is playing dodge ball with me at this very moment.
And there are many more problems a seller can have with a buyer... Including scammers and thieves. All veteran sellers have dealt with them, whether they know it or not is another matter.
Buyers who don't seem to read the auction page and think they are getting something else. I have had people buy PC games and email me when the item arrives and ask to return the item because they thought it was for Macintosh or PS2... lol. Could be a legitimate mistake or they have burned the software and now are trying to get their money back.
I felt uncomfortable at first switching to leaving positive feedbacks only after I know the customer is happy but I had to many problems and now I am comfortable doing it this way and would have done it this way from the beginning knowing what I know now.
Cheers,
James
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10-07-2003 09:59 AM
I'll be getting another negative and time now from other scammer and there isn't much I can do about it but one thing that will take a bit of the sting out of it is the fact that I can reciprocate and warn others.
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10-07-2003 05:11 PM
It's good not to be alone, even though it means others are dealing with wankers too.
I just received 2 emails from buyers, one is threatening negative feedback because an older PC game I sold him won't run on windows XP, which I never said it would. The other one is funny and I will copy and past what they said to me below.
"sorry but i have to cancel my order we are getting a divorce and he has stopped all accounts"
I could write a book of bad NPB excuses.
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10-07-2003 09:37 PM
With that being said, I do have an opinion on this "when to leave feedback" subject. As sellers, whether its ebay or paypal policies, we are on our own out there, while buyers have all kinds of protection. My policy almost from day one is to only leave feedback once the buyer has left feedback for me. No exceptions. Just paying for an item no where near means a buyer has fulfilled their obligations. Just read the posts listed here for all the reason why a customer can "go bad" after they have paid. Anyone who has sold seriously on ebay knows that there are many special people out there who will pull anything to try and get something for nothing. In my book, feedback is the only recourse I have, and I hang on to that card until the very end.
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10-07-2003 09:40 PM
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10-08-2003 12:52 PM
I do two things. I NEVER mention feedback...after all, it is VOLUNTARY.
...and my auction manager leaves feedback for the bidder when it sees positive left for me.
ebay recommends that feedback be left when the transaction is complete. That means I need to hear from the bidder, either to work out any issues, or to leave feedback.

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10-08-2003 01:07 PM
I also sell in a tough category (cellular & electronics) and therefore we wait for feedback first before leaving feedback, if everyone left a feedback, our rating would be @ 30,000+ right now but unfortunatly its very hard.
I spoke to a few pinks in ebay live in Florida and they told me the same thing, that feedback should be left after the entire transaction is over, not just because the buyer paid fast, so big deal, we ship fast but its the post that takes so damn long.
momo.
