08-19-2015 08:04 AM
08-23-2015 11:07 AM
@73rhc wrote:OMG! If it's so bloody awful. Why are you still here???
Do you want a really honest answer or are you just joining the chorus of voices claiming eBay has no problems that it has created?
I'm here because I believe eBay could be so much more than it has become as a result of a lot of ill-conceived ideas. I keep hoping someone at HQ might wake up and smell the coffee. I am an optimist by nature.
And of course because I'm still able to make a profit, albeit less than any previous year. That part has been the result of my own efforts in adapting, working around, and adjusting, i.e. largely despite, not thanks to, the various hurdles and complexities eBay has seen fit to construct on this site. I remain hopeful for eBay's potential, I just wish they'd hurry up.
08-23-2015 11:14 AM
@rose-dee wrote:
And of course because I'm still able to make a profit,
Rose, this isn't meant to be offensive. Just realistic. The time you spend here on this board sorting through your issues with eBay trying to improve your profit margin have to be calculated into the number of hours you work / week.
08-23-2015 11:35 AM
I can express my own opinion. I don't need to jump on any bandwagon.
You can be optimistic, all that you want. But optimism and negativity is poisonous.
I, on the other hand, am more of a realist. Does eBay have it's hurdles, of course! Am I going to dwell on them. NO! It is what it is, and I move on. I will never allow it to consume me!
08-23-2015 12:18 PM
@sylviebee wrote:Rose, this isn't meant to be offensive. Just realistic. The time you spend here on this board sorting through your issues with eBay trying to improve your profit margin have to be calculated into the number of hours you work / week.
Well, I think I've said this before, but I have the luxury of typing about 120wpm, which means I can type about as fast as most people speak. So inputting a few paragraphs is a matter of just a few minutes.
Normally I spend a half hour or so most mornings checking out the boards and responding on interesting threads. I find it helpful for my own work, and I also like to help new sellers if I can.
This week unfortunately it's been so unbearably hot and humid here that without air conditioning, it's impossible to do any design or drafting work. I've just about listed my limit for this month, so I'm taking a bit of a summer vacation to chat.
I think some people need to lighten up...
08-23-2015 12:29 PM
@73rhc wrote:
You can be optimistic, all that you want. But optimism and negativity is poisonous.
I, on the other hand, am more of a realist. Does eBay have it's hurdles, of course! Am I going to dwell on them. NO! It is what it is, and I move on. I will never allow it to consume me!
Analysis isn't the same as negativity, my friend. That's where you mistake me. I find analysis useful in making decisions that affect my selling. Ask any analyst. Companies pay 6 figures for people to do such problem-searching and problem-solving work. Gee, maybe there's a job for me at eBay!
Believe me, I'm very much a realist where eBay is concerned; I've stopped expecting favours long ago. I take action and make changes that have still kept me selling profitably, albeit at a lower level. Realism and optimism aren't mutually exclusive. And if one simply says eBay just is what it is and accepts without questioning, sooner or later the ship sails away.
I'm not sure why my views and conclusions have stirred up such vitriol, but you can all have fun amongst yourselves for a while! I'm going to have a cold drink and turn on all the fans in the house.
08-23-2015 04:27 PM
I dislike repeating myself, but I'll say it again: I didn't make the following decisions, eBay did, and each of these factors has had an impact on my business here:
How did this impact your business? Are you saying that someone would buy something from you because they had visited your 'me' pages? If so, how do you know that?
You could have easily solved that problem months ago but you chose not to. I can understand why sellers that want to sell in Cdn $ or who use calculated shipping or who have hundreds or thousands of listing will not change but you're not in that situation. You've given your reasons for not wanting to change and although I'm sure you believe they are very valid, the emphasis that you place on the cart leads me to believe that having your customers being able to use the cart would benefit you far more than any reasons that you gave for staying on .ca. Ultimately it is your decision but ebay is willing to give you access to the .com cart, it is you that is not willing to take them up on it.
I agree that was a bad move on ebay's part but has it affected anyone's business? Perhaps...
I fail to see how that has impacted your business. How many returns have you had in the last few months?
That probably did affect all of us for at least a while. But I am beginning to wonder if t is possible for ANY site to totally protect the information on it.
They changed some of your photo's and it adversely affected your business?
Obviously I can't put myself in your shoes but when I look at your list about how ebay has impacted your business, many of them seem to be things that have impacted your perception about your business on ebay, not necessarily concrete things that have affected your sales.
08-23-2015 04:35 PM
Analysis isn't the same as negativity, my friend.
I don't want to offend but do you seem to be dwelling on too many things that are out of your control and that does lead to
negativity.
08-24-2015 09:37 AM
"Actually Pierre, I'm afraid you did say eBay is disinterested by claiming eBay is just a venue and nothing more. You've misunderstood the English meaning of that word "
???
How can I have misunderstood the meaning of a word ("disinterested") that I did NOT used. You did.
I wrote "eBay is just a venue and nothing more". And I meant just that. There is no need to put words in my mouth. Most readers understand the exact meaning of my words.
eBay is a venue with rules and policies like all other venues.
Sellers chose to use or not use the venue to sell their "stuff". Sellers determine how they want to sell (auction style or fixed price), the duration of their listings, the price they want, the shipping method and charge (within specific limitations), their return policy, their payment policy (within limitations), their handling time and are given the option to use as many words and images as they want in their description. Some write books thinking it will help their sales (they are wrong) or protect them from abuse and fraud (they are wrong again).
Buyers decide what they will buy and from whom they will buy it. If buyers prefer to buy from "large" sellers, that is their choice.
Finally we all agree that eBay is not perfect. No venue is. Successful sellers have learned to adapt to a constantly changing marketplace.
08-24-2015 09:50 AM
@rose-dee wrote:
@73rhc wrote:
You can be optimistic, all that you want. But optimism and negativity is poisonous.
I, on the other hand, am more of a realist. Does eBay have it's hurdles, of course! Am I going to dwell on them. NO! It is what it is, and I move on. I will never allow it to consume me!
Analysis isn't the same as negativity, my friend. That's where you mistake me. I find analysis useful in making decisions that affect my selling. Ask any analyst. Companies pay 6 figures for people to do such problem-searching and problem-solving work. Gee, maybe there's a job for me at eBay!
Believe me, I'm very much a realist where eBay is concerned; I've stopped expecting favours long ago. I take action and make changes that have still kept me selling profitably, albeit at a lower level. Realism and optimism aren't mutually exclusive. And if one simply says eBay just is what it is and accepts without questioning, sooner or later the ship sails away.
I'm not sure why my views and conclusions have stirred up such vitriol, but you can all have fun amongst yourselves for a while! I'm going to have a cold drink and turn on all the fans in the house.
Firstly, I'm flabbergasted that you ever expected favours, in the first place. This is a business, not a social club.
I never claimed that realism and optimism were in any way exclusive. I said that optimism and negativity, combined, is poisonous.
Lastly, not wanting to make this an attack, but you keep blaming eBay for everything. Possibly most here don't want to say it, but your sale are lower, because there is little demand for your items. One can love and be passionate about their items and category. But that doesn't make for consumer demand. I expect that you will disagree and we will go around in circles, once again.
08-24-2015 01:01 PM
I thought people here were colleagues of a sort, perhaps I was wrong to believe so. I must say the insults, sarcasm, patronizing, snide and snarky remarks here haven't originated with me.
Winning friends and influencing people isn't done very effectively by such means, which have sadly become a habit with some of the more frequent posters on these boards. There is often a real undercurrent of sarcasm and denigration from certain corners that must look very ugly and unpleasant from the outside. I always wonder how many newcomers that sort of negative, sniping attitude must scare off from participating. Frankly, if I were new, I'd be intimidated too.
I hardly know how to respond to some of the unnecessarily mean-spirited comments thrown my way simply because I'm setting out my views of eBay and trying to bring to light some criticisms of its issues, or because I point out differences in opinion. I won't in any case dignify those posts with a reply.
I'll reply to those that were courteous and reasonable, and I will say honestly if I have different views, whether or not I'm gang-jumped for them. I choose not to be intimidated and gagged by bullying.
I've said this on another thread, but it applies far more to this one.
08-24-2015 01:03 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
"This week unfortunately it's been so unbearably hot and humid here that without air conditioning, it's impossible to do any design or drafting work. I've just about listed my limit for this month, so I'm taking a bit of a summer vacation to chat. "
You forgot to mention that it is all eBay's fault, of course.
While eBay cannot be faulted for heat and humidity, the listing "limit" is their fault (I guess) and it is also clearly their fault that your cannot afford air conditioning, probably the result of your reduced sales activity. Shame on eBay for creating this totally unfair situation.
Q.E.D., case in point.
08-24-2015 02:15 PM
rose-dee wrote:
I thought people here were colleagues of a sort, perhaps I was wrong to believe so. I must say the insults, sarcasm, patronizing, snide and snarky remarks here haven't originated with me.
Winning friends and influencing people isn't done very effectively by such means, which have sadly become a habit with some of the more frequent posters on these boards. There is often a real undercurrent of sarcasm and denigration from certain corners that must look very ugly and unpleasant from the outside. I always wonder how many newcomers that sort of negative, sniping attitude must scare off from participating. Frankly, if I were new, I'd be intimidated too.
I hardly know how to respond to some of the unnecessarily mean-spirited comments thrown my way simply because I'm setting out my views of eBay and trying to bring to light some criticisms of its issues, or because I point out differences in opinion. I won't in any case dignify those posts with a reply.
I'll reply to those that were courteous and reasonable, and I will say honestly if I have different views, whether or not I'm gang-jumped for them. I choose not to be intimidated and gagged by bullying.
I've said this on another thread, but it applies far more to this one.
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If any remarks were mean, sarcastic and/or denigrating, I think that they would be removed by the moderators. As this is against the discussion board policy. I think the remarks have been to the point.
I, also wonder, how many new comers come to these boards. And see the doom and gloom, Teflon attitude about selling on eBay. And how many have been discouraged because of it?
One can decide to ignore the real issues, on these boards. But can you really ignore the realities?
I have roughly 450 items listed. I get a couple of sales a week, if I'm lucky. This is not eBays fault. I know that my items will be on there for a very long time. As the demand is low. It's not rocket science. I'm in for the long haul. If I wanted to put the time and effort to sell more, I would sell different items. That is the reality!
08-24-2015 03:02 PM
I'm not sure whether you were honestly curious about my reasons, 'pj', or indulging in finding more specific ways to be sure what I've said can't stand, but I'm going to assume the former.
I do have good reasons for decisions I make with regard to my business. They are usually rational conclusions drawn from observation, experience and experimenting. If they're wrong and clearly need adjusting, I do so.
It's taken a few years to get to the point of having made adjustments that worked well for my particular type of eBay selling and my particular buyers, and I've been happy with the results, pretty much up until this year (with the exception of losses from the "cart disconnect").
I must say that more effort on my part has gone into getting those results (for some of the reasons I listed) than was the case previously. It's perplexing to see a fairly sudden downturn that I really can't explain by my own actions or inaction.
Be that as it may, I still maintain that the points I posted earlier, i.e. certain decisions or changes by eBay, have contributed to making it more difficult to attract buyers and to maintain sales levels. Not the whole picture, doubtless, but a fair share. As I've said earlier, although eBay represents only about 1/3rd of my income now, I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to interpret and understand policy, identify and work around flaws, and sort out the best strategies. It is a challenge, far more so than the other sites on which I sell.
Why do I stay? Because I started here, because there are still many advantages to listing here, because of the high profile visibility, and because I believe eBay might be a better place for sellers like me if the right changes were made. However, I've been in a wait-and-see mode since 2013 as more and more complexities are added to the mix by eBay.
So, to respond to the specific points you raised:
1. The "Me" page:
"Are you saying that someone would buy something from you because they had visited your 'me' pages? If so, how do you know that?"
Yes, actually. Ominiture told me that was the case, and my buyers often remarked on how knowing my processes helped them to decide on a purchase, or that they simply appreciated the information there. In my fairly unique area, fostering direct customer relationships is everything -- I invite them to ask any questions once they purchase one of my patterns, they send me photos and share their results, and I point them to my Photo Gallery, my website and other public pages.
I used to be able to do this all in one great place. It was a point of personal contact and helped to make me a "real person" in buyer's eyes, not just a store name, a very important factor in my line of work. It helped to bring customers back (at least until it was removed). I've had few returning customers since. So yes, it's quite reasonable to conclude that it has had a significant impact.
2. The "Cart Disconnect":
"You could have easily solved that problem months ago but you chose not to. [...] You've given your reasons for not wanting to change and although I'm sure you believe they are very valid...[...]"
In fact, I've chosen not to switch up to this point, not because I was simply being obstinate or blind, but because I've been running tests, asking questions, discussing other options and weighing the monetary and other impacts of each choice (none of them wholly satisfactory as an alternative to what I now have) in order to make a reasonable decision. I also delayed, frankly, in the hope that eBay might make some changes with time, despite the warnings we got to the contrary from Raphael et al.
Making any one decision will entail loss of a number of features or options I like and/or a significant monetary loss. They may not seem entirely valid considerations to you, but they are to me. It's a question of what benefits I want to give up in order to obtain a potential, not a guaranteed, increase in sales to make those losses worthwhile. It could conceivably make things worse. That's not an easy decision to make, and as I've said, I've spent a lot of effort organizing my business on .ca to my best advantage. If I give that up, I want to be fairly sure I've chosen the least disadvantageous of the three options for my particular situation.
After recently hearing 'mjwl's' very clear explanation of the relationship between listing in $Cdn and the .com buying experience, I thought listing exclusively in $Cdn would be the best route. However, I'm still considering listing on .com, although you might not believe that. If I do, it will be an experimental period. If it gets results, I'll stay.
I'm setting out these explanations at some length in the hope it might help others in considering their options. There are real disadvantages to leaving .ca for many sellers.
3. The "Contact Seller" link:
My view on this is similar to #1 above.
4. Returns:
Thankfully, bad return experiences or losses haven't touched me yet, but certainly could have if a few occurrences I recall had happened today.
I'll give you an example of what I mean by returns being handled as sellers see fit. In one instance, long before the MBG was introduced and before the "Contact Seller" button removed, I sold a finished skirt (a design sample of mine) to a U.S. buyer. She either mis-read the detailed size description, or wanted the item so much that she overlooked the sizing, but in any event she contacted me directly and explained that the skirt didn't fit at all (her fault), and could she return it.
I said I'd be happy to have her return it via regular USPS and would refund in full on receipt, or I'd make her another one, to her specific measurements, if she'd be willing to cover the second shipping (by Small Packet). I did make her another, and she happily paid me for the shipping. She was delighted, and returned later to buy some patterns. That's what I mean by personal choices and personal service.
I doubt I could have worked out such a pleasant arrangement today without interference by the automated eBay returns system. Obviously few sellers are in my position of being able to make a replacement, but I imagine many are in the position of being able to replace an unwanted item with the same, or similar item. I don't know that the MBG can handle that concept. In any case, it was the personal contact and flexibility that made the difference. EBay had no involvement other than showing the refund on the sales record (this was before a full refund would create an automatic deficit, yet another reason sellers now avoid simply giving their buyers' money back).
I'm not unrealistic though. I recognize that eBay had to deal with bad sellers in this regard. My idea would be for eBay to allow sellers with a certain level of proven service and perhaps a given number of transactions/years as a seller, deal directly, on their own chosen terms, with returns. I don't think that's such a bad compromise, but I doubt we'll ever see it.
5. Cyber Attack(s):
"That probably did affect all of us for at least a while." Actually, you may remember the S.E.C. eBay report to which I posted a link and some comments a while ago. Re-read those comments with respect to the cyber attack. There is an entire section devoted to it in the S.E.C. document, and you'll see that eBay took it as having had a very significant impact. Exactly what that means, who knows. They talk about having to "gain back buyer trust" as a result, so it must have been a considerable issue.
"But I am beginning to wonder if t is possible for ANY site to totally protect the information on it."
That is a real concern these days, of course, but I think some sites do a much better job of it than others. For example, I don't recall the Royal Bank having had a direct intrusion on its site (someone may correct me here if I'm wrong). They have a "double security" sign-in, actually triple-security: debit card number, password, and answer to 1 of 3 randomly rotating security questions.
I don't know why eBay never instituted a security-question sign-in, and I fault them for that. Although in signing in to eBay.ca, a week or two ago, I was asked to set some security questions. This was the only time I'd encountered this in nearly 15 years on eBay. I believe Raphael's explanation was that it was intended as a means of retrieving forgotten passwords, but why now suddenly? And why not previously, to provide another, quite simple, level of protection for its users?
6. Altering Seller Photos:
"They changed some of your photo's and it adversely affected your business?"
No, of course not. However, this -- as well as the recently-discovered "paraphrasing" of sellers' descriptive text on mobile devices -- is market interference, and if they are implemented on a regular basis, they most definitely will have an impact on sellers' businesses. The potential actually is quite concerning, particularly if eBay (well, the robotic programmes that do the work) makes wrong decisions. I don't think eBay should be involved in altering or revising seller content, period.
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"... not necessarily concrete things that have affected your sales". I think you misunderstand. I'm pointing out areas where I believe eBay has made bad decisions, or can improve. They don't need to be concrete, just reasonably connected. Can anyone on eBay show with certainty that any one factor has affected sales? I doubt it. But we can make rational deductions (there's that word again).
It is possible to recognize factors that have a potential or possibility of a detrimental effect on sales. Some I have been able to quantify in my case. As a whole, they most certainly will have some effect on the sales of quite a number of sellers.
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I've responded at length here because I hope others will accept that I do have reasonable cause to make certain choices, and that my views -- even if they diverge from the usual posters' opinions -- could help others, especially "boutique" sellers, make the choices that are best for their own businesses.
I'm taking a rare "holiday" of sorts from my usual work this week due to the hot weather, which some people here seem to find objectionable or cause for criticism for some unfathomable reason, but explains why I'm here on the boards. At least until the next electrical storm threatens to fry my laptop.