I just got a paypal chargeback...

chrispenner
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because she wanted it to wear at Christmas and she did not get it time.. is this allowed!! The mail service is SO not my fault.. it was shipped small packet and if she had told me she wanted in time I could have sent it UPS.. but she did not!!!
I don't have a tracking # and paypal only gives me 3 choices, refund the money, prove that I already refunded the money or give a tracking #...

so now she is going to have the sweater (which she says she will not mail back when she gets it since I caused her "such hardship") and she keeps the money too!!
can I do nothing? have any of you ever had this happen!!!!!!!
thanks for letting me vent!
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
Bummer - on Christmas eve too!
I'm not exactly sure, but I think she is obligated to return the goods if she does not wish to be open to charges of theft/mail fraud. The problem, of course, is getting her to admit it when she does receive the package. If she continues to claim non-receipt you are SOL. Try emailing PS support with a copy of the email in which she states she will not return the item.
Good Luck!
Ann
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amberwoodottawa
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You can tell her that what she is doing is theft and it is a criminal offence. Advise her that you will be filing charges with her local police department as you have sufficient documentation to support your allegatins. You can tell her that if she feels that she suffered damages as a result of the transaction, she can take you to small claims court tp prove ger case however what she is doing is nothing more than theft and you intend to prosecute her to the full extent of the law.

Give her 5 days to return the sweater and without giving her any more notice, contact the police department where she resides. At the very least make her life miserable and scare the bejeebers out of her.

Malcolm

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jaymor8
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Hi Kathleen - I have no sage advice to offer but I want to add to your comments by saying that I find the 'chargeback' unconscionable. I can't believe that this is even an option. It is a perfect setup for a seller to get screwed up the wazoo.

It makes no sense to me at all. Because the nature of the business is based mainly on trust, it is open season against one aspect of the transaction when one side is given all of the control. Keeping the goods AND the money is total control. Ebay, you really need to rethink this capability because it is too fraught with complications and it's all one sided to boot.

Good luck Kathleen!

Jackie...
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kpamber
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And, file a complaint with ebay...this is fraud.
Karen
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deltone
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I had this happen to me back in June. I was furious because this guy left me a neg then did the chargeback thing and something about the way the guy was conducting himself led me to believe he had in fact received the dvd. I looked up his address again, and luckily he lived in a fairly small city (not NYC or Chicago sized) and I then checked the internet for the chamber of commerce information and found out through 411 the address & number of his local district attorney's office, local police dept. and found out the name of his local Post Master with the USPS.

I had to refund his money with Paypal as it didn't want to get the extra charge with Paypal if you don't voluntarily refund and I then emailed him and I told him I had spoken to his local USPS (and I provided the address and phone # to add credibility to my story) and that they were looking into the possibility of fraud, and I told him I was awaiting their response and was proceeding with contacting the DA's office to press fraud charges, as well as the police dept. Again, I included the address's etc. I think something about them recognizing certain address's and area codes that leads them to believe you're serious.

Anyhow, miraculously, it seemed that he did in fact receive the dvd after he received my email. Took me a few more days but he finally refunded my money via Paypal. Sadly I was stuck with the neg from this pond scum, but I got him back anyway. He was a zero feedback. I decided to not immediately leave him a neg as he'd just start over with a new id. I kept my eye on his id for a couple of months. Sure enough he did a couple of sales and he received a few positives. I then went in for the kill and left him a neg. Boy, was he angry. He emailed me a real nasty note telling me I was messing with the wrong person and he was going to get back at me.

I didn't appreciate his threat so I dug a little deeper and I noticed that there was some obvious shill bidding going on between him and his few sales and feedbacks so I reported him to ebay for shill bidding. Although they (ebay) don't confirm anything to the "reporter" within a day or so, both id's were naruu'd so I did finally get some satisfaction. If I were you I'd try bluffing this guy that you are going to file fraud charges. It does tend to scare people if they are indeed trying to pull a fast one. GOOD LUCK!!!
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chrispenner
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deltone--
I LOVE what you did to him! that is a super Idea!
I will look up all the info and see what she says to that!

I am mad in two ways.. 1. for her taking me, an honest seller, for a ride and 2. for paypal letting her!

thanks for all the great advice guys I sure do appreciate it

I would love to hear what the paypal rep has to say about this!!!

I am seriously considering ont taking paypal because of this!
Kathleen
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mahsauction
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As far as I understand, if you don't ship with a tracking number (like UPS) to a US Confirmed Address you are not covered with Sellers Protection.
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ospreylinks
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It appears to me that unless you deliver it yourself, take a picture of you handing the parcel to the receipient and then having a Notary sign off the authenticity of the picture, you are not covered.

After hearing the stories here, I now use Paypal with a hope and a prayer....

Jeff
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itrecovery
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Same here. No protection whatsoever.

I'm not accepting paypal for high ticket items anymore. Nobody complained so far, which is surprising for me.
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deltone
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I'm actually glad I started using Paypal. I've had well over 500 transactions and so far this was the only fraud so not bad odds really. Yes, we're very vulnerable to the fraud accepting Paypal but I do think that most people are honest. I seirously doubt I'd use it for high ticket items though unless the buyer springs for the expensive shipping costs to do the delivery comfirmation.
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ospreylinks
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Deltone, you are right. The risk versus reward is probably pretty small. Same risk of chargeback occurs by taking CC's in any form (self processing, online processing, Paypal).

I guess what is frustrating is that Paypal announces various seller protections to entice vendors to promote it, then it appears that very little support is offered once a buyer has an issue.

Jeff
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