Insurance Fraud OMG

I bought an item for $600 and it didn't arrive.  It was shipped with tracking of sorts and showed as being lost at the border.

Very Odd.

 

The seller made me wait 45 days for a refund but about a weak ago she refunded and I completed the insurance form.

She must have received her refund a few days ago.

 

I just saw that the item is listed again under a different seller's name.

 

This 100% guaranteed the same item.

No doubt.

 

Man............ what a scam.

 

I called shipsurance but it's Saturday and still early in California.

I wonder if they can recover their money?

 

 

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That's possible…………..

 

However, the item was shipped by an experienced seller and she didn't cut corners when packaging this expensive item.

  

The other oddity is that it was posted back on eBay in such a short period of time.

I believe the rule of thumb is to keep items for 7 months before putting them into a postal auction.

 

My item was already listed for re-sale in well under 2 months.

For it to get from the PO back to eBay in that short amount of time means they didn't hold it at all.

 

(BTW……….: What happened to the spell  check?)

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@i*m-still-here wrote:

 

However, the item was shipped by an experienced seller and she didn't cut corners when packaging this expensive item.

  

 


How can you determine that without having seen her packaging job?

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Logic.

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.............. and communication.

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@i*m-still-here wrote:

.............. and communication.


Many people think they pack well when in fact they pack items very poorly.

 

 

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I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. Please accept my condolences.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. Please accept my condolences.


PJ, that is very kind of you.

 

Thank You very much for the message.

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I don't believe it was packed portly.  This experienced seller with her own web-site told me she shipped in a box.  In many many years of buying I've received only one item that had slipped from the packaging.

 

Even so…………  if it had slipped from the package ……….. wouldn't they hold the item for 7 months?

They should have had both the item and the package but not together, and they should have held them for some time.

 

If it was in fact bought at an auction as the second seller told me it was, then the PO shot it out the door almost on the day it arrived.

 

Also, there is no damage tot he piece other than what was reported in the original listing and so it was well cared for along the line.

 

Once I get grounded again I'l call the PO once more, but I expect a dead end.

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The price from the original seller (in USA) was $600.

 

What was the price you paid for the same item from the second seller (in Ontario)?

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Just want to say: You might see me on W-5 yet.  If I had more time I'd be very tempted to contact them.

 

I just had the report from the Ombudsman on this.

 

There was a long detailed report and I have to say that a lot of time was taken to put it together.

 

However, the report consisted of a very detailed account of the events as I reported them in addition to a list of all the phone calls and traces conducted by me and the seller.

 

There was no investigation whatsoever.

 

I have the feeling that the whole process was a lot like when the police investigate the police.

 

For an investigation to be meaningful they should have determined if the item actually went auction.

 

Not that complicated.  Auction Houses document all their items and would have a receipt of the sale if is was in fact sold at auction.

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@i*m-still-here wrote:

 

I just had the report from the Ombudsman on this.

 

 


 Which Ombudsman?

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Which ombudsman?

 

I didn't know I had a choice.

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You don't even know what organization your Ombudsman works for?

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Of Course I know, but when you ask which ombudsman your question implies that I can choose which organization to complain to.

 

I didn't know I had a choice..... :).

 

 

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The price from the original seller (in USA) was $600.

 

What was the price you paid for the same item from the second seller (in Ontario)?

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Less.

 

Are you asking because you're wondering if I got a break?

 

I did, but I would much rather have had the item arrive the first time around.

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Thing is, I received a very detailed report and I can see that they put a lot of time into it.

 

The report consists of my emails to them and my phone calls.  They must have recorded the calls because the report is very accurate.

In addition to that they also transcribed a record of all the traces we conducted.

 

To that they added nothing.

 

There was no investigation.

 

It wouldn't have taken much to contact the auction house where they release CPO items to see if it was sold at auction.

Auction houses catalogue everything and they would have a receipt for the sale as well.

 

They didn't even bother to do that and it would have taken about 15 minutes of their time and yielded some real answers.

 

It's almost like they didn't want to know.

 

If it wasn't sold at the CPO auction like the second seller said it was, then that points to theft.

If it was sold at auction then there is clearly a problem at the CPO because it would have been released for auction within a week and not seven months as they claim.

 

Just like when the police investigate the police.

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From Canada Post 2012 Annual Report:

 

As Canada Post’s Ombudsman, I provide the
final level of appeal for customers who feel
the Corporation has not lived up to its
service commitments. The Office of the
Ombudsman is independent of Canada Post
staff and management, and reports directly
to the chairman of the Board of Directors.
Investigations are fair and unbiased. The
merits of each complaint are assessed and
an equitable resolution is found. I also
recommend potential service improvements
and report on appeals under theCanadian
Postal Service Charter
.
In 2012, my office received 6,482 appeals, of which we investigated 2,720. Many
appeals do not trigger an investigation because some customers appeal to the
Ombudsman before allowing the Corporation to complete its review of their
complaints. Other appeals are withdrawn or not investigated because customers
are unable to provide sufficient information.
 
I personally oversee each investigation and approve every resolution. Outcomes
can include steps to improve compliance to procedures, financial compensation
or an explanation for denying an appeal. An overview of complaints and
investigations in 2012 is included in our Annual Report, which is available
atwww.ombudsman.postescanadapost.ca
.
As a result of significant improvements by Canada Post to on-time delivery,
security of the mail and online access to customer service, my office received
29per cent fewer appeals in 2012. Almost two-thirds of appeal resolutions
required Canada Post to take corrective action. The remaining complaints
were found to be without merit.
The most significant issues investigated in2012 involved the loss or theft of
goods or documents while in the postal system or immediately after delivery.
I issued five recommendations to Canada Post to reduce the number of cases and mitigate the effect on customers.
We received 1,780 appeals related to the Canadian Postal Service Charter in
2012, a 67-per-cent decline from 2011. We investigated 909 appeals around the
expectation that “Canada Post will provide an extensive network for accessing postal services,” a 78-per-cent reduction from 2011. The reduction was due to improvements Canada Post made to its customer service call centre and website. In 2012, we investigated 37 per cent fewer cases regarding security and privacy of the mail than in 2011.
 
Francine Conn
Ombudsman
 
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Pierre, I read your post but I'm not sure what your point is for posting it.

 

In my case they did an investigation, or that's what they called it.

It's clear that they put a  lot of time into it.

 

My point is that the investigation is a farce.

 

What they are calling an investigation in my case is simply a rehashing of events.

 

 

 

 

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I just received an email telling me that they've re-opened the case because I complained.

 

On the one hand I'm tired of it and wish I'd just walked away because I don't want to cause trouble.

On the other hand I don't understand why they didn't do the obvious the first time around instead of just rehashing the sequence of events to me.

 

That is:  Was the item released to an auction house by the CPO and sold at auction or not?

 

That's the only thing that matters and the only thing they didn't bother to check out.

 

 

 

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