
01-16-2021 10:35 AM
Provided valid tracking from Canada Ontario to PA USA buyer
Buyer received refund via eBay 2 days after filing.
Shipped Dec 18, buyer refunded on January 15...
Item still in transit......
I have appealed with photos of the receipt with the tracking number and buyers postal code with the date block stating the 18th on it...
Still have heard nothing from eBay even after speaking to them.
Anyone else ever had this happen?
01-16-2021 11:56 AM
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01-16-2021 12:11 PM
Just so we're clear tracking information your saying doesn't matter cause it doesn't prove delivery?
01-16-2021 12:19 PM
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01-16-2021 12:33 PM
This Experience has changed my opinion of eBay and Its policy surrounding seller protection. A tracked package still in transit means it's coming to you and eBay should not refund a buyer before the package arrives to the destination especially when proof has been requested and supplied.
I have half a mind to repost every desirable item I have with the item description outlining the conduct and behaviour of eBay on this matter.
I think I almost have a duty to let the greater seller community that eBay does not side with sellers even with proof /valid tracking that shows the item moving to it's destination.
01-16-2021 12:40 PM
01-16-2021 12:43 PM
I strongly suggest you do not do this:
"I have half a mind to repost every desirable item I have with the item description outlining the conduct and behaviour of eBay on this matter.
I think I almost have a duty to let the greater seller community that eBay does not side with sellers even with proof /valid tracking that shows the item moving to it's destination."
If I'm a buyer I don't care what protection ebay provides to you the seller, I only care what it provides to me as a buyer and I'd avoid any sellers with this kind of wording in their descriptions....
01-16-2021 12:50 PM
01-16-2021 12:59 PM - edited 01-16-2021 01:13 PM
eBay eh.. done
01-16-2021 01:21 PM
The hard part for us all, is not to forget the other 99.5% of successful transactions.
Generally we remember the very most frustrating and costly losses (even though for most of us they are very rare) and we also like to take them personally even though we shouldn't.
Even in my "safe" stamp world, I've had buyers claim no receipt then I later see them selling the stamps they never received. It is very frustrating and VERY hard to forget, but the rare problem buyers have always been out there, they were probably even worse in the B&M world.
Depending on one's category one has to also factor in the "loss rate" in their margins, losses are simply another part of the cost of selling (online or otherwise).
How one reacts with the buyer before, during and after the case has been opened can help a lot to reduce the losses as in the % that do repay, however that also depends a lot on the selling category.
These boards, as very helpful that they are, also help taint our view of ebay, the shipping companies and buyers because it is only the problems that ever show up here. Every day we see lost packages, broken shipments, buyer frauds, ebay glitches and it tends to make our brains think that ALL buyers are criminals, the PO can't deliver anything or if they do it is broken, ebay never works right etc. This is of course not the case, but we never see or hear much about the overwhelming majority of successful transactions.
(Just to be absolutely clear I think these boards are awesome.)
As others mentioned above, don't give up on this just yet, once it actually does arrive there is the chance that the buyer will repay and/or talking with eBay may also provide a resolution.
01-16-2021 01:51 PM - edited 01-16-2021 01:52 PM
Lengthy post in reply: I feel your pain on this one. The exact same thing happened to me yesterday. Item ($103.00 with shipping) sent from Saskatchewan on December 7. Tracking # provided to buyer. Item processed in Edmonton on December 29.
Received message from Ebay:
01-16-2021 02:24 PM - edited 01-16-2021 02:27 PM
@705-jvs-den wrote:This Experience has changed my opinion of eBay and Its policy surrounding seller protection. A tracked package still in transit means it's coming to you and eBay should not refund a buyer before the package arrives to the destination especially when proof has been requested and supplied.
Wait, what? Why and how would the seller give a refund for an undamaged, accurately described item that's reached its destination?
I appreciate that this development is upsetting for you, but you're not the only seller that's misunderstood what protections are available to them.
Tracking actually isn't really what eBay or PayPal want in the event of a buyer claim. Most of the time, it doesn't matter where the item has been last scanned while in transit. What they want is proof that the buyer's claim of non-delivery is bogus. In other words, they want proof of delivery. (In the case of an unauthorized payment claim, proof that the item was shipped to the provided address will suffice, but that's often not obtainable.)
If your item doesn't get delivered and your buyer gets refunded, the seller files an insurance claim or dips into their virtual cookie jar that was filled with small amounts from their handling charge to cover circumstances like this. That's how losses get covered. Or else they're considered the cost of doing business, just like a brick and mortar retailer factors in a certain amount of "shrinkage" into their business plan.
If the tracking information for your item on the USPS website states that the item is still "in transit" but delayed (or actual words to that effect), you may have grounds for an appeal. If the scans don't have this wording, there's no differentiating it from an item that's disappeared in transit.
Remember, your buyer's complaint is that they didn't receive the item, not that you didn't send it.
As has been said so well earlier, you've had loads of sales that have gone by the book (probably more or less) for you. This setback will sting a bit, but if you're doing reasonably well with eBay, it's not going to cripple it by any stretch of the imagination. Not every sale is going to work out and make money. It's how business works.
01-16-2021 03:35 PM
After a lengthy conversation with eBay the appeal was resent as the agent AGREED the case had merit as the package is still moving slowly.
Btw The buyer never contacted me once to ask anything just jumped on the refund button.
Agent also said if the case remains in buyers favour wait till it's delivered then resend a new appeal.
I'm not letting this one go....
01-16-2021 03:49 PM - edited 01-16-2021 03:50 PM
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01-16-2021 06:23 PM
The biggest problem is eBay is not keeping track of actual shipping times, according to the postal carriers.. Their delivery standards are still the same, but Canada post has removed all guarantee's.. And refunds for late delivery's .. So as sellers we are paying for a service and not getting it.. eBay need s to update the dates of expected delivery to reflect the real world,, During the pandemic, no one should be able to file for an item not received while it is still in transit..
or at least say 3 weeks with no update that would be reasonable.. then file.. but i am sure everyone of us seller's could pick a point were something went awal for 2 weeks, then magically reappeared..
I have an item that was received in Quebec on the 5th of January, no update since then..
So ebay has to be in touch better with the postal services, to say, O.k. there is heavy lag time in Quebec, we better add more days to this order..