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@cottagewoman wrote:
As per executive order update - see below.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/amendment-to-duties-to-address-the-flow-of-i...

Thanks for the update, I saw this first when I was at work earlier today...

 

I emailed my contact at Stallion for confirmation they can still process shipments (as they have been doing before), the response I got back was that they're confirming with their brokers and CBP that the de minimis is still in place, and the amount it's set at, and then they are going to notify all their customers by email with an update.

 

I just got home and haven't received the confirmation  yet, but I assume it's coming either tonight or tomorrow.

 

C.

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For now at least till they can figure how to manage it. 

 

https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/de-minimis-canada-mexico-trump-delay/741361/

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From Stallion: 

 

We wanted to provide you with an update on the ongoing tariff situation. Based on the latest announcement from the White House (link here) and our conversation with CBP today, it looks like Section 321 (the de minimis program) remains unaffected for now. This means Stallion shipments will not be impacted by the new tariffs set to take effect tomorrow.

 

That being said, we are still awaiting final confirmation. We will be closely monitoring shipments and will send you a 100% confirmed update first thing in the morning once we successfully process shipments across the border.

 

If there are no changes, we’ll also reactivate our FBA cross-border shipping service on the Stallion portal tomorrow.

 

Please stay tuned for tomorrow’s update, and let us know if you have any questions.

 

Best,
The Stallion Team

 

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The US gets an insane amount of de minimis packages per year….1.3 billion! One stat says they would need to hire and train 22,000 CBP officers to have any hope of processing that size of workload. Is that going to happen with all the government cuts going on in the States? I suspect there will be some sort of change to the threshold but I can’t see them getting rid of it completely. Maybe they will lower it to the previous level of $200 or just apply it to China since the main issue they say they are trying to tackle is fentanyl.
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Several of my packages are now late and in transit since almost 4 weeks - all with open USPS search request. If they remove the de minimis, the average transit time from Canada to the US will be 8 to 14 months 😀 

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@steve-02 wrote:
The US gets an insane amount of de minimis packages per year….1.3 billion! One stat says they would need to hire and train 22,000 CBP officers to have any hope of processing that size of workload. Is that going to happen with all the government cuts going on in the States? I suspect there will be some sort of change to the threshold but I can’t see them getting rid of it completely. Maybe they will lower it to the previous level of $200 or just apply it to China since the main issue they say they are trying to tackle is fentanyl.

I suspect they'll require that all incoming packages have duty prepaid (Trump will claim it means the exporter pays, which I suppose is technically true even though the importer would really be doing so at checkout). They'll probably increase the workforce a little to spot check more packages, but I can't see them manually doing all the work for every package. It would be next to impossible and they'd probably lose more money than they'd make if they did.

 

The nice thing for us, assuming that's what happens, is it should force eBay to collect the tariffs at checkout. That means we won't get mad buyers (just fewer buyers). Maybe it'll even spur the Canadian government to require the same for duty and tax, which could put a theoretical end to brokerage charges. Trump keeping the de minimis would be better for us of course, but I can't see it happening.

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Are you putting the tariff code and country of origin on the label?

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@nhl_automotive wrote:

Are you putting the tariff code and country of origin on the label?


Yes, both. 

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A lot of articles I'm reading don't really specify... Does anyone know if this affects country of origin Canada goods or is it any and all goods transiting from Canada? Thought it's country of origin since that's what HTS codes are based on, but the media makes it sound like it's any and all goods coming from Canada regardless of CoO.

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Just clarified with my customs broker that this tariff affects only Canadian, Mexican and Chinese made goods. If made somewhere else but shipping from Canada, those additional duties do not apply.

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@38e_avenue wrote:

Several of my packages are now late and in transit since almost 4 weeks - all with open USPS search request. If they remove the de minimis, the average transit time from Canada to the US will be 8 to 14 months 😀 


 
 

I think your late packages are in this pile...somewhere!!!

 

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Eliminating de minimis would also pose significant challenges for delivery giants such as FedEx, UPS, and the USPS. Currently, Klage explains, these services act as the importer of record for de minimis shipments, simply checking a box with customs before delivering the package — no duties owed, no extra costs, and no delays for customers. Without duty-free entry, they would either be responsible for paying the duties themselves, or be forced into a complicated customs process to transfer power of attorney to the end customer, who would then be required to cover the charges instead.

"And that seems like a complete impossibility," he says. "Just start to picture what that looks like from a manpower perspective, and think about all of the angry phone calls FedEx is now going to be getting from individuals all over the country. Then you get shipments that are stuck and can't deliver because there's no power of attorney to make the clearance."

 

But, that doesn't mean changing de minimis for the better in some way is impossible, says Ben Tzion. He believes that, once the dust settles, a more likely scenario is one where the exemption threshold is reduced from $800 to somewhere around $250, and predicts that, eventually, businesses will adapt as CBP irons out the kinks. Klage adds that any new system would need to "completely rethink the tariff system," while simplifying the process for collecting the duties themselves, removing bureaucratic barriers for delivery services, and taking the necessary time to build out the infrastructure needed to support these systems. 

"I think that's the only way to actually have it generate positive revenue for the government, and to not have commerce grind to a halt," Klage says. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMrWPWY_vVI

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or be forced into a complicated customs process to transfer power of attorney to the end customer, who would then be required to cover the charges instead.

"And that seems like a complete impossibility," he says. "

 

Which was what happened with a $20Cdn de minimus until circa 2021.

The CBSA just ignored low value packages, because it cost the taxpayer more to process the package than the government got in import fees.

The couriers like UPS were forced by law to assess and collect the fees, leading to a base "customs brokerage" fee of $25 on top of the cost of goods (even if it were $20 Cdn) and the actual duty (usually under 5%) and sales taxes (up to 15%).

Somewhere archived is a thread of protest on this over 5000 posts long.

 

assuming that's what happens, is it should force eBay to collect the tariffs at checkout. That means we won't get mad buyers (just fewer buyers). Maybe it'll even spur the Canadian government to require the same for duty and tax, which could put a theoretical end to brokerage charges.

Buyers are being charged state taxes already.

Without a huge outcry.

Adding duty should be possible.

 

From eBay's point of view, if the buyer is paying import fees at checkout, they can charge us selling fees on a larger amount.

Poot.

 

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yes, thats what I think will likely end up happening as well.  I have no evidence to support this but I think ebay, because their Canadian market is a drop in the bucket to them, may choose to offload the tariff onto us entirely in order to avoid driving American customers away.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.  

 

The bigger train wreck I'm waiting to see is with the North American automotive industry, omg if people think this de minimis stuff is going to be a disaster, just watch and see whats going to happen there.  

 

Theres no way the US government now they are in full shed civil servants mode that they will develop a plan to hire and train 22,000 employees to process these items, that would be tantamount to admitting they were wrong or didnt think this through properly, and they'll never do that.   Making America Stupid For The First Time Ever. 

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

or be forced into a complicated customs process to transfer power of attorney to the end customer, who would then be required to cover the charges instead.

"And that seems like a complete impossibility," he says. "

 

Which was what happened with a $20Cdn de minimus until circa 2021.

The CBSA just ignored low value packages, because it cost the taxpayer more to process the package than the government got in import fees.

The couriers like UPS were forced by law to assess and collect the fees, leading to a base "customs brokerage" fee of $25 on top of the cost of goods (even if it were $20 Cdn) and the actual duty (usually under 5%) and sales taxes (up to 15%).

Somewhere archived is a thread of protest on this over 5000 posts long.

 

assuming that's what happens, is it should force eBay to collect the tariffs at checkout. That means we won't get mad buyers (just fewer buyers). Maybe it'll even spur the Canadian government to require the same for duty and tax, which could put a theoretical end to brokerage charges.

Buyers are being charged state taxes already.

Without a huge outcry.

Adding duty should be possible.

 

From eBay's point of view, if the buyer is paying import fees at checkout, they can charge us selling fees on a larger amount.

Poot.

 


@reallynicestamps 

My fear/worry exactly. Selling fees have become totally out of hand basing them on state/provincial/VAT and shipping being factored in. We don't need 1 more thing added to FVF's, especially something that is  the buyers responsibility.  Full stop. And would we have any guarantees it would collected accurately or documented properly? Not likely!!!

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@darak10 wrote:

yes, thats what I think will likely end up happening as well.  I have no evidence to support this but I think ebay, because their Canadian market is a drop in the bucket to them, may choose to offload the tariff onto us entirely in order to avoid driving American customers away.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.  

 

The bigger train wreck I'm waiting to see is with the North American automotive industry, omg if people think this de minimis stuff is going to be a disaster, just watch and see whats going to happen there.  

 

Theres no way the US government now they are in full shed civil servants mode that they will develop a plan to hire and train 22,000 employees to process these items, that would be tantamount to admitting they were wrong or didnt think this through properly, and they'll never do that.   Making America Stupid For The First Time Ever. 


@darak10 

 

It really depends on the end game. Which changes hourly.  Is it a way to inhibit trade, generate revenue  or  block fentanyl from coming into the country? Several of those would require actual physical inspections of goods arriving on both sides of the border. If there were problems with supply chains during the pandemic, how much worse will this make it going forward? Oh right and everything costing more. We keep forgetting that tidbit!!!

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It's a way to put Donnie's face on the news.

Constantly.

That's what he wants, nothing more.

And he listens to those who tell him he is wonderful, not to those who explain the facts to him.

Don't overestimate Donnie.

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I've no preferred party or leader, but I'm glad that our prime minister hasn't bowed his knee one iota in his dealings. I wish the UK and the French PMs hadn't patted the orange arm so much. I know their mission was very different re Ukraine.
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@cottagewoman 

A form of "good cop, bad cop".

Donnie dislikes Trudeau because he is younger, handsomer, has good hair, is smarter, and both Melania and Ivanka have warm feelings for him.

Macron is shorter than Trump and Mrs. Macron is older than her husband.

And Starmer is the doorway to visiting the King.

So Trump will allow them more leeway.

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Another point to add, the CBP is already short staffed by about 5000 workers.
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