07-10-2024 03:41 PM - edited 07-10-2024 03:42 PM
Hi all,
Has anyone had this occur? If so how one could be reimbursed as the chat bot isn't helpful?
On June 24 I rec'd an order for one ball cap. I shipped it via Expedited Lite. See email receipt.
I was billed $8.75 for the label and on June 26 the money ($8.75) came out of my Adyen balance.
On June 27 eBay took $9.80 out of Adyen for the same ball cap order with the same order number and the same tracking number. No 2nd label was printed, label price is different and eBay never sent a 2nd label receipt or any surcharge transaction.
Not sure if it's relevant but apparently the package size was changed on printing by eBay to 5 x 5 x5 cm. The box was 21 x 16 x 12cms. The total weight was under 200 grams.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
07-10-2024 04:05 PM
When I enter those dimensions on one of my transactions the expedited lite option disappears so is it possible that the correct dimensions were not entered when you made the label? It sounds like they charged you extra for the difference between an expedited lite and an expedited label.
I'm not sure exactly how they figure out the maximum expedited lite dimensions as others have also complained that they were charged extra later on. But 21x16x12 is more than 4,000 cm. I think that it needs to be less than 3220?
07-10-2024 04:05 PM
The 5 x 5 x 5 has been the default paste every one of those shipments gets. It's been pointed out but never corrected. Whatever the formula CP uses for cubing is not passing down the line to eBay labels appropriately. So IF or WHEN cubing kicks it comes as a rebill after the fact. Type in 205 grams and blocks immediately from being allowable service.
In doing a bit more digging regarding the Fedex up charges, US sellers do see a revised invoice explaining a reason for it with basic details to the why. I guess something they didn't think worth including for ca sellers.
I have seen a few since switching over to ebay labels from Shippo. All very tiny discrepancies so no big deal. Unfortunately the charge only connects to the original bill. The double bill in your case is strange. Might be a good time to talk to Facebook for business and see if you can get an explanation. CP will pass you back to ebay. Almost a given!!
-Lotz
07-10-2024 04:22 PM
Thanks Lotz!
07-10-2024 04:39 PM
Thank you pjcdn2005,
Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing if incorrect dimensions were entered to qualify for an Expedited Lite label. As @lotzofuniquegoodies pointed out eBay prints the wrong dimensions on the labels. I don't think the original label form is retrievable.
The box was an eBay 8 x 6 x 4" which is 21/16/12cm. You are right about the max being 3220cubic cm so possibly that's what the 2nd charge is. It went from Kelowna to Ft. McMurray. The 2 labels combined would be $18.55 so you are about right if they billed for EXP instead of Exp Lt.
The cubic cms is enough evidence to say there's no point in persuing a refund. I probably entered the dimensions correctly but I will try it again with the next label and see if I get to expedited lite or if the service is blocked.
The buyer left me some nice feedback so there was a bonus after all.
Thank you!
07-10-2024 05:03 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:Thanks Lotz!
With Expedited as an example - Canada/USA when cubing kicks in and the labels prints it shows the cubed weight so we should be able to assume that the correct rate was applied as long as the measurements are correct. Years ago ago...not sure how long it did show both actual and dim weight. How it worked for couriers too with the shipping software. That way you could bill your customer shipping correctly and not worry about problems after the fact. When they removed that data it just is causing confusion for sellers. For a revised bill for shipping to seller, there is no reason for it not to include a clear explanation. It's like being quoted 500.oo for a repair and being charged on pickup 1200 mysteriously.
07-10-2024 07:35 PM - edited 07-10-2024 07:36 PM
Whether it was a gliche or a revision of service the extra $9.80 isn't enough to spend time on. The additional bill should have some explanation. I keep a balanced set of books. The only indication something was amiss was a $9.80 shortage in my account. I wasted time looking for the discrepancy before spotting the additional charge had the same order number & tracking as the other charge. S there goes my time and $10 not to mention trying to get an explanation from eBay.
To be fair eBay does state this on the receipt "
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The problem being the email receipt is called "Shipment Details" but doesn't include the weight and dimensions entered and you can't recall the original form. You can reprint the label but eBay puts the wrong diminsions on it.. They like to stick the knife in and then twist it...Ha ha.
07-10-2024 11:12 PM
@intimewithmusic In your case, the issue is absolutely the size of the box. I don't know why it allowed you to buy the label while entering those dimensions though.
That being said, over the past month I've had 3 expedited lite labels get upcharged. I know all three were within the size and weight limits (one of them significantly under). I've tried emailing the eBay labels team close to a month ago and got no response. I tried messaging @devon@ebay about a week ago and got no response (Actually, it seems like he's been missing for a while now. Does anyone know if he still works for eBay or is maybe just on vacation?). If you need to dispute a label, you may need to contact eBay through social media.
My local post office has had a few new people recently hired. I'm wondering if they may have processed the labels as returns instead of normal shipments (it's happened to me in the past under my Canada Post SfSB account). If it's reclassified, that would explain the difference in charges.
07-10-2024 11:49 PM
@flipistics wrote:@intimewithmusic In your case, the issue is absolutely the size of the box. I don't know why it allowed you to buy the label while entering those dimensions though.
That being said, over the past month I've had 3 expedited lite labels get upcharged. I know all three were within the size and weight limits (one of them significantly under). I've tried emailing the eBay labels team close to a month ago and got no response. I tried messaging @devon@ebay about a week ago and got no response (Actually, it seems like he's been missing for a while now. Does anyone know if he still works for eBay or is maybe just on vacation?). If you need to dispute a label, you may need to contact eBay through social media.
My local post office has had a few new people recently hired. I'm wondering if they may have processed the labels as returns instead of normal shipments (it's happened to me in the past under my Canada Post SfSB account). If it's reclassified, that would explain the difference in charges.
Devon does appear to be MIA. Last post was around 27th of last month.
Any above and beyond measurements should AUTOMAGICALLY appy the standard Expedited rate right at that point and or blocking you when it goes over. As for the Lite rate that should be attached to the account number on the label which belongs only to eBay. We are just worker bees with access.
Side note: There is a post on Reddit from last year asking about the 5 x 5 x 5 issue.
CP had a test run of a Expedited Liteweight version...started May 2023...Good up to 250 grams but as far as I know that was turfed/tossed to curb/put out to pasture/beyond its expiry date/died an immediate painful death around 6 weeks ago. Link to discussion attached. Link to CP is disabled.
-Lots
07-11-2024 12:51 AM
This is the disclaimer that was attached to the CP offering.
This "was" the disclaimer for expedited lightweight as per cp when it was released.
Yes. These reduced rates have a limit of an actual or volumetric weight of 250 g or less (0.5 lb) for Expedited Parcel . You will be charged for any extra weight at regular rates. Find out how to calculate the volumetric weight of your package.
Along with the nay nay to air stage offices.
07-11-2024 04:33 AM
You're quoting Canada Post details for the anyone-can-use expedited extra discount for 250g and under which Canada Post recently ended.
Expedited Lite is eBay only for parcels 200g and under.
07-11-2024 02:30 PM
Perhaps ebay has the dimensions and weight on the expedited lite set up differently than what Canada Post has specified. Since we can't see the ebay/CP actual deal, it is impossible to know what is going on.
It is frustrating that these issues are not addressed by anyone.
Devon posted on the .com board on July 3.
07-11-2024 03:23 PM - edited 07-11-2024 03:28 PM
I thought something stank about this and it does!
@lotzofuniquegoodies @pjcdn2005 @ypdc_dennis @flipistics
First off thank you all for the helpful input! I dismissed this too soon and was willing to accept the idea "It's not eBay it's me". this wasn't me, it was eBay.
In the words of "Adrian Monk" "Here's what happened:
The box qualified for Expedited Lite in both size and weight. I simply got ripped off.
Since 1981 I've maintained proper shipping habits. All outgoing orders have an order ticket. All shipments get at least one photo of the package. The order ticket shows the details when the item was listed AND any changes to them when the item was shipped. the final package after labelling is weighed and checked to be under the label weight.
eBay provided no explanation for the 2nd and different billing with the same order and tracking number on the billiing. Their labels have erroneous package size information on them. That meant all of this has been speculation as to what happened. I did manage to end the speculation.
Here is a photo of the order ticket. You can see the outgoing height of the box is crossed out and changed from 12 cms to 9 cms at the time of shipping. Here's a picture of the package itself with the label on it. You can see the arrows at the folds showing the box was cut down in height by 3 cms. The cubic cms were in fact 3024 and much less than the max for Exp Lite of 3220.
I remembered having to Frankenbox this to come in under the Exp Lite max. It was a NOS vintage hat that deserved a box not a bubble mailer. Cost me money for the good service but the buyer appreciated it and gave me great feedback.
In summary eBay rippoed me off. It's not worth the $10 bucks trying to get their attention. Reading thru the kind replies it's clear eBay "has left the building". Previously the small issue would have taken a quick chat with eBay or a friendly call for an adjustment. I thought other's might want to watch their billing.
Once again a big thank you for the input!
I'd like to add I don't use ANY of eBay's financial statements other than individual transaction details. I don't use monthly statements/ annual statements nudda. I use in house software and make entires on a transaction by transaction basis. eBay balances with me not the other way around. It's easy.
07-11-2024 05:26 PM
Your Order Ticket also indicates 200g, which is the max for Expedited Lite. A little extra tape, the label, labelope, or even that sticker you attached to the box could easily bump it up above 200g.
In the end, these are just automatic charges made by a Canada Post computer sorting/processing and passed along to eBay to be charged to the customer. There's a risk of this happening whenever your package is very close to the maximum dimensions for a particular service. It's even possible that if you had the item inducted at a post office that their scale was off by a bit and it registered as more than 200g when being originated - it's very easy for those scales to get out of whack by a few grams and need to be zeroed out every once in a while.
07-11-2024 08:47 PM - edited 07-11-2024 09:03 PM
No, that's not true. Like I said I've been doing this for more than 40 years. All packages are only weighed after tape, labels, stickers etc. It's also checked to be sure it's under any possible scale error (ours or Canada Post's) for a minimum margin for error of 25 - 50 grams. I actually over pay Canada Post.
Here's what I specifically said, " The order ticket shows the details when the item was listed AND any changes to them when the item was shipped. the final package after labelling is weighed and checked to be under the label weight. "
I've never found it necessary to put 199 grams on a label to qualify for EXP Lite. Has anyone else?
Almost all our Exp lite labels have a weight indicating 200g for shipments of 150 grams. Because eBay charged me giving no explanation it's speculation it was for an alternate service. I think if the unexpected came from Snap Ship on my credit card there would have been a reason given.
07-11-2024 09:32 PM
I included a photo of eBays invoice in the first post. They don't give a reason for the double billing.
Do you know if I had bought the label from Snap Ship and they charged extra to my credit card do they give any reason? There should be something so a book keeper can expense it properly and ideally a breakdown showing the GST. I think that comes with Snap Ship.
Something else occured to me about the destination. A little less than a year ago you had the same problem and posted to see if the destination might have been excuded from CP Exp Lite. I don't see any solution in that thread. This package went to Fort MacMurray. Is it possible Fort MacMurray is excluded from Exp Lite ?
Thanks
Here is a link to the thread.
07-11-2024 10:43 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:I included a photo of eBays invoice in the first post. They don't give a reason for the double billing.
Do you know if I had bought the label from Snap Ship and they charged extra to my credit card do they give any reason? There should be something so a book keeper can expense it properly and ideally a breakdown showing the GST. I think that comes with Snap Ship.
Something else occured to me about the destination. A little less than a year ago you had the same problem and posted to see if the destination might have been excuded from CP Exp Lite. I don't see any solution in that thread. This package went to Fort MacMurray. Is it possible Fort MacMurray is excluded from Exp Lite ?
Thanks
Here is a link to the thread.
The only exceptions for expedited lite "should" be the air stage offices. Those are available at the CP website. Fort Mac would be a standard not affected point. I believe it works the same way from my testing of rates with Expedited. Discount is less. In a pinch when items will fit you could still use the prepaid products and hopefully make a small amount of savings.
Here is how it looks to dot com sellers when a revised bill comes through for UPS. Just too bad they can't use the same practices for ca sellers.
07-11-2024 11:09 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:Something else occured to me about the destination. A little less than a year ago you had the same problem and posted to see if the destination might have been excuded from CP Exp Lite. I don't see any solution in that thread. This package went to Fort MacMurray. Is it possible Fort MacMurray is excluded from Exp Lite ?
No, that isn't possible - as Lotz said it's likely just Air Stage offices. If the destination was excluded from Expedited Lite it wouldn't have even given you the option to pay the Expedited Lite price based on the destination postal code.
If your items weigh 150 g I would be entering the weight as 150 g when printing the label, not 200.
07-12-2024 11:26 AM
Thanks for confirmation the destination wasn't a problem. As far as Canada Post's part we will never know. Possibly the CP employee left a donut on the scale. The issues are there is no category expense on eBay's invoice. There is no efficient way to recover the $9.80 from them if it is an error. There is no GST tax breakdown on the transaction.
You didn't answer if Snap Ship would clarify these charges if it processed a chargeback. I think the answer is yes Snap Ship does. Lotz has indicated other eBay partners clarify chargebacks. Many want to know what charges are for and what taxes are being applied.
This is why we voted GST in back in the 80's because Canadians, particularly the western provinces, wanted to know what they were paying for and who was getting their money. We did fall under the HST system as the eastern provinces had but it was very quickly thrown out by referendum because we want to know what we're charged and who is getting the money. I think this is what Lotz has been pointing out in many of his posts.
07-12-2024 04:04 PM
I agree that there should be a reason given as to why a person is charged more later on.
But more specific than the example Lotz has posted. The reason 'additional handling' could be a number of things so even that is not specific as it should be.