@brettjet38 wrote:@marnotom! "P stamp on an envelope will count as 92 cents towards the postage paid for the letter."
No. it counts as a $1.07 towards the postage for the letter, I know I do it
So for an oversized letter I use one P stamp (1.07) and stamps to make up the other .87c = $1.94
Every single "P" stamp has the value of the current postal rate $1.07.
What are PERMANENT stamps and where can I use them?The PERMANENT™ stamp, identified with the letter P in place of a value, is always accepted at the current domestic postage price ($1.07).
If you buy a PERMANENT stamp today, you can use it anytime in the future.
One PERMANENT stamp can be used to mail a letter (weighing up to 30 grams) anywhere in Canada.
You can also use PERMANENT stamps (and it always has the current value) in conjunction with additional postage to mail larger letters, parcels or to send mail internationally.
Oh god, not this debate again. @marnotom! linked to the thread when this was last discussed - please go through that and read everything carefully. I made several posts in that thread, and provided clear reasoning and documentation to show that a Permanent 'P' stamp has a value of 92 cents (which is also the current Lettermail rate).
You can most easily find proof that the value of a Permanent stamp is 92 cents by navigating yourself to Canada Post's Price Sheets, selecting "Consumer (counter) prices" (last updated March 6, 2023), scrolling down to "Lettermail prices" (page 12 in the PDF) and reading the last line:
The Permanent™ stamp is a non-denominated stamp with a postage value of $0.92.
There it is. It says it right there. How can you argue with Canada Post's official documentation?
You seem to think that a Permanent 'P' stamp is somehow worth both 92 cents and $1.07 depending on the situation. Just think about this logically - why would Canada Post have a single stamp with multiple values? By your logic, I can buy a book of 10 stamps for $9.20 (excluding tax), meaning I'm paying 92 cents for each stamp. But those stamps I paid 92 cents for are actually worth $1.07? So I'm paying 92 cents for $1.07 in postage? Huh? How does that makes sense? If that's how it worked, everyone would just buy books of stamps for $9.20 (because they magically have a value of $10.70 after purchase apparently), apply the stamps to their parcels, and immediately get a 14% discount on postage. Lol no, I don't think so.
In my experience as a retail postal clerk, most of the confusion I've seen from people who believe what you do comes along because they are unaware this stamp exists:
This is the stamp you are given if you go into the post office and ask for a Single Stamp (i.e. the Single Stamp rate). Based on your logic, Canada Post has two stamps with the same value ($1.07 stamp + P stamp), but also one stamp with multiple values (P stamp is both 92 cents AND $1.07?).
Please, if you'd like to refute anything I'm saying, or argue any further, please post links/citations for whatever it is you're trying to say so it can be seen exactly where you're copying/pasting information from, and so we can try and explain to you why you're reasoning is incorrect. (although something tells me you're the type that is going to die on his/her hill and refuse to admit that you're wrong).
While your ultimate conclusions are correct (and to be clear: I'm on your side in this debate), I just need to make one point of clarification that seems to trip up a lot of people and causes much confusion.
@kawartha-ephemera wrote:
Pay attention, and carefully read the following.
When a person walks into the post office and buys a single P stamp over the counter their PURCHASE COST is 1.07 for that stamp. However, that same P stamp's POSTAGE VALUE does not equal the 1.07 PURCHASE COST.
There is no way to buy a single P stamp over the counter. Canada Post does not sell Permanent "P" stamps individually; only in coils/books/panes. When a person walks into the post office and asks for a single stamp they are given a stamp with a denomination of $1.07, which is the current Single Stamp Rate. They are not given a Permanent "P" stamp. This is what the Single Stamp Rate $1.07 stamp currently looks like:
Just like it is impossible to buy a single Permanent stamp, it is not possible to buy a coil/pane/booklet of $1.07 Single Stamp Rate stamps (they are meant to be sold only individually), which is why the differentiation between the two exists.
