How to avoid PayPal US$ to CAD$ convertion fees?
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01-16-2020 01:09 PM
Hey guys!
So most of my sales are in US$ and I'm a Canadian seller.
I opened a US$ bank account at RBC thinking I could transfer my US$ from PayPal to this account and avoid the currency exchange rate.
It appears even with a US$ bank account and transferring actual US$, PayPal STILL REQUIRES me to first convert them to CAD$. They won't let me avoid their convertion fees...
Is there any way I can work around this?
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01-16-2020 01:35 PM
You need a bank account that is actually based in the USA.

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01-16-2020 02:18 PM
I got the same result without having to open another bank account - you want to disable currency conversion - you used to be able to do it yourself but I can no longer find the option where it used to be so you might have to call them to do it - here's a link I found that explains it in detail:
https://www.roman-reviews.com/how-disable-paypal-currency-conversion-save-money-fees/
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01-16-2020 02:28 PM
The two easiest US based banks for Canadians are RBC Bank and TDNorth.
Both are part of Canadian banks and have some "snowbird" programs.
If you already have a TDCanada Trust or Royal Bank account, particularly a business account but not necessarily, ask for a meeting with one of the advisors to get one of those. It can be done from Canada.
The USA has a thing about residents of foreign countries holding US bank accounts. It's part of Homeland Security policies, but actually started with offshore gambling problems in the 20th century.
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01-16-2020 02:50 PM
Your listings are in Canadian dollars so you wouldn't have any conversion fees anyway. When a buyer pays an ebay seller, Paypal automatically transfers their funds into the listing currency and charges the buyer any conversion fees. The original poster's listings are in US$ so they are always paid in $US regardless of where the buyer is located. When they want to transfer their money to their Canadian bank account, it is converted at that time.
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01-16-2020 03:45 PM
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01-16-2020 06:28 PM
@vip-marketplace wrote:
You think if I get one of those US based bank account from RBC (as opposed to the US$ account they created for me this morning), I would be able to transfer actual US$ into it without PayPal forcing the conversion?
Yes! Any bank that operate under the US clearing house system will work.

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01-16-2020 06:33 PM
@femmefan1946 wrote:
The USA has a thing about residents of foreign countries holding US bank accounts. It's part of Homeland Security policies, but actually started with offshore gambling problems in the 20th century.
The only "thing" is that you need to prove your identity, easy in person, not so easy if not. Plus you need to provide one simple IRS form (W-8BEN) and you may have to update the form annually or bi-annually. Even if you don't file that form it only means that withholding tax applies to any interest earned in the account. On my US account the interest paid is so tiny that the witholding has never been more than a couple of pennies so I don't even bother with the form (you can use any amount that is withheld as a credit on your Canadian tax return).

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01-17-2020 07:51 AM
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01-17-2020 10:13 AM
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01-17-2020 10:23 AM
Why would I be OBLIGATED to convert my US$ to CAD$?
Is there a Canadian law that prevents Canadians from transfering US$?
If I have a Canadian bank account in US$, why wouldn't they let me transfer my US$ into it? The only reason I see is that they want to take their share (conversion fees).
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01-17-2020 01:17 PM
@vip-marketplace wrote:
I just called PayPal. Maybe the PayPal agent was wrong but he was positive that I would never by able to link a US bank account to my Canadian PayPal account... Is this true? Do you know a way around it?
Not true! Unless something has dramatically changed (without any type of notice).

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01-17-2020 01:22 PM
@vip-marketplace wrote:
The more I talk to them the more I think you're right.
Why would I be OBLIGATED to convert my US$ to CAD$?
Is there a Canadian law that prevents Canadians from transfering US$?
If I have a Canadian bank account in US$, why wouldn't they let me transfer my US$ into it? The only reason I see is that they want to take their share (conversion fees).
The systems PayPal use to transfer money from PayPal to a users bank account are not capable of transferring US funds to Canadian banks. It's not a "Canadian Law" but rather Canadian/US banking regulation and policy. The policies predate the existence of PayPal.

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01-17-2020 01:39 PM
Not directly.
What PP does is change the U$ to Cdn$, send the money to Canada where it is changed back into U$ and deposited in the U$dollar account.
Two sets of exchange fees.
What RBCBank does is send U$ to the Royal Bank, part of their company - bank to bank- then deposit the U$ in your Royal Bank U$ dollar account. One set of exchange fees.
If it were not possible to send U$ anywhere, the international banking system would be unable to use U$ at all, except in pallets of cash.
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01-17-2020 03:27 PM
@reallynicestamps wrote:Not directly.
What PP does is change the U$ to Cdn$, send the money to Canada where it is changed back into U$ and deposited in the U$dollar account.
Two sets of exchange fees.
What RBCBank does is send U$ to the Royal Bank, part of their company - bank to bank- then deposit the U$ in your Royal Bank U$ dollar account. One set of exchange fees.
If it were not possible to send U$ anywhere, the international banking system would be unable to use U$ at all, except in pallets of cash.
I never said it was not possible to send USD "anywhere", that is obviously not true. What I said was that the ACH (Automated Clearing House) system PayPal uses doesn't allow it.

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01-17-2020 03:51 PM
As others have said, easiest is to open a bank account in the USA. How far are you from the US border? As for PayPal, I've never had an issue adding US based bank accounts or credit cards, as well as Canadian based ones.
Now, all you've accomplished by doing this is to choose when/how your funds get converted to CND dollars. I pay me eBay fees in USD (but there's still a conversion from CND to USD by eBay). I buy a fair amount from the USA so I do that with USD from my US account. We also frequently vacation in the USA, so I can use those USD funds for that. But basically anything you can't figure out how to spend in the USA is going to get hit with exchange at some point....
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01-17-2020 05:12 PM
The primary reason I was using a US bank when I was still listing on .com (up until 2009) was to obtain far cheaper conversion rates using third-party exchange services. Instead of 2.5% (por more?) to PayPal it's possible to reduce that to about .75%, that and the ability to time the market meant an average savings of up to 3% on currency exchange (more during volatile periods).
I sell in Media, it was the .com shipping caps that motivated me to move all my eBay activity to .ca, I continued to list in US Dollars until that option went away and since then I only maintain the US account to pay for personal purchases and fees for third-party tools that are billed in US Dollars.

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01-17-2020 10:15 PM - edited 01-17-2020 10:24 PM
@vip-marketplace wrote:Hey guys!
So most of my sales are in US$ and I'm a Canadian seller.
I opened a US$ bank account at RBC thinking I could transfer my US$ from PayPal to this account and avoid the currency exchange rate.
It appears even with a US$ bank account and transferring actual US$, PayPal STILL REQUIRES me to first convert them to CAD$. They won't let me avoid their convertion fees...
Is there any way I can work around this?
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01-18-2020 03:04 AM
Simplest method is to spend the money on US$ purchases.
From eBay sellers who list in US$ to American companies that accept PayPal.
PayPal has changed it's rules several times over the years, so the age of your Paypal account may effect other methods. Grandmothered/grandfathered accounts get to keep old privileges.
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01-18-2020 11:38 AM
@ypdc_dennis wrote:Simplest method is to spend the money on US$ purchases.
From eBay sellers who list in US$ to American companies that accept PayPal.
PayPal has changed it's rules several times over the years, so the age of your Paypal account may effect other methods. Grandmothered/grandfathered accounts get to keep old privileges.
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This will not work if a person does not need to buy anything just to spend the US$. We are octogenarians and at this stage in our life we are not in need of accumulating anything and prefer to buy everyday needs locally. No waiting. No customs to deal with. No extra fees for cross border purchases. No shipping charges.
A PayPal account holder needs to link the PayPal account to an account of their choosing to be able to transfer funds out of PayPal. It does not matter to PayPal where you choose to place your funds. So transferring funds to a US based bank is immaterial if that is where a PayPal account holder wishes to transfer funds. The rest of your money management has nothing to do with PayPal.
We were not aware that PayPal had changed its rules several times over the years and that grandfathered accounts had special privileges. @ypdc_dennis We would appreciate it if you could please point out some of those changed rules and old privileges that may have affected our money management for our PayPal account?

