
03-22-2018 05:55 PM
03-23-2018 07:48 PM
Yeah.
I'm leaning heavily toward not allowing this transaction to end in a sale. It's really not about 78 cents.
Earlier in the thread, I said the buyer had no red flags in their feedback, but I was incorrect on that. I went back and looked again so I must have been confusing them with someone else who made an offer on something else.
This user, while not an experienced Best Offer buyer, has had an account since 2008 and is a blue star user with 50 to 99 for feedback points as a buyer but has exactly one entry under Feedback Left For Others and it's a negative feedback.
So, out of all these sellers who took the time to leave pleasant feedback for the buyer, the only thing the buyer ever had to say in return was negative. Like, they couldn't ever be bothered to say, 'Good job, thanks for that!' when things were good even once. It's only one negative remark, of course, but that says something to me and that something is that this doesn't feel like the kind of business relationship that will be mutually beneficial.
I don't think I need $46 with a side order of giant butt-pain for the future.
03-23-2018 11:28 PM
The 78-cent Standoff might have saved you some grief.
If I may ask you and all the other learned posters who use the Best Offer format. When you counter offer, do you leave any message such as "thanks for the interest", or "what are you, nuts?" Just kidding, as I did put BO on my Dreamcast banner($109.99) to see what would happen, and I just got an offer($54.00), and I countered with $89.99.
I had priced it at $99.99 plus $20 shipping, I changed it to $109.99 plus $10 shipping, so not really a change in total price. Does the BO change the shipping in the listing? I have heard on other threads that some of the offers made, wanted to include the shipping. Actual shipping cost for the banners is $22-24, Canada and USA.
In the case of the 78-cent Standoff, the offer would have been plus shipping, correct?
Please forgive me for not starting my own thread, as my offer from a potential buyer, was not really close to my original price, or my counter offer. I am also willing to come down a little more, whereas you felt you had come down enough already.
The difference in the buyers feedback is astounding, yours had only given one, turns out to be a negative, mine has not given a negative, and has given more than they have received.
Again, I humbly apologize for including my BO story in the same thread as yours, good luck with your decision.
03-24-2018 12:00 AM
The offer may already have expired, but my inclination would have been to reject his offer. Like you said, it's not about the 78 cents. This guy is yanking your chain and, no doubt, getting a lot of satisfaction out of doing this. To him it's a game and he's probably had a lot more accepted offers than rejected ones.
I have absolutely no doubt that you have been very generous to buyers on a good day, just as I have, and then, on certain days, you're just fed up with them.
You have a hard-to-find item that he may or may not want which will likely sell for quite a bit more. If you've got milk in the fridge and your electricity bill is paid, I'd say wait lol.
Just my two cents. I don't feel very benevolent today.
03-24-2018 03:40 AM
03-24-2018 02:22 PM
@amcdc79wrote:
.... If I may ask you and all the other learned posters who use the Best Offer format. When you counter offer, do you leave any message such as "thanks for the interest", or "what are you, nuts?" Just kidding, as I did put BO on my Dreamcast banner($109.99) to see what would happen, and I just got an offer($54.00), and I countered with $89.99.
I had priced it at $99.99 plus $20 shipping, I changed it to $109.99 plus $10 shipping, so not really a change in total price. Does the BO change the shipping in the listing? I have heard on other threads that some of the offers made, wanted to include the shipping. Actual shipping cost for the banners is $22-24, Canada and USA....
Sorry for the tardiness of my response, I read your reply in the middle of the night but this is my first opportunity to sit down and think.
When submitting to and replying to a Best Offer, until very recently, there used to be a little section that said something about how Best Offers are supposed to exclude any discussion of postage. That small section of text is gone so I assume it is okay to negotiate free shipping as part of your Terms of Offer. But yes, I agree that adding dollars to your item to offset the cost of postage makes the overall purchase seem like a better deal since the higher dollar value on the item adds value whereas the postage paid is perceived as a throwaway expense the moment it has been delivered.
But adding new terms on postage to the Best Offer doesn't affect the setup of the listing itself, so if your Counter Offer included free postage to sweeten the deal, you'd have to manually fix that when you go to Send Invoice. Most of the editable sections of a listing are greyed-out to prevent alterations while a Best Offer is being considered by either party. This is to prevent the seller from pulling some sort of fast one where they consider an offer, change a bunch of stuff, and then accept it so that the buyer won't get what they think they should get. ebay makes it impossible fr that to do.
Like with pending Best Offers or Counteroffers right now, I might want to edit the listing to eliminate the Make an Offer function but if an offer is pending, I cannot do that. Nor can I take a multi-quantity listing where some items have already sold (whether by Best Offer or not) and remove the Make an Offer feature. I have to end and relist which is a shame if there are multiple watchers on it.
Did that answer the question adequately? I'm not sure I understood completely the situation you posed in it.
Oh, as to what I include in the Terms when I'm countering a message, sometimes I include a few words and sometimes I don't. When I'd like to reply with a 'You're joking, right?' instead I say,
"Thank you for your offer. As this item is already on markdown, lower pricing is available only to buyers making multi-item purchases. Questions? Please ask. We look forward to serving you. Thanks." or " Thank you for your offer. We are pleased to counter at XX.XX but this is the lowest we can accept given the cost of included postage to your location. Questions? Please ask. We look forward to serving you. Thanks."
I make it particularly clear when I'm countering the first offer with my lowest acceptable so that the buyers know I'm not here to play and back-and-forth game of 78 cents. If they counter lower, I stick to my established price. If I have multiples of the item, I might move a dollar or two. If there is ample competition for that item on ebay, I might wiggle a dollar or two. With something like this item that led to the 78-cent standoff, I do not.
I used to always counter high at first to leave room for the song and dance and that reliably failed. Not one counteroffer was accepted for the sixth solid months I did this. When I changed my tactic to more often than not counter the first offer with my lowest I would accept while saying, 'This is my lowest' from the start, my counters were accepted well more often than before.
With this particular 78-cent problem, I replied to the counter offer from my mobile device while standing in the hallway at school waiting for my kids so I was rushed and I did not make clear it was the lowest from the start. However, I countered with the same amount at the first four times in a row (or maybe one was a straight decline) so it should have been clear, I really do think.
As to this buyer and this item, no, I'm blocking and allowing to expire. Or maybe I'll decline. I'm not going to accept. The hydro bill can wait another week! It's higher than $46 anyway, ahahah.
03-24-2018 02:37 PM
Let it expire.
...And stop with offering best offer option.
03-24-2018 02:39 PM
That listing has been revised to remove Best Offer. It's already the only one on ebay and priced better than the only other one anywhere else, I'm done dancing for nickels with it in hand.
03-24-2018 03:19 PM
Good for you. I have found that sometimes I feel that a listing should have a good price, and eventually it usually sells for that. It seems that there is always someone who wants that special item.
03-24-2018 03:28 PM
Consider running a 7 day auction for it, starting price, oh, let's say $49 and see if he/she is a player this go around?
03-28-2018 08:39 PM
I just want to know why $46.78 instead of $46.00, lol...I f I kept getting $46.78 as a counter offer...3 times no less...I'd be amused and annoyed...and I wouldn't accept it! Either way, it's a playground poking match...
04-01-2018 09:13 PM
As an interesting aside, I had this same situation develop again.... with another item and another buyer.
Difference being this item was $35 and free shipping OBO. Buyer offered $10 to start. I countered once at $26.78 and then four more times at $25 with the message saying it was the lowest I would accept given the scarcity of the item and included domestic postage. The buyer still used their final offer to counter at $24. And because I had told them three times already that $25 was the lowest I was willing to accept, I used my final counteroffer to counter again at $25. Again, the difference here was inconsequential at $1. But if they wouldn't rise to $25, I wasn't going to prove myself a liar and accept $24.
The buyer didn't want it. The offer expired.
Oh, the games we play.
I'm not upset. There are only four on ebay (two are mine given that one is part of a bundle) and mine is by far and wide the least expensive in Canada. It will sell.
04-01-2018 09:32 PM
Can't even begin to understand what you're doing. You just made $0 for all the time/effort you spent on this (not) transaction.
04-01-2018 09:52 PM
What is to understand?
It's Best Offer, not Worst Offer.
05-01-2018 11:39 AM
Follow-up:
The item in question sold overnight to a different buyer, a Canadian one, for $66.36 via Buy It Now.
05-01-2018 12:03 PM
@momcqueen wrote:Follow-up:
The item in question sold overnight to a different buyer, a Canadian one, for $66.36 via Buy It Now.
I LOVE when this happens!!
I also love it when someone tells one of my lots is junk and should be thrown in the garbage and someone else understands what it actually is and buys it thereafter!! (I'm SOOOOOO tempted to send the sale notification to the person!!!)
05-01-2018 12:42 PM
Mwahaha, well, if that user who gave me such a hard time was still 'watching' it, they'd have gotten the 'too bad so sad, here are some similar ones' from ebay when the listing ended.
I'm not as experienced seller as some here, but I am past bowing and scraping to make a sale. I'm confident in my abilities and prices and service without trying to have to appeal to ingrates who fight me over 78 cents like this person did a month ago.
But, yes, a bit of extra glee when I woke to the sale this morning.
Tee hee.
05-01-2018 05:45 PM
05-03-2018 02:37 AM
Well done!
Reminds me of a message I got relating to an item I had as a BiN for $1150. A non-buyer contacts me to inform me that my item is only worth $550 and that he'll give me that (free shipping too) I don't recall if I politely declined his offer, but I do remember a few weeks later when a real buyer came along and paid my full price.
05-03-2018 08:31 AM
Precisely the problem I encountered in all the many years when I did not have Best Offer enabled on my listings; I'd get all those 'offers' anyway and straight to my Messages where the unsolicited contact feels a bit more like an invasion, or unwelcome attention. Now, I can simply say, 'Please go to the listing and Make an Offer,' and set the auto-decline to address their too-low amount and hope they get the hint and leave quietly.
Glad your situation worked out to your best advantage too.