Whats Managed Payments All about

[westcoastart2]

I just got the ebay email saying they are converting to Managed Payments, and I have until July to sign up.

Is this eBay's attempt to get around Paypal?

After 20 years, and a rough start, Paypal is now a good service that works (unlike eBay's frequent software glitches).  

I like the idea of selling an item on ebay, then getting paid via Paypal.

If it isn't broken, then why fix it?

Does this mean ebay is about to screw this up?

Does this mean its finally time to get off ebay?

[femmefan1946]

Musn't forget GST/HST goes along for the ride too.

If there is GST/HST/PST due, it is not an international sale. Those are Canadian taxes on Canadian sales.

We are only allowed to charge them if we are registered to remit Canadian taxes. As I understand it, if a Canadian seller is registered to remit sales taxes in any province or territory, she must always charge and remit GST. Otherwise, only in her own province does she charge HST instead or GST+PST.

Canadian Paypal rates prevail.

And those Internet Sales Taxes are only on US sales, and not all states have any sales tax nor are all states using eBay as a Marketplace Facilitator.

US Paypal rates prevail.

And then there is Australia-- @ricarmic would have to explain that.

I don't think any other nations charge sales taxes to online purchasers, yet.

[ricarmic]

Yes to us, the Australia tax looks the same as the US IST, it just passes through our PAYPAL account.

I've noticed that New Zealand buyers now have taxes added on their purchases, or at least my last one did, and I believe Singapore also does.

I think over time a lot of countries will begin doing it too...

[ypdc_dennis]

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@ricarmic wrote:
... the Australia tax looks the same as the US IST, it just passes through our PAYPAL account.

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But only for purchases under the Australian duty free limit of $1000AU  -- over that customs is supposed to do the collecting instead of eBay.

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[tobey_arih]

I will repeat my response as I cannot find it.  Anyhow about the fees on tax that pompei takes.  I am not a lawyer or ethics professor but that is inethical in my judgment. If ebay is making lets say 40000 sales per day and the PP's take is 11 cents - then you see the it is not some annoying anymore.

[kawartha-ephemera]

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

Musn't forget GST/HST goes along for the ride too.

If there is GST/HST/PST due, it is not an international sale. Those are Canadian taxes on Canadian sales.

We are only allowed to charge them if we are registered to remit Canadian taxes. As I understand it, if a Canadian seller is registered to remit sales taxes in any province or territory, she must always charge and remit GST. Otherwise, only in her own province does she charge HST instead or GST+PST.

Canadian Paypal rates prevail.

And those Internet Sales Taxes are only on US sales, and not all states have any sales tax nor are all states using eBay as a Marketplace Facilitator.

US Paypal rates prevail.

And then there is Australia-- @ricarmic would have to explain that.

I don't think any other nations charge sales taxes to online purchasers, yet.

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You have misunderstood my comment. Reread message # 40.

For every sale we make everywhere around the world ebay charges us a FVF fee, GST/HST is added every time, no exceptions. Of course larger sellers who are GST registered are reimbursed via an Input Tax Credit but many small hobby sellers and many others casually selling off their personal collections have to foot the bill. Ebay's new MP arrangement intends to charge FVFs on the invoice total INCLUDING taxes, then GST/HST is added to that including the sales tax portion ... that rankles.

[tobey_arih]

So, uh, the question remains - is it cheaper?

[kawartha-ephemera]

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@tobey_arih wrote:

So, uh, the question remains - is it cheaper?

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no ... if you're listing on .ca and are selling mostly to Canadians then MP looks like it might be a little cheaper overall. If you're listing on .com MP doesn't look like much of a bargain. They still haven't released any details for the .ca launch ... we're left trying to decipher vague info released regarding the latest .com version launching in July.

It seem like ebay expects us to signup, agree to their TOS and provide them with our banking info first, afterwards they may let us know what the costs will be ... horrible management.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

Compliments of dot com and eunster1313. Unable to confirm accuracy for the math and how it will or not be similar to the dot ca version. Posted mostly for the humour element!!!

-Lotz

[mrdutch1001]

"It seem like ebay expects us to signup, agree to their TOS and provide them with our banking info first, afterwards they may let us know what the costs will be ... horrible management."

No one should have to sign up for MP without knowing all the details, the costs, how it is going to affect a seller,etc. All this secrecy and lack of transparency is totally wrong. We should not have to hang out on the .COM boards to learn about the processes of MP. That should be handed directly to us with proper directives here on.CA and definitely prior to having to commit to/sign up for MP.

From what I am seeing on the .COM boards, for some sellers a savings, for others MP more expensive. How this translates for Canadian sellers who use both .CA and .COM is yet to be determined.

Although I made the decision over a year go that I would not partake of the MP , having already taken the "or else" road with Etsy back in 2017,  for me it's not worth changing things for the few sales I get on eBay. I have tolerated a lot over the years with eBay but this is where I take my leave.

There will be no reason for me to remain on eBay when I receive the date when I must sign up for MP "or else"

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

@mrdutch1001 

Throw out another concern to ponder.

Now you receive a payment, it goes to your PayPal "Bank account" and you create postage for parcels either in Shippo or Paypal (or this new system with as many unanswered questions) . For the folks that don't have oodles of stamps laying around. The postage gets removed from PayPal account. Easy peasy with no transaction fee!!

Going forward the payment wanders to your bank account....Hopefully?!? You being the wonderful seller you are, create postage....Either it gets billed to your bank account individually or weekly, bi-weekly or monthly? Are those charges going to become individual. transaction fees with your bank? Clarity on this would be wonderful.

If I've interpreting things here wrong, my apologies. I just don't like the idea of a mega invoice at the end of each month for postage and/or refunds for incorrect postage calculations to buyers. Sellers want to control  their funds. Not eBay!!!

-Lotz

[ypdc_dennis]

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

...create postage....Either it gets billed to your bank account individually or weekly, bi-weekly or monthly? Are those charges going to become individual transaction fees with your bank?

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From what I've read, if you buy shipping through eBay MP the cost comes out of your sale money before it gets deposited to your bank or if no money left, from whatever method you have setup when you owe money to eBay (credit card, bank account, paypal etc).

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[lotzofuniquegoodies]

@ypdc_dennis 

So what happens to the folks where Shippo or PayPal works for them?

-Lotz

[tobey_arih]

ahaha.. toadies to ebay.. it wants all the money.  a Goliath always wins all the time.. screw the mythical david beats goliath.

and shippo is turning into a joke.

MP will be a headache.  I received the invitation some weeks ago.  I don't care untl ebay forces me.

GSP= I dont think it really works considering an oversea sales aint gonna jump for ebay biznesses.

[tobey_arih]

so true and a laughable. hahah 😄 😛

[tobey_arih]

does anybody remember "billpoint" ebay's verions of payment processing that died.  So they bought Paypal.  To this day, I wish Elon held on to his creation a wee bit longer and realize its worth to internet business.

[ricarmic]

Those were the good old days.....

[femmefan1946]

I remember being delighted about Billpoint-- no more waiting, hoping my customer's check would not bounce-- but don't remember enough about the changeover to Paypal to make any difference.

What I like about Paypal is that it is known and trusted by my customers, worldwide.

It has an integrated shipping system, although I am skeptical of the value of NetParcel.

It allows me to keep all my eBay business in one spot, invoicing non-eBay sales, notification of cleared payments, shipping labels, and I can deposit into several bank accounts including one US bank. 

I'm grateful to those members who have taken the plunge into Managed Payments and who are letting us know what they are now being faced with. 

[ypdc_dennis]

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

So what happens to the folks where Shippo or PayPal works for them?

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Shippo should see no change for those folk are set up with them.  You should still be able to (as authorized when setting up Shippo) to import the shipping info across from eBay.  Afterall, selling shipping labels is Shippo's main business. 

PayPal  is out, because any buy-shipping is tied directly (*) to a sale money transaction. And since PayPal will be cut out of the money flow, no way to buy a label. Afterall, moving money is PayPal's main business, not selling labels.

(*) - I do remember the good-old-days when paypal was still part of ebay, and there was a back door that allowed buying labels for transactions not handled by paypal.

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[peterkat2020]

Does that mean we will all be forced to use Shippo for buying and printing shipping labels?  I have never used Shippo as I have heard enough problems with them.  I am more comfortable using Paypal, if I will no longer be able to use them for shipping labels then I won't bother continue selling on Ebay.

[recped]

If eBay was the only reason PayPal offered shipping labels then PayPal probably would have dropped that service long ago.

PayPal provides Merchant Services to over 20 MILLION accounts worldwide, many of these are small companies that need a place to print postage.

PayPal would also be quite happy to sell shipping labels to eBay sellers either funded by cash balances or credit card. I see no reason to think they will give up that revenue stream and it might help them keep some eBay sellers from closing their accounts since they will not need them for eBay payments anymore. Plenty of eBay sellers also sell elsewhere and like me they will still have a PayPal account to accept payments for non-eBay sales.