Buyers from the US aren't able to add BIN items to their cart

I have been receiving a lot of messages from US customers that they aren't able to add my BIN items to their cart so they can take advantage of the combined shipping discount. This isn't a problem for the Canadian customers. It's a pretty big headache as I'm having to go through PayPal and refund the shipping fees for each item manually every time.

 

Anyone know how to fix this?

 

Thanks.

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You can TRY to direct them to eBay.ca and use the Canadian cart.

 

I've had buyers where this clearly worked and I've had others that claimed they still didn't have the option to request a total.

 

I personally hate this "feature" but I can at least tell you why it's been implemented.

 

1 - Many sellers overreact to what is often not that big of a problem, Non payers that is, they scream and moan so much that eBay decided to help out by essentially opting sellers into immediate payment required.

 

2 - They want combined shipping discounts to be as automatic as possible with no need for buyers to ask for adjustments.

 

The conspiracy theorists among us would have you believe they only did this to collect extra 30 cent PayPal transactions fees and the extra shipping fvf. I'd like to think that while they might be happy to pocket those extra fees it was not part of the motivation. I wouldn't be surprised if the genius who proposed this concept even thought about extra fees, probably stood up one day and said he had a great plan to help sellers, everyone at the meeting agreed and that was that.

 

I normally don't run Fixed price listings that much so I don't run into it frequently, I have been running FP through December and it's popped up several times with the mixed results I detailed earlier.

 

Initially I was deducting the extra 30 cents from the over payment refund (if I refunded at all), once I found out it was not anything buyers chose or wanted to do I dropped that and now refund the full over payment.

 



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Anyone know how to fix this?

 

If you can figure out how to make the combined shipping rules work for you that should eliminate the issue. I tried setting these up a few times but the results were not great, either I was not setting it up correctly or buyers were not able to do whatever it was they need to do at their end.

 

 



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Yes, this is a known incompatibility that I've been complaining to the eBay.ca staff about for months.  

 

They are well aware of the problem, but haven't yet been able to provide any assurance of when it will be fixed. Evidently it's not a top priority, which is distressing, because Canadian sellers are probably missing out on a lot of potential combined orders.  I know I am, because like you, I've had a couple of seasoned buyers contact me when they couldn't load more than one item into their cart.  It's the ones who don't contact me that I wonder about.  

 

Here's the problem: it seems that when eBay introduced the cart onto .ca, they either neglected to make it fully compatible with .com, or had some problem making it compatible.  As a result, U.S. buyers purchasing through .com are not able to place more than one item in the cart without paying for the first item, i.e. forced immediate payment, before they can proceed to buy the next item.  Obviously is going to put off a lot of buyers.

 

Canadian sellers are right to complain that this is having a significant impact on their business, especially if they offer combined shipping discounts and/or automated shipping discounts on fixed price items (which I do).  The fact that eBay has allowed the problem to go on unresolved for months is ludicrous.  By the way, I've determined that my automated shipping rule is definitely not working for .com (U.S.) buyers, so having that set up hasn't made any difference at all.  It simply isn't working the way it should.  

 

I should note that my automated shipping discount (buy 5 items, get free shipping) was working perfectly before eBay.ca introduced the cart on .ca (which I recall was in late 2013 or early 2014), as I had a number of buyers take advantage of it.  Since the cart was rolled out on .ca, I haven't had a single such multiple purchase of 5 items with the automated free shipping -- this tells me buyers are not getting through the system.  

 

There are only two workarounds: 

 

(a)  Direct your buyer to eBay.ca to make the purchase, as 'recped' mentioned.  This is what the eBay staffers have suggested.  However, I was recently informed that my "free shipping for 5 items" automated rule wasn't functioning properly even using the cart on .ca, so who really knows?   The trouble with this workaround is that you have to hope your buyer actually contacts you or is an experienced enough eBayer to figure it out for themselves; 

 

(b)  Hope that your buyer is savvy enough to think of using the "Commit to Buy" button, to make each purchase, one at a time, backing out to the next item, then repeating the process.  A very awkward fix, and one that will in all likelihood leave you with a shipping over-payment that you then have to refund.  

 

Either workaround is unsatisfactory, and as a consequence I'm sure many of us have lost a lot of multiple/combined purchases.  I find it totally unacceptable that such a critical part of this site should just not work, and that making checkout smooth, easy and compatible throughout its sites should apparently not be a top priority for eBay.  I give them a defect for this ridiculous mess.  They should have held back on introducing the cart onto .ca until they knew they could make it fully seamless with .com.  

 

I ask for an ETA for the fix to this problem on almost every Wed. discussion board -- so far nothing.  Can you tell I've been pretty upset about this issue? Woman Sad

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Thanks for the replies, I see I'm not the only one. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong but I guess this is all on eBay's side. Hopefully they fix it soon, I know I'm definitely losing sales because of it.

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Oh yes, I forgot to mention another workaround that was suggested - list your items on .com. 

 

I'm not interested in doing this, because I've spent years trying to get all my Canada Post flat shipping rates just right, and I'm not inclined to have to figure out and set up the alternatives on the .com site.  I also have a feeling that with my luck, it would be the day after I'd completed that time-wasting task that eBay would finally announce that the cart disconnect had been fixed! 

 

I'm getting a little tired of eBay staffers providing "helpful" workarounds to a critical problem in an essential area that should never have been allowed to happen in the first place.  It's like saying ooops, we forgot to install the seatbelts in your vehicle model, but it's no big problem -- just go ahead and use string or ribbon for now.  

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There are only two workarounds: 

 

(a)  Direct your buyer to eBay.ca to make the purchase, as 'recped' mentioned.  This is what the eBay staffers have suggested.  However, I was recently informed that my "free shipping for 5 items" automated rule wasn't functioning properly even using the cart on .ca, so who really knows?   The trouble with this workaround is that you have to hope your buyer actually contacts you or is an experienced enough eBayer to figure it out for themselves; 

 

(b)  Hope that your buyer is savvy enough to think of using the "Commit to Buy" button, to make each purchase, one at a time, backing out to the next item, then repeating the process.  A very awkward fix, and one that will in all likelihood leave you with a shipping over-payment that you then have to refund.  

 

Rose I'm not sure if even these will work, my recent buyer who was definitely savy could not make the .ca cart completely work for him. While he was able to make a single payment for 4 items he was unable to apparently to do the commit to buy and request a revised total part.

 

On the other hand on Friday I had a repeat buyer from Germany who was able to buy 5 FP listings (I doubt he was using the .ca cart) without paying and then request a total.

 

I think there is much more to this that cart incompatibility problems. now that PJ has dug up this  eBay are doing with GSP (removing cheap items from the program for Canadian buyers without telling the US Sellers) I can believe just about anything when it comes to tinkering in this type of situation. Wouldn't put it past them to somewhat randomly force IPR on some buyers (perceived to be potentially a problem perhaps?) while letting others request revised totals.

 

 



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@rose-dee wrote:

Oh yes, I forgot to mention another workaround that was suggested - list your items on .com. 

 


Yeah that's a non starter for me as well, shipping caps in Media on.com make that essentially impossible.



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Rose I'm not sure if even these will work, my recent buyer who was definitely savy could not make the .ca cart completely work for him. While he was able to make a single payment for 4 items he was unable to apparently to do the commit to buy and request a revised total part.

 

On the other hand on Friday I had a repeat buyer from Germany who was able to buy 5 FP listings (I doubt he was using the .ca cart) without paying and then request a total.

 


Now that you mention it, I think you're right that it may work differently for buyers outside the U.S.  I recall I had a buyer from Holland a couple of months ago who seemed to be able to make a multiple purchase that was all on one combined invoice, although it was only 4 items, so the automated rule didn't apply anyway.  

 

I also think it's possible you may be right about there being more to this than a simple cart incompatibility.  An alternative explanation (i.e. besides sheer stupidity on eBay's part) had never occurred to me!  I hate "conspiracy theories", but in this case it makes some sense.  Why else would eBay be dragging its heels so doltishly on what seems like an essential function?  Raphael has done nothing but prevaricate, postpone and deflect whenever he has been asked about this issue. 

 

I haven't had a buyer from the U.S. be able to combine items for a few months now, even though I've had a few who managed to make multiple purchases of 2, 3 or 4 items individually -- I'm assuming by using the "Commit to Buy" and backing out strategy.  On my end, I'm unable to combine these purchases into one invoice as I used to be able to do before the cart was introduced on eBay.ca, so I end up refunding.  

 

Interestingly, I've had the same problem as a Canadian buyer  trying to make a multiple purchase on .com within the last few months.  I put item #1 in the cart, then found myself being forced to pay for #1 when I tried to put item #2 in the cart.   I ended up using the "CTB/back out" routine and asked the seller for a total with combined shipping. 

 

All very odd indeed...

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One more note on this: I had a lady from the U.S. make a multiple (3-item) purchase a few days ago -- individual items that wouldn't "combine" on my end, and I refunded the excess shipping.  Since she looked like a fairly experienced eBayer, both selling and buying, I've sent her a message asking if she could let me know what the process looked like from her end.  

 

If she replies, I'll try to remember to post the details here.

 

The nature of the main categories I sell in (sewing patterns) is that people often want to buy more than one item at a time, so this is a serious issue for me, as I'm sure it is for other sellers. 

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I hate "conspiracy theories"

 

It's only a conspiracy theory if you think they are doing this "to get rid of small sellers". I prefer to think that they might do this without any of the thinking required even for a simple conspiracy.

 

By the way, I love a GOOD conspiracy theory!



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Here's the problem: it seems that when eBay introduced the cart onto .ca, they either neglected to make it fully compatible with .com, or had some problem making it compatible. 

 

This started happening long before there was a cart on .ca. As recped said, ebay started requiring immediate payment on .com which mean that if there was no cart on the site the purchase was being made on, each item had to be paid for before another purchase could be made. They seemed to only have this feature on some categories at first but have expanded that. I don't know now if immediate payment is required in all categories now and/or it has something to do with specific buyers.

 

As a result, U.S. buyers purchasing through .com are not able to place more than one item in the cart without paying for the first item, i.e. forced immediate payment, before they can proceed to buy the next item

 

Anyone shopping on .com does not see an add a cart option to any item listed on .ca so they can't put any items in a cart so will probably have to pay for each one. Again, that has been happening ever since ebay started requiring immediate payment. As far as I can tell, this particular problem has nothing to do with the cart on .ca but is because the cart on .com is not compatible with other sites...cart or not.

 

As far as your promo shipping rule not working on .ca...that probably is a problem with the .ca cart because I did get free shipping when I put 5 of your items into the cart on the Germany site. But the 5 items did have to originally have a shipping cost...it would not give free shipping for 3 items with free shipping and 2 items with shipping. 

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On the other hand on Friday I had a repeat buyer from Germany who was able to buy 5 FP listings (I doubt he was using the .ca cart) without paying and then request a total.

 

 

He was probably using the German site cart. The newer carts seem to be compatible with other sites that have carts. When I've tested this on the Canadian, German and Australian sites, there is an add to cart function for items listed on .com and .ca. I was able to add your items and rose-dee's items to those carts.

 

The .com and UK sites only have add to cart links for items listed on their own site. That's why I think that this problem is more of a .com cart problem..not a .ca cart problem.  Actually...the real problem in my mind is that ebay doesn't allow us to choose whether or not we want immediate payment..they force it on us.

 

But I don't know why some people see the request a total on the cart and some people don't.  I do see a request a total when I add your or rose-dee's items to a cart on .ca.

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@rose-dee wrote:

One more note on this: I had a lady from the U.S. make a multiple (3-item) purchase a few days ago -- individual items that wouldn't "combine" on my end, and I refunded the excess shipping.  Since she looked like a fairly experienced eBayer, both selling and buying, I've sent her a message asking if she could let me know what the process looked like from her end.  

 

If she replies, I'll try to remember to post the details here.

 

The nature of the main categories I sell in (sewing patterns) is that people often want to buy more than one item at a time, so this is a serious issue for me, as I'm sure it is for other sellers. 


It's easy enough to test for yourself. Sign into .com, and search for one of your items. You'll see that you will not see an add to cart option. If you search for one of recped's items you will see the same thing...no cart option.  The majority of my items are listed on .com so you will see a cart option for those items. I do list any hockey related items and coins on .ca so for those items, there is no add to cart link.

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In days gone by, I've worked for large companies and have been in positions where "issues" are dealt with.

 

I think may be a mistake to believe that "eBay" understands the whole picture at a detailed level. The eBay entity is many 1000s of staff all trying to accomplish their job. Some folks will have the big picture, but few will see it at the detailed level we do (and each of us has our own perspectives/views). The eBay staff that can see it at the detailed level are rarely the people that get to make the decisions to implement changes/fixes.

 

My expectation is that at a simple level eBay is:

-trying to act on the biggest priorities it has to improve profits

-trying to act on the biggest issues preventing them from maintaining/improving profits.

(unlike stuff you and I may do for ourselves thinking will generally be more short term which might not be good in the long term)

 

In the world I was in before, there was an endless list of "problems" - they never could all be fixed. On a somewhat regular basis, they were prioritized and the most important ones were worked on. Of course, on a day to day basis new problems happened and that changed the relative priorities of everything else. The top problems were the ones that were believed or known to cost the company the most money/lost opportunity (balanced against fix cost).  

 

One would assume, frustrating as the BIN etc issues we are faced with is for us, it hasn't yet made it to the top of the priority list, presumably because other problems are having a bigger negative impact.

 

Alternatively, the "fix" could be quite expensive vs the gain to fix it. The cost of "fixes" also figured largely in the decision making process regarding what problems were fixed earliest.

 

In my own business, I do the same thing, I have lots of problems too, and I spend time on the ones that are the biggest issue at a given time, or are about to be a big issue. Unfortunately as we all know, on a somewhat regular basis it seems, new eBay problems that affect us happen as well....which may readjust my own priorities each time too....

 

Anyway, I had better get back to work, spent longer on this than I should have 🙂 

 

 

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This all reminds me of the US boards in the pre-cart days, a lot of sellers where screaming for a cart system and a few people (not me) warned that whatever cart solution eBay came up with might be worse than no cart at all.

 

 



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@recped wrote:

 

By the way, I love a GOOD conspiracy theory!


I take it then you have't missed the movie "Conspiracy Theory" (Mel Gibson)?  Woman Very Happy

 

If you have missed it, you'd like it.  I won't be a spoiler, but that was one story where the conspiracy theorist was thoroughly vindicated.  Not many are!

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@recped wrote:

This all reminds me of the US boards in the pre-cart days, a lot of sellers where screaming for a cart system and a few people (not me) warned that whatever cart solution eBay came up with might be worse than no cart at all.

 


... Analogous to the screaming over the DSRs, which got us something worse.  I bet a lot of people who complained about DSRs and are now dealing with defects are wishing they could turn the clock back. 

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@ricarmic wrote:

 

I think may be a mistake to believe that "eBay" understands the whole picture at a detailed level. 

 

[...] One would assume, frustrating as the BIN etc issues we are faced with is for us, it hasn't yet made it to the top of the priority list, presumably because other problems are having a bigger negative impact.

 

[...] Alternatively, the "fix" could be quite expensive vs the gain to fix it. The cost of "fixes" also figured largely in the decision making process regarding what problems were fixed earliest.

 


You make some very good points here, and they do make logical sense.  

 

However, the real bone I have to pick with eBay over this issue is that something so fundamental to running an online selling venue -- that is, the ability of buyers to make purchases easily, seamlessly, and across the many platforms it has -- should not have always been given top priority.  One would think that over the past year such an important element of a commercial site would have floated up to Job #1.  

 

It seems to me they've spent a huge amount of time (and no doubt money) over the past 2 years or so fiddling around with the appearance of the site while neglecting one of the most critical and basic requirements.  It's like people who buy fancy new furniture for their house before the leaky plumbing is fixed.  

 

Actually, the more I think about it, the more it seems it can only be explained by either gross negligence and stupidity on the part of management, or some arcane plan for who-knows-what-end, that will only become clear at some point in the future. 

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@rose-dee wrote:

One more note on this: I had a lady from the U.S. make a multiple (3-item) purchase a few days ago -- individual items that wouldn't "combine" on my end, and I refunded the excess shipping.  Since she looked like a fairly experienced eBayer, both selling and buying, I've sent her a message asking if she could let me know what the process looked like from her end.  

 


It's easy enough to test for yourself. Sign into .com, and search for one of your items. You'll see that you will not see an add to cart option. If you search for one of recped's items you will see the same thing...no cart option.  The majority of my items are listed on .com so you will see a cart option for those items. 


Yes, I am aware of what the problem is from the .com side.  What I was hoping to find out from my customer was how difficult she found the workaround, i.e. a bit of an opinion poll.  

 

I wanted to know if the process was frustrating from her end, and also what steps she took as a workaround, given that she's an experienced eBayer.  (For example, did she even try logging onto .ca -- which I doubt).

 

She didn't send me a "Request Total", so I assumed she either couldn't find the button, or only realized later to send me a separate note about shipping (which she did).  I figure that if a sophisticated buyer finds it a hassle, a newer buyer might just give up entirely before completing the purchase. 

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