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ichopshop · ‎11-19-2018

As subject says.

jjjwar · ‎11-19-2018

I see a lockout coming. The Union keeps saying " NO " to every offer. They take days to respond with a counter offer. Also the strike thing as done nothing but hurt the customers. Union decided to do that. The way I see it the Union is an all or nothing mode regardless if the outcome.

If Canada Post locks them out I will blame the union. I still will blame Canada Post for some of it but at least they are trying. The Union well from what I have seen they have for the most part stuck to the same demands.

With Canada Post halting incoming international mail and the current backlog of domestic mail and a deadline on the latest offers from Canada Post something is coming.

hlmacdon · ‎11-19-2018

@katlover1952 wrote:
I still can't believe that the union did not take that last offer to the workers. Seems to me that it is the tail wagging the dog. This union always has been like this - I would not want to be a member of it as I am not sure that they are always doing what is best for the workers.

They knew if it was voted on it would pass. They are holding out for a minority of parties.

The union excuse that they can't go back to work because it is a busy time of year and they might get injured is ridiculous. Maybe they should have a corporate fitness plan worked into the agreement because they don't seem to have a fitness component for hiring. Order them back to work.

esclyons · ‎11-19-2018

When the postal workers , voted to o.k. the rotating strikes, they gave the Union all the power, now the union is saying no to everything that the company offers, they are not even, bringing it to the membership for a vote.. You know what they say about absolute power,,

This is not going to end well, unless the Government steps in.. The union is just saying no, to everything thrown at them..

Guess what.. the union still receives all their union dues, and hasn't had to issue a single strike pay check.. and i bet they don't lose a days pay when ever a strike is issued in their area..,

ricarmic · ‎11-19-2018

If one peruses the CUPW site one sees that they're sending delegates (6) to this:

Union Delegation to the Conference on the Self-Determination of The Palestinian People: Issues and Challenges

In fairness I haven't spent time to read more and/or understand why that would make sense.... so I guess I shouldn't judge a book by its title.....

jjjwar · ‎11-19-2018

Yes the Union will get their dues. They will be waiting for the postal workers to get their pay checks though. It is my understanding they have not got paid since the rotating strikes started.

The way the Union is bargaining they are making it easy for Canada Post to lock them out. Union keeps saying " NO " eventually Canada Post will decide enough is enough and lock them out. Only a matter of time before the government forces them back to work and decides what they get.

forester_studios · ‎11-19-2018

I think you have summed up this sad situation very well. Thoughtful to the point comments.

ypdc_dennis · ‎11-19-2018

Point 2 and point 3 are at odds with each other.

A private essential service?

Really?

forester_studios · ‎11-19-2018

I agree. The folks at my local post office are excellent. In the 4 years I have been taking my parcels there they have always provided great customer service. They are knowledgeable concerning shipping questions and very professional (very nice too). They told me they thought the offers made by CP were "Very good".

By not allowing these workers to vote, the union brass are showing contempt for them. Why should they not have been allowed to vote? Perhaps the union bosses were too afraid that they would accept.

cumos55 · ‎11-19-2018

A site was found where the President of CUPW was interviewed ...

https://marxist.ca/labour/17-labour-news/1425-postal-workers-prepare-for-strike-interview-with-cupw-...

The question...Do you see the postal workers strike as an opportunity to revive the militant traditions of class struggle unionism?

The answer ... I think that every potential strike has the potential to do that. For me, this goes back to some of the ABCs of trade unionism. I always say that there are two rules in the labour movement. Rule #1: You don’t get anything unless you fight for it. Rule #2: You don’t get to keep anything, unless you keep fighting. So abandoning the struggle is surrender.

Mike Palecek was President of CUPW in 2011, when CUPW last went on strike.

forester_studios · ‎11-19-2018

I think his own statements show how out of touch he is with present day realities. His attitudes seem to be stuck back in the early 20th century. I'm well aware of how the union movement was needed a century ago when workers conditions really were awful. My Moms parents were born in Victorian England and my Grandfather worked as a young man in a textile mill. However things have improved in many ways in the last 100 years and his adversarial attitude seems antiquated, as well as extremely counter productive in 2018.

However, if his intention is to create anger and contempt towards CUPW he is well on his way to succeeding. Not only small business folks, but the general public will become frustrated and angry with Christmas shopping season starting this week.

The strike was the lead story on both CTV and Global national newscasts last night, so average Canadians are likely becoming aware that mailing gifts may not be a good idea. In the long term this will likely damage CP's reputation even more, leading to less people using the mail. Fewer customers will mean less income. If they keep raising rates every January things will reach a breaking point.

In its present state I see a dim future for CP and CUPW. I do not think the status quo can be maintained on this path.

katlover1952 · ‎11-20-2018

Agree. I think the tail is definitely wagging the dog here & if I was a member of that union I’d be good & mad that I was not allowed to vote on that offer. And why are there so many injuries.i also did not understand the comments about women working for nothing. This union has always been too powerful in my opinion & now they are holding the country hostage & are proud of it.

marnotom! · ‎11-20-2018

If the union was saying "no" to everything, negotiations would have ended a long time ago and CUPW would have been locked out.

momcqueen · ‎11-20-2018

Well, not quite.

Have you read the latest news tonight?

Canada Post now says don’t mail anything at all, they can’t say when it might be delivered. And in other news, postal workers are speaking out against the union.

Check the other threads for sources.

marnotom! · ‎11-20-2018

I've responded to the news of Canada Post's latest salvo elsewhere. In essence, it's an attempt to drive down mail volumes and set up lockout conditions without actually locking out workers.

I get the sense that most of the bargaining has been done. It's just a handful--but an onerous and painful handful--of issues that are left to settle.

momcqueen · ‎11-20-2018

I fail to see any possible way to interpret the evidence to support that theory. It’s illogical. The mail is backlogged six weeks. How is six weeks of work plus all the regular work of sorting new mail to come from both inside and outside the country a de facto lock-out?

“With all efforts exhausted to restore operations while the labour dispute continues, Canada Post is advising commercial customers and Canadians that mail and parcels in or entering its network will have long and unpredictable delays before being delivered.

“This is likely to be the situation for the foreseeable future, meaning the next several weeks, including the peak holiday season and through January 2019.

“The postal service remains operational, but it is not able to honour its delivery standards for any product because of prolonged and ongoing rotating strikes. The strikes have created massive backlogs of mail and parcels already in our network, just days before we expect millions more parcels from Black Friday and Cyber Monday online sales.”

You’re saying workers will be locked-out after they work for six weeks steadily to clear the log jam of mail, are you?

Are you a wagering man? You think Canada Post will in fact lock- out their postal workers at the end of January after they’ve cleared the backlog. Just to show them who’s boss, you say. Before they start to sort the containers of mail from outside Canada being held by UPU partners at the request of Canada Post. Truckloads of it. Boatloads of it.

I’m confident that won’t be the case. Postal workers won’t be running out of mail to sort anytime soon. This is not a subverted attempt by Canada Post to do anything aside from contain the existing damage.

How many million parcels are handled per day in Canada between Black Friday and Christmas alone ?

silverpinups · ‎11-20-2018

The only way anything is going to change is if Canada Post shuts down and locks out the Postal workers.

The rotating strikes need to stop, otherwise negotiations are going to continue to go nowhere.

A lockout will prompt the Trudeau Government to act.......

momcqueen · ‎11-20-2018

Or are you saying Canada Post will wait until postal workers have finished sorting and processing the existing six weeks backlog of mail AND everything not yet brought into Canada from other countries before Canada Post makes good on what you suspect is their plan to reduce the mail being sent to such low amounts or levels that no one will be asked to come back to work? Isn’t that a layoff? Aren’t you in effect then predicting this is a tactic by Canada Post to layoff its workforce completely?

I’m certain that’s not how this works.

Please explain.

momcqueen · ‎11-20-2018

Please do explain your theory behind how Canada Post is using this desperate plea to “set up lockout conditions without actually locking out workers”.

You have the floor.

femmefan1946 · ‎11-20-2018

@rose-dee

If you do get a reply (but only if you mail your letter -- impossible at the moment!)

When I was doing exactly that job at Indian Affairs, most of our correspondence was emails, and we answered the same way.

The policy was to reply to any correspondence in the same manner it was sent.

I don't know how Twitter is handled. I retired in 2014.

The exception was invitations that were time-sensitive, which tended to be my responsibility. I phoned people to let them know that the Minister couldn't attend their event next week, and gently suggest that anything less than a couple of month's notice to travel to northern Saskatchewan would present difficulties.

I got yelled at a lot.