Canada Post 2018 parcel changes

 https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/assets/pdf/business/parcelRate_2018_OoC_en.pdf

 

Highlights:

 

1. Light Packet dies. Small Packet and Tracked Packet get an additional 0-100g price range to help compensate.

 

 

2. Expedited Parcel (Canada) gets a volumetric change. Starting January 15 the divisor will be 5000 instead of 6000.  This will push some parcel sizes into a higher price range. Regular parcel will remain unchanged with a 6000 divisor. So for some sizes Regular Parcel may be a better price than a discounted Expedited Parcel price.

 

 

3. Domestic prices will be up about 4% and the rest of the world up around 1.2%

 

 

4. Manual Small Packet labels will be phased out -- bar codes will be required (even if they are not tracked).

 

 

Actual 2018 parcel rates still to be released.

 

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More: https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/kb/details.page?article=service_and_price_ch

 

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Quick check or rates for a Canadian shipment:

Size: 22x18x2cm, 250g, no volumetric change, Ontario to Alberta, 13% HST, SfSB level_1

 

XpressPost

Over-the-counter ... $18.56

Snap Ship or EST Online ... $17.25

PayPal ... $17.25

Shippo ... $17.25

 

Expedited

Over-the-counter ... $16.62 for regular

Snap Ship or EST Online ... $15.28

PayPal ... $15.28

Shippo ... $14.35  (15.28 for regular)

 

In this example the new volumetric difference did not kick in between Expedited and Regular parcel so Shippo is the price winner.

 

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Which did I choose?

None of the above.

Oversize lettermail (less than 2cm thick) ... $4.63 w/tax

(but since I used discounted stamps actual cost was around $3.25)

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It's timely that you brought this up this afternoon @ypdc_dennis.  

 

On Jan. 28th, I sent an expedited parcel to Toronto.  The measurements were:

 

35 x 25 x 10  Weight:  1.25 kg

 

The price on PayPal was $17.64 and the Shippo Price was  $15.65 -- a big difference.  I was tempted to go with the Shippo price but was reminded of the posts concerning the additional small charges being levied after shipment.

 

Since this was a larger parcel than I normally send, I thought I would play it safe and use PayPal.  The completed label showed a weight of 1.75 kg.  I assumed this was the converted volumetric weight and so was sure that I was good to go.

 

Today, I received an e-mail from PayPal indicating that I owed Canada Post an additional $.80 for that parcel.  Go figure!!

 

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On Jan. 28th, I sent an expedited parcel to Toronto.  The measurements were:

35 x 25 x 10  Weight:  1.25 kg

The price on PayPal was $17.64 and the Shippo Price was  $15.65 -- a big difference.  I was tempted to go with the Shippo price but was reminded of the posts concerning the additional small charges being levied after shipment.

Since this was a larger parcel than I normally send, I thought I would play it safe and use PayPal.  The completed label showed a weight of 1.75 kg.  I assumed this was the converted volumetric weight and so was sure that I was good to go.

 

Today, I received an e-mail from PayPal indicating that I owed Canada Post an additional $.80 for that parcel.  Go figure!!


(35 x 25 x 10)/5000 = 1.75 kg for Expedited would have been the correct value.

(35 x 25 x 10)/6000 = 1.46 kg for Regular -- one weight step difference.

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If you still have the label image, what rate price did PayPal actually put on the shipping label?

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I've never been charged extra on Shippo labels.

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(35 x 25 x 10)/5000 = 1.75 kg for Expedited would have been the correct value.

(35 x 25 x 10)/6000 = 1.46 kg for Regular -- one weight step difference.

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If you still have the label image, what rate price did PayPal actually put on the shipping label?

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I've never been charged extra on Shippo labels.

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The postage doesn't show on an expedited label within Canada (like it does for the U.S.), but my receipt shows $17.64.  The rate for Expedited on Shippo shows $16.57 and for Regular Parcel $16.66.  When I checked on Jan. 28th, the rate shown was $15.65 but, in any event, $1.00 cheaper on Shippo.  I couldn't click ahead to see what weight would be shown on the label, without actually purchasing the label.

 

So, when you say you have never been charged extra for Shippo labels, can I assume then that they are also converting to volumetric, but charging $1.00 less?  The bottom line is -- I don't want to do the calculation, so if all platforms do it, then I'll go with the cheapest.

 

Still, no explanation for the $.80 additional charge.

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Are you measuring your parcel are you going by the dimensions on the box (which are often in inches) and converting to metric?  The reason that I ask is that I used to use the  box size stated on the box but noticed that when I do measure it is often a bit larger than the stated size.

 

Anyway, on  the CP calculator the sizes you gave from Wpg to Toronto the small business discount says it is $17.64. When I entered a cm to each measurement so 36x26x11, the price was $18.64, a difference of .80.

I think that it is fairly safe to guess they measured it at the higher measurements.

 

You said you went with PP because you were worried about the extra charges but when you got charged extra a few months ago wasn't that with PP?  I'm guessing that whenever we use our small business number I think that they will be charging us extra if they think the package is bigger, regardless of which online site we use. All of the platforms will charge you the volumetric size if you use a service that uses it.

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Anyway, on  the CP calculator the sizes you gave from Wpg to Toronto the small business discount says it is $17.64. When I entered a cm to each measurement so 36x26x11, the price was $18.64, a difference of .80.

I think that it is fairly safe to guess they measured it at the higher measurements.

 

I did measure the box but I find it hard to believe I short-measured by a cm 3 times ... but who am I to argue with Canada Post, right?  lol  I don't have an identical box on hand so I can't measure it.  I seldom use that size box.

 

You said you went with PP because you were worried about the extra charges but when you got charged extra a few months ago wasn't that with PP?

 

Yes it was, but I believe that was before I started used Shippo.  I know I went back and forth for quite a while, but I haven't shipped a large box for quite some time.

 


 

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That's just it..how are we to know that their measurements are accurate and our meaurements are inaccurate since they don't give us any proof or even tell us what the exact problem was.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that if you overpay by .80 they aren't going to call it even if you underpay on the next parcel.

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I had a box just today that was three cm longer along one side than the other side of the same side. It's a real problem. These boxes are not uniform. 

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Do you use new boxes? Or repurpose old ones? Do anything unusual like wrap the box in brown paper with string or something? Is there something that could trigger a mis-measure about the box itself? 

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Do you use new boxes? Or repurpose old ones? Do anything unusual like wrap the box in brown paper with string or something? Is there something that could trigger a mis-measure about the box itself? 


I buy boxes in bulk ... several different sizes.  Occasionally, I'll reuse a box that I received items in from, say, Lancome, Estee Lauder, or the Bay.  I'm not sure if we're even supposed to do that, but these are usually odd-sized boxes that I may need only occasionally.  And I don't wrap them in brown Kraft paper or anything like that.

 

I recall someone saying they ship in used Amazon boxes because they believe that they will be delivered faster.  I don't know how that's working for them.

 

But, even with new boxes, I notice that sometimes the sides don't line up evenly when I try to tape them.  I'm just going to have to measure more carefully from now.

 

BTW, how are boxes measured and weighed at the Canada Post sorting centers (if that's what they're called)?  Do they pass through some sort of digital scale and measuring device which tosses out ones that don't match the dimensions on the label?  And how can all labels be read, when we've all seen people at the Post Office who hand-write addresses in big colored markers and use all sorts of tape, etc. 

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Are you measuring your parcel are you going by the dimensions on the box (which are often in inches) and converting to metric?  The reason that I ask is that I used to use the  box size stated on the box but noticed that when I do measure it is often a bit larger than the stated size.

 

Anyway, on  the CP calculator the sizes you gave from Wpg to Toronto the small business discount says it is $17.64. When I entered a cm to each measurement so 36x26x11, the price was $18.64, a difference of .80.

I think that it is fairly safe to guess they measured it at the higher measurements.

 

You said you went with PP because you were worried about the extra charges but when you got charged extra a few months ago wasn't that with PP?  I'm guessing that whenever we use our small business number I think that they will be charging us extra if they think the package is bigger, regardless of which online site we use. All of the platforms will charge you the volumetric size if you use a service that uses it.


Box dimensions printed on a box are usually of the inside space. Because the cardboard thickness can vary and  from single wall to double wall, or for consistency when shopping from different box manufacturers, the inside dimensions is most important to fit the product.

 

From Uline Canada

 

https://www.uline.ca/guide/BoxGuides.htm

 

Measure A Box

  1. Listed dimensions are always inside dimensions.

 

And another web site

 

https://www.propac.com/packaging-materials/corrugated-shipping-cases/how-measure-corrugated-box/

Inner Dimensions? Or Outer Dimensions?

There are many ways you could measure a corrugated box. Here are helpful guidelines to accurately communicate your requirements for determining the right dimensions of your boxes. Use this info to work with case packing your boxes, and for handling your boxes with case formers, case tapers, and palletizers.

Corrugated case dimensions are stated in the order of length, width, and depth or height (L x W x H), referring to the opening of an assembled box. Usually, the length is the longer of the two sides, and the width is the shortest. The height (or depth if the box is on its side) is the distance between the opening and the opposite panel.

Case dimensions can be specified for either the inside or outside of the box.

Inside the Box

For an accurate fit of your product, inner measurements are considered.

When ordering or constructing a corrugated box, inside dimensions (ID) are used for measuring because the corrugated board thickness vary. A box constructed of C flute will have different outer dimensions than a box made from E flute material. When measuring the inside of an existing box, measure from the center of the score (fold line). Be sure to specifty the measurements as inner dimensions, for example: 24"L x 18"W x 14"H ID.

Outside the Box

For shipping considerations such as case forming and pallet patterns, outer dimensions are used.

When determining the right equipment to erect, form, tape, or glue your corrugated case, outer dimensions (OD) are considered. Outer dimensions are also used for shipping in general and pallet configuration purposes. Indicate that the measurements are outer dimensions, for example: 24.5"L x 18.5"W x 14.5"H OD.

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... the rate for Expedited on Shippo shows $16.57 and for Regular Parcel $16.66.  When I checked on Jan. 28th, the rate shown was $15.65 but, in any event, $1.00 cheaper on Shippo.  I couldn't click ahead to see what weight would be shown on the label, without actually purchasing the label.

So, when you say you have never been charged extra for Shippo labels, can I assume then that they are also converting to volumetric, but charging $1.00 less?  The bottom line is -- I don't want to do the calculation, so if all platforms do it, then I'll go with the cheapest.


The Shippo prices make sense.

Expedited gets treated as a heavier parcel (due to volumetric), but still gets an eBay additional discount of around 6% -- so in this case you lose with one and gain with the other.

Regular did not get a volumetric price jump, but it also does not have an eBay extra discount.

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All platforms should be doing the volumetric equation, but the change is recent for the Canadian Expedited equation, so still the possibility of error.

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For parcel measurements always round up. 

And sometimes the boxes are not the same size at different ends.

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BTW, how are boxes measured and weighed at the Canada Post sorting centers (if that's what they're called)?  Do they pass through some sort of digital scale and measuring device which tosses out ones that don't match the dimensions on the label?  And how can all labels be read, when we've all seen people at the Post Office who hand-write addresses in big colored markers and use all sorts of tape, etc. 


 All boxes have a bar code these days for identification -- even those with addresses written in crayon. 

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I rarely ship large orders but I buy online from Japan a lot, and those online stores / forwarders use quite sturdy boxes so I often save them for a while and reuse them for my eBay sales. Though if it’s a colourful box I’m reusing (some Japanese stores have really pretty shipping boxes), I usually will tell the buyer that their order will come in a red box for example. I kinda just pick whatever box that fits my order the best, measure them manually, but will usually add 1cm to all dimensions just in case I measured wrong. Haven’t had CP go after me for short postage yet. Though when I do that, I usually play around with the label to see what’s the highest weight I can enter without going up in postage and print the label that way, to give me more leeway with packing materials and perhaps throw in a freebie or two to the buyer. Yes I’m one of the weird ones who print the label prior to packing...

 

How do you even reuse Amazon boxes nowadays? I personally don’t find them sturdy enough, and most of the time it’s more like a wraparound cardboard that you can’t really reuse as shipping box anyway. I do use them as stiffener for books that I’m shipping with envelope and bubble wrap but that’s it. 

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“BTW, how are boxes measured and weighed at the Canada Post sorting centers (if that's what they're called)?”

 

 

There was a post from someone else recently that said they use some type of laser to check the measurements. I don’t know anything about that.

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That makes perfect sense poco but it never occurred to me those were inside measurements. 

ooooppps

lol

 

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Yes, right? I mean, of course. I never thought about it fully either. There has to be two measures, inside the cardboard box for your product and then again the outside dimensions for fitting your shipments on to pallets for actual hardcore transport to another location. I suppose it shows thatI never worked in a warehouse, loading dock, shipping and receiving or logistics! There is a school in Winnipeg that promises a diploma in online selling and logistics and I looked into it but it was a few thousand dollars more than I have available for professional development at this point. I bet this would be something taught there. 

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Oh, it was Supply Chain Management. That's what it was about, this course. 

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It never even occurred to me to measure the inside of the box.

 

When it's all taped up ... that's when I measure.

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and be sure to measure at different points on all sides of the package/box to get the most accurate measurements. I have not had any issues with my measurements.

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