Canada Post Possible Stike

[stanley613]

What happens now that orders are in the mail with a possible expected delivery date of September 30 and early October, what happens if not received there is no way of knowing whether these items will be received after strike is over.  Will eBay delay delivery date?

[cumos55]

The record of the debate in relation to Bill-C89 has all been read....a most interesting reality.

Daniel Blaikie added the following sentence to a list of things the Government should not have done.....  on page 12, second last entry  in this "debate"

"The hard decision to make is to say no to a player like eBay when that company comes to the government and tells it what it wants."

eBay's letter to the Government  is available on eBay.

https://www.ebaymainstreet.com/sites/default/files/ebay_letter_to_pm_canada_post_nov2018.pdf

This letter contributed significantly to the Government's understanding of the effect of the strike on Canadian sellers on eBay....  and on all  Small and Medium Business in Canada. 

This letter and other similar sources of information contributed significantly to the Government's understanding of the importance of online businesses.....  first to the seller  and second to the buyer

[momcqueen]

That is the reason MP Blaikie now warrants a special follow-up letter from me.

He pretends eBay is writing government due to being a large, multinational corporation who’s only concern is itself and its third beach-house when he KNOWS because I told him so that *I* am one of the thousands of individual sellers on ‘ebay’ which is being negatively affected by rotating strikes. Little me, the seller who can’t pay their utility bills now because of a postal strike.

It’s deliberate misrepresentation. Worse, it’s misrepresentation because I wrote to him as well as when I wrote everyone else. He cannot profess innocence in ignorance of the facts, it’s deliberate misuse of them to serve a fictional narrative. In other words, blatant lying. He stood in the House of Commons and spoke words that deliberately misled the truth as it was given to him. I realize this is politics but if you’re going to lie and get away with it as a politician, you need at least to be able to pretend you didn’t know better at the time which is not the case here. He knew better. Because I told him so.

[reveur*]

Thing is, this isn't ebay's fault so they don't NEED to give us anything. it should be CANADA POST that offers free shipping, discounts, etc. but of course this has not happened and all the blame goes to CUPW. you'd think that Canada Post would at least lower its expedited and express shipping costs during this time.

I also love reading Mike's statements (CUPW) saying that the public is not impacted by this strike and that there are NO delays. Ha ha ha... is he ok? there are CLEAR and OBVIOUS delays. Why is an EXPRESS package from the states that should have been here within the week, sitting "in transit" for 3 weeks? This goes for ALL my express shipments. Why are my local shipments updated with 5+ days of "delay due to labour disruption" that were shipped expedited? I would like to know what planet he is on thinking the strike isn't impacting Canadians. He also claims that his workers can clear the backlog withing ONE DAY. Canada Post says the backlog is now 1 MILLION parcels that will take up to mid JANUARY to clear. HUH

And what is with the senate pushing the back to work legislation for a THIRD hearing today? this is beyond ridiculous. BOTH sides are to blame and who can be trusted to be telling the truth? Our government is useless too.

MOST Canadians have NO sympathy for the union or its members. The union doesn't even have sympathy for its OWN members. Not allowing them to have a voice and VOTE, and now threatening expulsion if they accept overtime during their rotating strike day. Wow, tell me if that is a union you want to pay dues to? one that is power hungry, threatening and oppressive?

Please. We have been patient enough. Order to work and lets move on, negotiations will still take place. The public has had enough, you will see this reflected next year in the elections. I am sure most of the public has also lost total faith and support in the CUPW, seeing them more as a whiny, self entitled militant union rather than one that wants to truly help and pave the way for others.

[cumos55]

Mike Palecek's view of negotiations is what was practiced 50 to 100 years again.

His expression  in an interview  by a "Marxist" magazine was....

We will fight for everything..... and if we get it,  we will fight for more

[momcqueen]

It’s the general membership who foot the bill for that style of leadership.

Today is pivotal.

[momcqueen]

Do we have a link to that interview? I’d like to read it.

[reveur*]

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@cumos55 wrote:

Mike Palecek's view of negotiations is what was practiced 50 to 100 years again.

His expression  in an interview  by a "Marxist" magazine was....

We will fight for everything..... and if we get it,  we will fight for more

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Haha, I will like to see how long that lasts, every year he pushes his union members into a strike will be a year closer to the fall of the CUPW. Lose the public support, lose the union. He is on another level. Another dogmatic, rigid, power hungry leader. 

[cumos55]

A link to the interview.....

https://marxist.ca/labour/17-labour-news/1425-postal-workers-prepare-for-strike-interview-with-cupw-...

[hlmacdon]

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@cumos55 wrote:

Mike Palecek's view of negotiations is what was practiced 50 to 100 years again.

His expression  in an interview  by a "Marxist" magazine was....

We will fight for everything..... and if we get it,  we will fight for more

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His choice of venue and philosophy represents everything that is wrong with some unions. The workplace is not meant to be a socialist utopia where everything is awesome and the universe rolls out the divine red carpet of fairness, it has to balance a range of interests. Every workplace has aspects that suck. Negotiations aren't the World Cup where one team wins everything. When you act like an unhinged raving lunatic you aren't going to win support from anywhere other than your base.

[momcqueen]

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@cumos55 wrote:

A link to the interview.....

https://marxist.ca/labour/17-labour-news/1425-postal-workers-prepare-for-strike-interview-with-cupw-...

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Thank you, I looked and didn't find it. It was in FightBack Canada which is 'the Marxist voice of Labour and Youth'. Allow me to highlight the parting remarks.

FB:  And in that same vein of thought, in the past period, the leadership of the labour movement has shied away from struggle and confrontation, leading to one defeat after another. Do you see the postal workers strike as an opportunity to revive the militant traditions of class struggle unionism?

MP: I think that every potential strike has the potential to do that. For me, this goes back to some of the ABCs of trade unionism. I always say that there are two rules in the labour movement. Rule #1: You don’t get anything unless you fight for it. Rule #2: You don’t get to keep anything, unless you keep fighting. So abandoning the struggle is surrender.

'Abandoning the struggle is surrender.'

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-senators-to-resume-debate-on-legislation-to-end-can...

"Final debate on the legislation is expected to begin by mid-afternoon, likely followed by an early evening vote.

"The bill could receive royal assent and become law a short time later, which would force striking postal workers back to work by noon on Tuesday.

"However, the legislation could be delayed by a number of factors, such as amendments."

[forester_studios]

Not allowing the membership a vote is not leadership. It is dictatorship. It's interesting Mike complains about CUPW's democratic rights being attacked by back to work legislation while denying the membership their democratic right to vote.

[muscoviteman]

"Not allowing the membership a vote is not leadership. It is dictatorship"
Utter nonsense. Members elect their representatives, vote to give or not give a strike mandate, then vote to ratify any agreement.

Similarly when you elect someone to Ottawa you don't get to vote personally on every piece of legislation. Generally you don't even get to ratify the results via a referendum except in exceptional cases. This is no different.

[momcqueen]

Oh good, you’re back. I asked a question of you on the other thread. You can find it under the bell at top right.

[forester_studios]

So your saying what the union leadership did was acceptable?

[reveur*]

i would like to see what the actual postal workers feel, instead of union representatives and mike's devoted cronies who are just as dogmatic and blind as him. i am willing to bet that majority would have taken the offer they were denied to vote on and get back to work. do they even get paid during their rotating strikes? what is this with CUPW threatening expulsion for anyone who wants to work overtime? the union is one large contradictory party made up of militant-like leaders and representatives who aim is to brainwash and push their own agendas for the foreseeable future. i am not saying canada post is innocent, obviously they too, have significant flaws - from the public's perspective: pricing for one. service as well. but this strike has really caused a lot of damage and to deny that, pretending like everything is ok and the public isnt impacted, is sheer idiocy and frankly, insulting. i am curious to see the outcome of tonight. 

what angers me the most is this Mike guy denying that the public is impacted and that Canada Post is exaggerating delays. If he claims his people will get the backlog cleared in one day, then i'd like to see the health and safety measures of THAT - because that would be tremendous pressure and im guessing A LOT of overtime.  

if you want to get a glimpse of what people think, check out twitter feeds, check out CBC comments under articles, check out anywhere that public comments are acceptable and you will see that most people DO NOT support the union and DO NOT support this strike. this includes Canada Post workers. 

[momcqueen]

We'll find out how postal workers feel tomorrow when they return to work minus the $1000 they could have had to do so had they been allowed to vote on the last offer from management.

When I hear the CUPW leader speak and read his words, he strikes me as an idealist and a zealot. All causes need idealist zealots to inspire the troops but they make terrible negotiators. Negotiations require a crafty mind capable of thinking 28 steps in each direction, political savvy and diplomacy. 

[spinorfields]

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[forester_studios]

Negotiators need a win win outlook. Negotiation is all about give and take on both sides. Just glad to see the Senate finally pass the legislation. Hopefully thing s improve in the next week or so. In the long term I'm less optimistic about Canada posts future as I'm sure they will lose more long term customers after this nonsense. Time to reevaluate shipping options in 2019.

[skylarstuff]

I know a few Postal workers,  some are angry that the union did not allow them to even vote on the $1,000.  cool off bonus.  The union gets about 8 million per year in dues from the just over 50,000 employees who have no choice in paying the dues.  If you work at Canada Post you need to be a part of the union unless of course if you are in management. There is a simple solution to all of this in the future going forward.  Union signs a contract that they will not strike and the Canada Post will not lock them out.  Have a timeline where if talks do not pan out an arbitrator comes in and makes a ruling.  Sounds fair and easy..........but the union will never agree to such a contract.  Why, because they think they can do better in bargaining and expecting Canada Post to cave in to their demands.  Their big stick is to strike especially at this time of the year.  They do not like the fact that the government took their stick away.

[forester_studios]

It's hard to believe they didn't realize that job action at the Christmas shopping season would not only anger the business's that are the best customers , but also the public who shop online. I figured weeks ago that the Feds would have to act or face the wrath of both groups. A self defeating strategy that speaks volumes of the arrogance and stupidity of CUPW leadership. There will be fewer businesses using CP because of this leading to less likelihood the unions future demands can be met.