Canada post strike

Since the postal strike is growing, and reports are that the mail is backlogged and stuck on trucks,  does anyone have any advice?  I went to my local post office today to mail packages, but they are shut down.   I have a lot of listings ending this week, which have a lot of bids on them - but if we can't mail them out what do we do? 

I can't seem to find any info on this, or a way to contact the bidders to let them know about the strike.   

Would it be best for us canadian sellers to just cancel all of our current listings (even with bids on?) and stop listing until the strike is over?  

Any advice would be appreciated.   

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And Wednesday (Nov 7) morning CUPW has:

  • Acadie Bathurst (NB)
  • Belleville (ON)
  • Brockville (ON)
  • Campbellton (NB)
  • Chatham (ON)
  • Clinton (ON)
  • Cornwall (ON)
  • Edmundston (NB)
  • Fredericton (NB)
  • Georgetown (ON)
  • Haut-du-Lac (QC)
  • Kingston (ON)
  • Lindsay (ON)
  • Milton (ON)
  • Miramichi (NB)
  • Newmarket (ON)
  • Orangeville (ON)
  • Port Hope (ON)
  • Quebec (QC)
  • St. Stephen (NB)
  • Stratford (ON)
  • Strathroy (ON)
  • Tillsonburg (ON)
  • Toronto (ON) Gateway, SCLPP, WPDH, VISTA, AMF, NECF, 300 Courtney Park, Gateway (West Trans and South Trans) , Kestrel and Bradco
  • Wingham (ON)
  • Woodstock (NB)
  • Woodstock (ON)
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@momcqueen wrote:
Isn’t the sticking point that rural carriers don’t get paid the same as urban carriers despite their jobs being vastly different?
Who said urban carriers should get pay cuts to make what rural ones do? I didn’t see that anywhere. People are getting their knickers twisted over factual misrepresentations.


It was reported some weeks ago that the urban/rural pay issue had been resolved.  I've lost the link to the article/announcement now, but it's on one of the earlier threads. 

 

To be honest, I don't know exactly what the current bone of contention is.  I just wish it would end.  The period from late August to the end of November is normally my best and busiest.  Selling to U.S. buyers without tracking (which I can't afford for most items) during a Canadian postal strike is a risky business (American buyers don't know anything about CPC, and why should they?), so I've avoided listing many new items and/or doing the usual promotion.  By early December I usually shut down anyway for lack of sales.  So thanks to this postal mess I will have lost virtually the entire sales season.   I'm really barely hanging on at this point.  I imagine you'll probably have just the opposite problem, with buyers ramping up pre-Xmas toy purchases. 

 

There are times like this when I think we should return to the system we had 40 or 50 years ago, or at least a hybrid of it, with significant funding input from the federal government.  The mail system isn't what it used to be (who sends letters anymore?).  Thousands of Canadian small businesses are now dependent upon Canada Post for parcel services. 

 

Maybe it's time for the government to recognize what an integral and indispensable part of the economy CPC has become and reconsider supporting it directly.  So what if CPC can't stand on its own?  Just guarantee that it will work without interruption -- the Canadian government does this in many other areas.  Stop raising postal rates every year but use some of our tax dollars to ensure we can rely on what has become an essential business partner (CPC).   I see this as a win-win, small businesses do better, more taxes for the government, more available money to keep the cycle going.   I know the old arguments against this, chief amongst them that the government doesn't want to have to be directly involved in labour disputes as used to be the case decades ago.  It gets ugly politically.  

 

Yet the government of Canada is now going to be earning buckets of cash from taxes on the sale of weed.  Set aside some coin to support small Canadian businesses and enact legislation to keep labour negotiations at arm's length from the government (i.e. some sort of required mediation process). 

 

The alternative may be that private companies will eventually fill the gaps, weakening Canada Post even further and making it necessary to raise postal rates even higher.   Which will mean fewer small businesses able to compete, fewer taxes from those businesses, and more people who may need to rely on other kinds of government support.   I just don't believe the current model is sustainable. 

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Canada Post is caught between two realities

 

(1) The Canada Post Corporation Act  --- The Government says Canada Post must do this.

 

(2) The Canada Labor Code --- CUPW, the postal union, says Canada Post must do this.

 

CUPW is putting the squeeze on Canada Post.....    The last time this happened made Canada Post issue a lockout notice......  and then ....

 

The Government of Canada said ... Get Back to Work.....   and the strike/lockout was over.

 

This may take longer in 2018 than 2011 because in 2018.....  much less of the general population depends on Canada Post in relation to lettermail.  This group of people could not care much about parcels, and people, on-line sellers,  like sellers on eBay..

 

All we have to take notice of is the fact that the movement of parcels through the postal system  is slowly beginning to be a problem.  

 

On-line sellers are gradually being affected by the rotation strikes....  and these sellers do not have a big, loud voice for anyone to hear.

 

Could it be that we  need a "union" of internet sellers???

 

 

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I have to add that, as much as I appreciate eBay's attempt to shield us from its own punishment of sellers during the Canada Post dispute, there is nothing to shield us from irritated (or disgusted) buyers -- especially our American buyers who likely have no idea what's going on with Canada Post.   They are used to 2 or 3-day delivery domestically, and at a cheaper price too.   Even in normal circumstances, I'm lucky if I can get my parcels out of Canada within 3 days, then there is U.S. Customs, then finally USPS delivery.  My "normal" 6 to 8 day delivery is already pretty poor in their eyes.  

 

With my sales slow even prior to this strike, I'm far more concerned about keeping every buyer's satisfaction, and ensuring every repeat buyer is happy enough to come back, than I am about getting a slap or two from eBay because Canada Post was too slow.  😞

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@cumos55 wrote:

 

This may take longer in 2018 than 2011 because in 2018.....  much less of the general population depends on Canada Post in relation to lettermail.  This group of people could not care much about parcels, and people, on-line sellers,  like sellers on eBay..

 

 

On-line sellers are gradually being affected by the rotation strikes....  and these sellers do not have a big, loud voice for anyone to hear.

 

Could it be that we  need a "union" of internet sellers??? 

 


Yes, you're right that the parties are caught between a legislative rock and a hard place.  Yet the federal government could choose to change that legislation to accommodate a government-run (or at least government-subsidized) postal system.  I realize it's wishful thinking, but the Liberals have a majority at the moment and could get it done. 

 

You make a good point about the general population not caring so much about Canada Post.  Yet decades ago, there was little financial loss involved in a postal strike that prevented mail delivery of (mostly) personal letter mail.  As I recall, the biggest outcry then was over old age pension cheques and the like that couldn't be delivered.   

 

In those years, there was no other alternative for pension cheque delivery.  Now we have digital deposits available, so fewer people care about a strike.  But the financial impact is far higher these days because of small business parcel use.   You're right, small business needs to organize somehow, but perhaps not a union per se.   Small business organizations need to be much louder and more demanding on this issue I think.  I've seen no reporting at all by the media on that side of the equation.  I wish they'd take the matter up with more interest.  Personally I'll be writing to my MP to complain, for whatever good that may do.  

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Forty to 50 years ago?

Circa 1975 was when the PO was in a total mess, which was partly cultural as the workers were Boomers and management was made up of WWII officers with an entirely different mindset.

Those who think the PO is racked by labour troubles are reflecting those days.

 

It interested me a couple of years ago when a Canada Post senior executive mused to the G&M Report on Business that Canada Post was seeing a return to their situation in the early 20th century when the bulk of their business was parcel delivery. Letters and bills were a blip in the mid to latter part of the century, apparently.

 

It would be useful for those who want to privatize the Post Office, a crown corporation which is usually profitable, to actually look at the charges of the many private companies who work in Canada.

Although they pay their workers less and deliver only to the most profitable routes (Old Crow? Nah. Burnstown? Not a chance. Tofino? Forget it.) their charges are higher for similar services.

And since most are foreign owned, their profits do not stay in Canada.

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From the CUPW website

 

Dated November 7, 2018

 

"Today, Minister of Labour Ms Patty Hajdu extended the appointment of Mr. Morton Mitchnick as a mediator, for a period of 4 days, to assist the parties in reaching negotiated collective agreements. "

 

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Could this be an indication that something might happen....  Whatever that could be.....

 

 

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A Canada Post announcement dated November 7, 2018

 

Service impacts as strikes have trailers of parcels backlogged

 

Toronto is a key processing hub for mail and parcels in Canada. It was shut down by the union for two consecutive days in October and is now idle again due to the union’s strikes with no indication of when it will end. This will worsen the backlogs at our facilities and customers should expect delays of several days for mail or parcel deliveries. Prior to the union’s decision to target Toronto again, the number of trailers full of parcels and packets waiting to be unloaded and processed at a Canada Post facilities sat at over 150.

 

The escalating strikes have now shut down our three largest processing facilities in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal up to 48 hours. Combined, those three plants can process a million parcels and packets a day for communities across the country.

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Minister of Labour Patty Hajdu extended the appointment of Morton Mitchnick as a mediator, for a period of 4 days, to assist the parties in reaching negotiated collective agreements.

 

The Thursday morning list:

  • Annapolis Valley (NS)
  • Antigonish (NS)
  • Baie-Comeau (QC)
  • Brantford (ON)
  • Breton (NS)
  • Bridgewater  (NS)
  • Chibougamau (QC)
  • Côte Nord (QC)
  • Cranbrook (BC)
  • Cumberland (NS)
  • Farnham (QC)
  • Guelph (ON)
  • Kamloops (BC)
  • Liverpool (NS)
  • Matane (QC)
  • Midland (ON)
  • New Glasgow (NS)
  • Orillia (ON)
  • Oshawa (ON)
  • Parry Sound (ON)
  • Penticton (BC)
  • Pictou (NS)
  • Port Hawkesbury (NS)
  • Quesnel (BC)
  • Rivière-du-Loup (QC)
  • St-Hyacinthe (QC)
  • Thetford Mines (QC)
  • Truro (NS)
  • Vernon (BC)
  • Williams Lake (BC)
  • Yarmouth (NS)
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Yikes, the list is getting longer each time, and covering larger towns and areas.  Now it's the entire "Annapolis Valley" (that would be my area), not just one community.   I guess I might as well take another "vacation".   Ackkkk. 

 

 

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

Forty to 50 years ago?

Circa 1975 was when the PO was in a total mess, which was partly cultural as the workers were Boomers and management was made up of WWII officers with an entirely different mindset.

Those who think the PO is racked by labour troubles are reflecting those days.

 It interested me a couple of years ago when a Canada Post senior executive mused to the G&M Report on Business that Canada Post was seeing a return to their situation in the early 20th century when the bulk of their business was parcel delivery. Letters and bills were a blip in the mid to latter part of the century, apparently.

 It would be useful for those who want to privatize the Post Office, a crown corporation which is usually profitable, to actually look at the charges of the many private companies who work in Canada.

Although they pay their workers less and deliver only to the most profitable routes (Old Crow? Nah. Burnstown? Not a chance. Tofino? Forget it.) their charges are higher for similar services.

And since most are foreign owned, their profits do not stay in Canada.


Yeah, the post office was a mess then too, but there was less at stake from an economic point of view than there is now (aside from the terrified seniors worried about their cheques). 

 

I do recall the discussion we had about early 20th C. postal use.  It's quite true, between the late 1890's and the mid 1920's a staggering amount of mail-order goods were handled by postal systems, stuff of every conceivable shape, size, and weight.  At that time the mail order/department store companies were entirely dependent upon the post office and the rail services.   In later decades many (like Eaton's) had fleets of their own delivery trucks.   I fondly remember as a child in Toronto the sight of those familiar burgundy trucks buzzing up and down suburban streets -- are they bringing my parcel?!

 

I'm not one who thinks privatization is a good idea either.  It does tend to squelch wages, and a completely privatized postal system will serve the needs that are most profitable, not the needs that are most equitable for a country like ours. 

 

We have an odd case, with our vast distances and tiny population.  Yet I think there are some things (like the post office) that help to hold us together as a country in more than merely practical terms.   So I personally think it's worth keeping out of private hands. 

 

The Crown Corporation was not a bad idea at the time it was introduced, but the economic landscape has changed so much, and we now have a large population of small businesses almost completely dependent upon uninterrupted delivery service.  Yes, there are a lot of lucky people living in the big cities close enough to the U.S. border to use Chit Chats and its ilk during postal strikes, but I expect there are just as many of us out here in the boonies.   Maybe the federal government should do a careful survey of how many  people are supplementing family income (or seniors avoiding having to apply for G.A.I.N) by running their small businesses from home using Canada Post, and then do a cost/benefit analysis of subsidizing Canada Post in some way.   Oh yes, and by the way, we pay taxes on that business income too.  

 

In fact, the internet and Canada Post together are the only things that make earning at least a partial living from Cornerbrook to Cranbrook possible.  Fortunately the internet doesn't go on strike (not yet at least). 

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Hahaha -- I'm actually laughing out loud -- I think you will too.  As a linguist I find it amusing that the eBay bots apparently don't understand Latin terms commonly used in English.  I got a *BLEEP* for the 3-letter word meaning "with" in Latin that's often used in English in the sense of "combined with".   I know exactly what the bird-brained bots thought it meant, potty-minded bunch that they are!  LOL...LOL...LOL   laughing

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Post office will be closed November 12.

If a local is on strike during Remembrance Day are the members eligible for holiday pay?

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The early Friday morning CUPW list:

  • Baie-Comeau (QC)
  • Brantford (ON)
  • Chibougamau (QC)
  • Côte Nord (QC)
  • Cranbrook (BC)
  • Drummondville (QC)
  • Farnham (QC)
  • Goose Bay (NL)
  • Granby (QC)
  • Guelph (ON)
  • Kamloops (BC)
  • Labrador City-Wabush (NL)
  • Matane (QC)
  • Midland (ON)
  • Orillia (ON)
  • Oshawa (ON)
  • Parry Sound (ON)
  • Penticton (BC)
  • Quesnel (BC)
  • Rimouski (QC)
  • Rivière-du-Loup (QC)
  • St-Hyacinthe (QC)
  • Vernon (BC)
  • Williams Lake (BC)
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Remembrance Day morning:

  • Gaspé (QC)
  • Vancouver (BC): Mail Processing Plant (PPC)
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More pressure on Canada Post..

 

First you close down the smaller area.... and you hit that large processing plant in Vancouver....

 

How much more can Canada Post tolerate.....  before it all gets shut down.....??

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So if (one) of the issues the employees have a complaint with is mandatory overtime, when they do go back to work how is the backlog going to get cleaned up? Things to make a person say hmmmm!!! Not choosing a side here, just stating a fact.

 

https://www.cupw.ca/en/national-overtime-ban

 

-CM

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man·da·to·ry
/ˈmandəˌtôrē/
adjective
adjective: mandatory
  1. 1.
    required by law or rules; compulsory.
    "wearing helmets was made mandatory for cyclists"
    synonyms: obligatory, compulsory, binding, required, requisite, necessary, essential, imperative
    "a high school diploma is mandatory"
    antonyms: optional
    • of or conveying a command.
      "he did not want the guidelines to be mandatory"
 
They would like the choice to work or to go home to their families.
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I entirely agree with them having the option of being able to choose overtime or not. I've worked in a warehouse where they gave us 2 hours notice and we did not have a choice. It was all about getting the required work done by a certain time. I believe in that case it was a negotiated contract thing long before I started. My point was the longer this goes on, the more of a mess this is going to be to clean up.

 

-CM

 

 

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The mediator being extended an extra day (today) is at least a sign there is hope.....

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@ypdc_dennis wrote:

CUPW is trying to be cute, as only the sorting and distribution centres in the Toronto area are listed as being strike targets.


Sorry to be late to the party on this one.  The proliferation of threads on this dang strike are just serving to make me lose interest in following anything posted about it.

Back to the subject at hand, my understanding is that the rotating strikes affect specific sets of CUPW locals, which is why we sometimes see strikes affecting one-horse towns in the same geographical area as much larger centres.

It may be that those sorting and distribution centres were part of a local that the nearby retail locations weren't part of.

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