
02-10-2017 09:26 PM - edited 02-10-2017 09:28 PM
Despite my reservations about the matter, I opted to add Best Offer to virtually all my listings before Christmas to stimulate dismal sales performance. I'm pleased to report it helped stimulate sales as I hoped it would.
Here are my thoughts. Please bear in mind I'm not claiming to have run any tests, experiments or drawn conclusions. These are my thoughts only, offered for discussion or your general entertainment.
I decided early that if the Best Offer is even remotely close to what I might consider the very lowest end of acceptable if I were absolutely desperate, it's take it or leave it. At least in my sector of sales, there is little point to a counteroffer, it only prolongs the process and ties up what you can revise in a listings while the buyer lets the counteroffer time-out without responding.
Thoughts?
02-10-2017 10:54 PM
I have mixed feelings about Best Offer. I have had success with it ocasionally & other times it has been a nightmare with haggling buyers. On larger priced items worth $100.00 or more it works not too bad. But on small sales it doesn't pay for me to do it. People that offer ridiculous low offers or insult me get placed on my Blocked list. I remember once at a flea market a person kept haggling over an item & I refused to sell it to her. My husband told her the price had just gone up double for her.
02-10-2017 11:02 PM
Groan, I had a lady come to my ebay store via the kijiji ads I run and she was like that. Haggle haggle haggle, finally satisfied, came to to pick up and pay to get her stuff and she was a nightmare on my doorstep, told me a story about how she preferred to drown baby rabbits, and then three months later sends me a message out of the blue complaining she paid too much for what she had bought from me. Like.....? Egad.
02-10-2017 11:05 PM
Wait, it was 'I paid too much for what I bought, what else you got?'
02-11-2017 12:49 AM
I myself tried best offer on a few items and did put a minimum of what I would accept for BO. I had a couple of rude emails and decided that was not for me. I don't like haggling. For me BO brings out the bottom feeders. I spend hours researching prices and try to be competitive. Now I can never compete with US sellers who paid 10 cents per CD and sell them for $3 free shipping. But for the most part I do OK. I sell CD's and 80% are all priced under $10 free shipping, so to be offered $2, doesn't work for me. I am also moving away for free shipping for a change, shake things up. Shipping within Canada is $3.10, envelope .50, paypal and ebay fees on $10 is around $1.30 so that adds up to about $4.90 for the expenses.
02-11-2017 02:34 AM
so that adds up to about $4.90 for the expenses.
02-11-2017 04:47 AM
@mjwl2006 wrote:Despite my reservations about the matter, I opted to add Best Offer to virtually all my listings before Christmas to stimulate dismal sales performance. I'm pleased to report it helped stimulate sales as I hoped it would.
Here are my thoughts.
Very good analysis. Accurate, yet enjoyable and fun to read.
Too bad all those points can't be inserted into the eBay info page, http://pages.ebay.ca/help/sell/best-offer.html#work
just below the section on "How does Best Offer work?" could be your summation entitled,
"How Best Offer Really works." :-)
02-11-2017 05:54 AM
@mjwl2006 wrote:Groan, I had a lady come to my ebay store via the kijiji ads I run and she was like that. Haggle haggle haggle, finally satisfied, came to to pick up and pay to get her stuff and she was a nightmare on my doorstep, told me a story about how she preferred to drown baby rabbits, and then three months later sends me a message out of the blue complaining she paid too much for what she had bought from me. Like.....? Egad.
Groan, this is why I will never do local pick up. Not worth my time, better spent at work. And I'm also super paranoid about having strangers show up at my doorstep (yet somehow I'm okay with selling online and putting my address on there for return address...)
The only thing I have sold with local pick up on c****list were furniture because my parents were downsizing. We ended up just dragging everything onto the driveway two weeks later (smaller items taken to donation collection), free for pick-up, because we were fed up with the no-shows.
Back to best offer, I haven't had much issues with people being rude to me with best offer. If I think the offer is too low, I simply decline without saying a word. I used to include a note saying that their offer doesn't even cover shipping, now I don't bother. If their feedback left for others looked horrible, or if they were persistent with low-ball offers, I add them to by BBL list too.
I also have decent results with best offer, for example their offer is close to what I would accept, I'd counteroffer and also tell them if they buy multiple items I can sell them at their offered price. They either accept my counteroffer, or make their lower offer on a couple more items, or I just don't hear from them again.
02-11-2017 06:51 AM
02-11-2017 08:23 AM - edited 02-11-2017 08:26 AM
mjwl2006, interesting points and I can't say that I disagree with any one of them.
However, in my experience there is no reliable system to the way B.O. works. I don't automatically decline ridiculously low-ball offers because sometimes they do actually work out.
Last week a buyer offered me $50 for a $200 item. I counteredd with an offer just under $200. In time we agreed on a price we could both live with.
Then, she bought another $250 item for $240.
Go Figure, and that wasn't the first time I've seen that pattern. I'm dumbfounded as to why a seller would block buyers for making a low offers even if the offer is $1 for a $200 item.
I totally agree, though, that in general buyers make one offer and that's it. Only a few haggle back and forth.
For example, last month I had 2 buyers make offers for expensive items which I would have accepted, but both told me that it was just a starting point and invited me to counter-offer. I took the bait and counter-offered just a little bit higher and lost both of them.
02-11-2017 11:01 AM
Like others mentioned I normally only offer BO on higher priced stuff, usually $100s or more, and even then rarely anymore. I don't remember the last lot I listed that had BO on it so it has been quite a while.
Normally my counter offers aren't responded to.
Sometimes like silvie, I've had an offering situation stimulate other sales, but that is rare.
The new thing for me in the last few months is people making offers on stuff that does not have BO on it!!! I am probably getting 5 "questions" with an offer a week!
Because I list on .COM, I am able to respond to messages with a counter offer and don't have to change the listing to do so. I have completed a few sales this way in the last few weeks! Generally I don't accept offers on little stuff (things under $20) unless it is something old or that I think will be very slow to sell.
02-11-2017 11:04 AM - edited 02-11-2017 11:05 AM
The unsolicited 'best offers' posing as questions are a factor for me too. I don't get as many as five a week but at least one per week every week since I began to sell. They have dropped since I formally added Best Offer to the listings. I will say it takes less time to set up Best Offer with Auto-Decline on a listing than it does to politely tell a buyer I won't accept his $5 offer on a $40 item with free shipping.
(That would be a nice feature to see on ebay.ca.)
02-11-2017 11:11 AM
02-11-2017 01:47 PM
I think that the reason that B.O. gets so much attention here lately is because there's been a shift in the way buyers are using that function.
Also, ric, I'm a fan of the "Reply with Offer" function as well. That was a good idea on eBay's part.
02-11-2017 03:06 PM
I've been using Best Offer for years, probably from the first week it was available, with real and surprisingly consistent success. Here are my own thoughts (and advice, for anyone interested) on the subject of Best Offer, gained from many years of experimenting and using it in different ways:
Secondly, and more importantly, if Best Offer is used widely by a seller, for items of lower value as well as higher, it can defeat the benefit of Best Offer by creating a string of "declines" on lesser items. This not only reflects poorly on the seller generally, but may deter serious buyers a seller would hope would make an offer on more important items. As a buyer, I review the Best Offer history of sellers carefully before making an offer, and usually bypass anyone with a history of too many declines.
Lastly, auto-decline can actually work against the seller in getting the best price possible, especially if a less than scrupulous buyer sees the seller has a history of declines. I've seen this complaint reported by a number of sellers over the years. Some buyers, knowing they're dealing with a computer and not a person, will "fish" until they hit the seller's rock-bottom acceptance price on try #3, rather than simply making their best offer the first time around. I think this may particularly be a problem on lower-priced items, another reason not to use Best Offer indiscriminately.
I'm a solid fan of Best Offer, it's been extremely successful for me, has caused virtually no issues in terms of customer relations (or my nerves). It's helped make some of my best sales and happiest buyers over the years. EBay has tweaked Best Offer a little bit over the past decade, but really not that much compared to some of its other features, so it remains a core eBay feature. I do believe however, that it's something which has to be used with precision and strategy, and which takes time to master, like any good tool.
02-21-2017 07:11 PM
After reading you and Roses fantastic musing on whether, and how to use Make an Offer, I decided to give it a whirl. When I tried it in the past, I normally set the Auto-Decline, this time I didn't.
Forgive me for asking, but when there is an offer, where do you find out?
Tai.
02-21-2017 07:24 PM
02-21-2017 07:25 PM
And best of luck with it to you. Let us know how things transpire with your experience.
02-22-2017 03:26 AM
Years ago when I tried it, iirc, I remember seeing a notification to the right of the item. I'll keep an eye on that area as well.
I will report the outcome as soon as I know. Thanks for the great info, in this day and age every little bit helps.
The reason I gave up on using it, was I seemed to get nothing but low ball offers.
Thanks again.
02-26-2017 11:11 AM - edited 02-26-2017 11:12 AM
You are welcome.
A word of caution to all contemplating using Best Offer on multi-quality Good Till Cancelled (GTC) listings:
If you add Best Offer to a GTC listing with multi-quantities that had sales at any point, you cannot remove Best Offer (BO) if a sale has been made from that listing while Best Offer was added even if BO was not used to make said sale.
The only way is then get rid of Best Offer on that listing is to end the listing completely and then relist but you lose all your Watchers and Purchase History that way.
I know this because I'm trying to remove Best Offer from a specific product line that I sell because no one ever uses it; the BO feature only facilities low-ball offers and then insulting messages when those offers are declined (while the people who actually want that product just straight use Buy It Now) but ebay won't allow the BO feature to be removed. It's permanently embedded.
Not with a revise listing or Bulk Edit. No way, no how. I find this very irritating. Like I said, BO wasn't working on this particular product line so the only sales that ever happened on those listings were straight-up BINs. But I can't get rid of it.