08-04-2013 02:15 PM
I shipped item to shipping address on Sales Record and also PayPal payment. I have a stamped postal receipt from Canada Post that I have mailed it.
It turns out the address was wrong. It shows City: Buenos Aires. Looked complete to me. Turns out purchaser lives in the City of Tigre so item is lost.
eBay has now found in favor of the purchaser and refunded her payment.
Why am I responsible for a lost item when purchaser did not provide accurate shipping address?
08-04-2013 02:41 PM
Are you able to prove that it was delivered to the address that the buyer gave you originally? What you're describing in your post is proof that you shipped out the item.
When a buyer claims they didn't receive an item, eBay/PayPal are looking for proof that the buyer's claim that they didn't receive the item is bogus. If you can't prove that the item was delivered to the address you were given, you won't prevail in the case or claim.
08-04-2013 04:32 PM
@marnotom! wrote:Are you able to prove that it was delivered to the address that the buyer gave you originally? What you're describing in your post is proof that you shipped out the item.
When a buyer claims they didn't receive an item, eBay/PayPal are looking for proof that the buyer's claim that they didn't receive the item is bogus. If you can't prove that the item was delivered to the address you were given, you won't prevail in the case or claim.
There is no such address in Buenos Aires.
08-04-2013 04:51 PM
So you can't prove that the item was delivered to the address on file for the transaction.
That means you won't prevail in the claim.
Would you have been able to prove delivery if the address did exist? If not, the point of the address being invalid is pretty much moot.
08-04-2013 05:02 PM
Technically, you're supposed to check that the address provided is correct. Few people do.
This won't happen all that often that it should be a major deal for you.
08-04-2013 05:07 PM
If the address did exist, the purchaser still would not have received it because she does not live in the City of Buenos Aires, she lives in the city of Tigre. Someone living at the address in Buenes Aires would have received it.
eBay shows a tracking number for this item. Shipped from Colorado and delivered in Port Huron, Michigan. Funny, I shipped it from Sarnia, Ontario to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
08-04-2013 05:14 PM
@surplusdealdude wrote:Technically, you're supposed to check that the address provided is correct. Few people do.
This won't happen all that often that it should be a major deal for you.
You mean I should write and ask, "Hey, are you sure you gave me your right address? Just checking to make sure you didn't make a mistake."
How many of you sellers do? I know that none of the sellers I have dealt with ever have and I have purchased a lot of stuff since 2000.
What do you meant that it should not be a major deal for me? Its $71 and I work very hard for my living, its not a "freebie". I could never afford to buy a pair of $71 earrings for myself.
08-04-2013 06:11 PM
If the address did exist, the purchaser still would not have received it because she does not live in the City of Buenos Aires, she lives in the city of Tigre. Someone living at the address in Buenes Aires would have received it.
And you would prevail in the claim as you met the conditions of shipping to the address that was on file for the transaction and confirmation of delivery to that address. I know that sounds weird, but that's how seller protection operates.
eBay shows a tracking number for this item. Shipped from Colorado and delivered in Port Huron, Michigan. Funny, I shipped it from Sarnia, Ontario to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Seems odd that an item sent within the US would have an international tracking code. Must be an eBay glitch of some sort. How did you send the item? It looks like most of your items ship via untrackable Small Packet but I don't know what listing this is specifically.
You mean I should write and ask, "Hey, are you sure you gave me your right address? Just checking to make sure you didn't make a mistake." How many of you sellers do? I know that none of the sellers I have dealt with ever have and I have purchased a lot of stuff since 2000.
My wife and I would usually send a more diplomatically worded email to our buyers just asking them to confirm their shipping address.
Your experiences as a buyer just back up Surplus's point that few sellers seem to do this.
08-04-2013 06:54 PM
@marnotom! wrote:If the address did exist, the purchaser still would not have received it because she does not live in the City of Buenos Aires, she lives in the city of Tigre. Someone living at the address in Buenes Aires would have received it.
And you would prevail in the claim as you met the conditions of shipping to the address that was on file for the transaction and confirmation of delivery to that address. I know that sounds weird, but that's how seller protection operates.
But there is NO SUCH ADDRESS IN BUENOS AIRES, so its UNDELIVERABLE! Is that my fault or the fault of the purchaser who provided the wrong address? She actually admited it was her fault, but then turned around and said that her registration had the right address, so its my fault even though she gave the wrong information on the PayPal shipping address.. You see, Buenos Aires is not only a city but also a province. But she put the name of the city in as "Buenos Aires". To me it looked complete, I have never been in Argentina, and did not know that Buenos Aires was also a province. Even if I did, the fact that it was listed as "City" would not have arose my suspicion.
eBay shows a tracking number for this item. Shipped from Colorado and delivered in Port Huron, Michigan. Funny, I shipped it from Sarnia, Ontario to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Seems odd that an item sent within the US would have an international tracking code. Must be an eBay glitch of some sort. How did you send the item? It looks like most of your items ship via untrackable Small Packet but I don't know what listing this is specifically.
I did not send it within USA, I shipped from Canada. I never said it has an "international tracking code", just that the agent said it had tracking. I have since then checked the tracking and it was for an item I PURCHASED.
Yes, I send most of my items with Small Packet Air. It was a pair of earrings, trackable shipment would have been $65. I know there is a risk and unfortunately I have to take it, but when its a clear case of purchaser giving wrong address that makes the item undeliverable, I think it should be the purchasers cost as its a result of their mistake.
You mean I should write and ask, "Hey, are you sure you gave me your right address? Just checking to make sure you didn't make a mistake." How many of you sellers do? I know that none of the sellers I have dealt with ever have and I have purchased a lot of stuff since 2000.
My wife and I would usually send a more diplomatically worded email to our buyers just asking them to confirm their shipping address.
Maybe you could compose a diplomatic letter for me that won't offend. Also, I offer 1 day shipping, hard to delay a package waiting for a reply.
Your experiences as a buyer just back up Surplus's point that few sellers seem to do this.
We can hash this over until the cows come home and we won't see it the same. As far as I am concerned, I did my job, the purchaser was at fault, I should not be the victim.
Thank You for your input. It was interesting.
08-04-2013 07:48 PM
But there is NO SUCH ADDRESS IN BUENOS AIRES, so its UNDELIVERABLE! Is that my fault or the fault of the purchaser who provided the wrong address? She actually admited it was her fault, but then turned around and said that her registration had the right address, so its my fault even though she gave the wrong information on the PayPal shipping address.
Let's try this again.
Buyer makes claim of non-delivery.
eBay/PayPal check on transaction details: "What is the address on file for this transaction?"
eBay/PayPal check with seller: "Can you provide independent evidence (i.e. from the shipper) that the item reached the address on file for the transaction, or at least the city or postal code?"
If the seller can provide these details, then the buyer is considered not to have a legitimate claim and the seller prevails. If the seller can't provide these details, then the buyer's claim is upheld and their money is returned to them.
It is what it is, at least "on paper". Perhaps the CSR you deal with won't be so "by the book" and will allow you to keep the buyer's money as a courtesy and/or give the buyer a "special refund". Perhaps you won't prevail in this case/claim but an appeal will allow you to explain the unusual circumstances of this sale. But there's nothing I can find regarding seller protection that makes allowances for incorrect information provided by the buyer. Again, it is what it is.
I did not send it within USA, I shipped from Canada. I never said it has an "international tracking code", just that the agent said it had tracking. I have since then checked the tracking and it was for an item I PURCHASED.
I never said you sent it within the USA. I was just acknowledging that the "tracking" information on file was for an item shipped within the USA. This isn't all about you, you know.
Maybe you could compose a diplomatic letter for me that won't offend. Also, I offer 1 day shipping, hard to delay a package waiting for a reply.
This is pretty barebones, but I'm sure you can expand upon it:
Hi! Congratulations on winning this item. I'm so glad it's going to a good home. To help ensure that the item makes it safely to its new home, could you send me a quick note confirming your shipping address? Thanks!
What my wife and I would invariably find is that some buyers won't respond, of course, and some will respond within minutes, with the rest falling in between. If you time your auctions to end in the early evening, you should be able to get most of your items off by late afternoon, depending on your schedule and how your post office operates, of course.
It may not be your fault that the buyer provided you with a bad address, but as far as eBay is concerned, you're responsible for getting the item the buyer purchased to them in the condition stated in the listing. That's all there is to it. Do what you feel you have to do to meet your responsibilities and make allowances for the fact that sometimes things go south through no fault of your own. That's the nature of selling.
08-04-2013 09:57 PM
You are one fantastic employee. :-))) You tow the party line to perfection.
08-04-2013 11:31 PM
I always compare the address received within the eBay notice of a sale to the Paypal address presented in the email notice of payment received.
If the eBay and Paypal addresses are the same... no problem.
If the Paypal address is different than the eBay address I do ask for a confirmation of the mailing address.
and... Sometimes I will go to the ....Contact Information ....option on eBay.
and once after doing so I ended up with three addresses...
and BOY did I need a confirmation of the mailing address..
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Tracking can sometimes go crazy.
Parcel was tracked from Winnipeg to New York 10009... buyer got notice but never claimed the parcel..
Parcel was tracked to Montreal as a return to sender. then to Ville-Marie and then back to via JFK, New York 10022 as return to sender...
Canada Post could not find the parcel... Canada Post paid the insurance claim...
If tracking is strange contact Canada Post... via telephone... and ask for an explanation....
Make sure you are entering the correct tracking number......
08-04-2013 11:34 PM
If you mailed the parcel to the Paypal address and tracking shows a delivery to that address.... then there should be no problem.
Evidently easier said than actually happening...Ouch.....
08-05-2013 02:50 AM
Hi! Congratulations on winning this item. I'm so glad it's going to a good home. To help ensure that the item makes it safely to its new home, could you send me a quick note confirming your shipping address? Thanks!-
That sounds like overkill to me. How many times have you had an item sent to the wrong address? Like cumos,I do compare ebay and Paypal addresses and if they are the same, I mail the item and so far, (touch wood) that hasn't caused a problem. Even if I had the wrong address for someone once a year, I don't think that it would be worth having to contact the customer and wait for their answer before mailing their item. That is almost like insisting on tracking or insurance for every package just in case the buyer might be dishonest. Or...like refusing to sell to one country because one package got lost there.
08-05-2013 03:22 AM
@pjcdn2005 wrote:That sounds like overkill to me.
Possibly, but it also serves the purpose of developing a relationship with the buyer. In our note, we actually also try to make a bit of conversation with the buyer, particularly if they're European or American. Maybe it depends on what one is selling/buying, but I tend to appreciate it when the seller goes out of his or her way to try to personalize the transaction. With our eBay sales, my wife and I have tried to approximate the experience of purchasing from a brick and mortar retailer, and many if not most of our buyers seem to like that if her feedback comments received as a seller are any indication.
08-05-2013 04:04 AM
@cumos55 wrote:I always compare the address received within the eBay notice of a sale to the Paypal address presented in the email notice of payment received.
If the eBay and Paypal addresses are the same... no problem.
Purchaser's Contact Information, email notice of sale, Buyer details on Sales Record and PayPal Payment shipping address all showed City: Buenos Aires, default, Argentina
08-05-2013 04:22 AM
@marnotom! wrote:Hi! Congratulations on winning this item. I'm so glad it's going to a good home. To help ensure that the item makes it safely to its new home, could you send me a quick note confirming your shipping address? Thanks!
Thank You for going to the trouble of composing this script for me. Unfortunately I won't be using it because I sell objects and it makes no difference what kind of home they go to. What I care about is that they get it fast, in undamaged condition and that it meets with their expectations. In return I expect my purchasers to treat me fair and to be honest.
08-05-2013 04:25 AM
@marnotom! wrote:But there is NO SUCH ADDRESS IN BUENOS AIRES, so its UNDELIVERABLE! Is that my fault or the fault of the purchaser who provided the wrong address? She actually admited it was her fault, but then turned around and said that her registration had the right address, so its my fault even though she gave the wrong information on the PayPal shipping address.Let's try this again.
Buyer makes claim of non-delivery.
eBay/PayPal check on transaction details: "What is the address on file for this transaction?"
eBay/PayPal check with seller: "Can you provide independent evidence (i.e. from the shipper) that the item reached the address on file for the transaction, or at least the city or postal code?"
If the seller can provide these details, then the buyer is considered not to have a legitimate claim and the seller prevails. If the seller can't provide these details, then the buyer's claim is upheld and their money is returned to them.
It is what it is, at least "on paper". Perhaps the CSR you deal with won't be so "by the book" and will allow you to keep the buyer's money as a courtesy and/or give the buyer a "special refund" Perhaps you won't prevail in this case/claim but an appeal will allow you to explain the unusual circumstances of this sale. But there's nothing I can find regarding seller protection that makes allowances for incorrect information provided by the buyer. Again, it is what it is.
I did not send it within USA, I shipped from Canada. I never said it has an "international tracking code", just that the agent said it had tracking. I have since then checked the tracking and it was for an item I PURCHASED.I never said you sent it within the USA. I was just acknowledging that the "tracking" information on file was for an item shipped within the USA. This isn't all about you, you know.
Maybe you could compose a diplomatic letter for me that won't offend. Also, I offer 1 day shipping, hard to delay a package waiting for a reply.
This is pretty barebones, but I'm sure you can expand upon it:
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It may not be your fault that the buyer provided you with a bad address, but as far as eBay is concerned, you're responsible for getting the item the buyer purchased to them in the condition stated in the listing. That's all there is to it. Do what you feel you have to do to meet your responsibilities and make allowances for the fact that sometimes things go south through no fault of your own. That's the nature of selling.
How can you ensure delivery when you don't know the Purchaser's address? Remember, they gave me the wrong address with the wrong city name.
08-05-2013 10:22 AM
08-05-2013 11:22 AM
Thank You for your support!
PayPal payment did not show if address was confirmed or not. However, it was marked as Seller P:rotection: Eligible and also that the sender of this payment was Non- U.S. Verified.