01-03-2025 09:54 AM
I was reading this article on Ebay and it states that as of January 2025, anyone with over 30 sales will have to provide a SIN number.
https://www.ebay.ca/help/account/regulatory/sales-reporting/canada-digital-sales-reporting?id=5476#s...
It seems like quite a drastic update and I'm surprised more people haven't been talking about it.
01-18-2025 02:38 PM - edited 01-18-2025 02:47 PM
Oh yes and there was huge uproar on various selling site forums about that!...I do believe the original figures were 200 sales and $20,000(somewhere around 2020)....and then about 2023 the $600 limit.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong on that USA information...
However, I do not believe that the topic is so much discussed anymore as sellers either took the route of accept, adapt,adjust and carry on...OR Moved on!
01-18-2025 03:14 PM
@mrdutch1001 wrote:Oh yes and there was huge uproar on various selling site forums about that!...I do believe the original figures were 200 sales and $20,000(somewhere around 2020)....and then about 2023 the $600 limit.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong on that USA information...
However, I do not believe that the topic is so much discussed anymore as sellers either took the route of accept, adapt,adjust and carry on...OR Moved on!
Pretty much correct. The $600 Threshold was postponed for 2023 (remained at $20,000) and for 2024 it was revised to $5000 (just announced in December). At this time the $600 threshold will be in effect for 2025.
One complicating factor is that individual States can set their own threshold and many States did that when the Federal threshold was still $20,000. In those States the thresholds are mostly $600 or $1000 with a couple of states being a bit higher.
FYI - The UK has initiated very similar regulations and no doubt within a few years virtually all countries will be requiring reporting related to the "gig economy" (previously known as "the underground economy").
01-18-2025 03:23 PM
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01-18-2025 03:29 PM
See the above posting
Yep they are going to process the data on US servers - see the second paragraph above where Canada is mentioned.
I had a huge amoniunt of trouble cut and pasting this eBay policey as I was stopped and stymied at allmost every angle from doing it - but finally figured it out, but could not add and of my own thought to it at it would not let me so I have added this.
01-18-2025 04:29 PM
@brettjet38 wrote:2024 retroactive to Jan 2024
I have a friend who is a retired CRA investogator, this is serious folks, not a joke.
This was passed throgh the senate in rapid fire in less than a few months, then made into law...
The weeds are being pulled!
If your friend was an investigator, he probably knows what they're going to do about people not reporting their income or not keeping appropriate records.
Care to share a bit more information about what's going on? (Or maybe what happened the last time CRA pulled all the power seller's stats on eBay?)
C.
01-18-2025 04:31 PM
@recped wrote:
@rosscd57 wrote:The second paragraph may ease a few minds and change some desicions. It appears that the the CRA are not after blood at all. As I read they are only beging the in 2024.
If you have never reported any eBay/Gig income and do so for 2024, if you are reporting more than a minimal amount you MIGHT find yourself subject to an audit. CRA can go back to revisit your previous 7 years of returns.
Keep in mind that while CRA are only requiring eBay to report 2024 numbers they can request older information from eBay for any specific taxpayer.
That's what I think some people are worried about... if you only skimmed over the dollar threshold in 2024, then it's plausible you might have started selling in 2024 (or not previously earned enough money to warrant attention).
But what if they find out you made 50K in sales in 2024? Odds are that wasn't your first year selling on a platform.
C.
01-18-2025 05:36 PM - edited 01-18-2025 05:38 PM
@rosscd57 wrote:
Yep they are going to process the data on US servers - see the second paragraph above where Canada is mentioned.
You mean the paragraph entitled
6.2 Other data transfers (from the European Economic Area to third countries) ?
Canada is mentioned, yes, but as a possible recipient of data originating from the European Economic Area. I don't see anything about the US being a possible recipient of data originating from Canada.
01-18-2025 10:08 PM
No! I meant the first sentance: "We may transfer your personal data to recipients (see section 5. Purposes and legal basis for data processing and categories of recipients) who may be located anywhere in the world."
01-18-2025 10:18 PM
Or perhaps this one: "Some recipients of your personal data are located outside your jurisdiction or have offices in jurisdictions where data protection laws may provide a different level of protection than the laws in your jurisdiction. When transferring personal data to such recipients, we provide appropriate safeguards."
Or this one: "The transmission of personal data between eBay Affiliates (e.g. to enable cross border transactions and for other legally permitted purposes) is based on our worldwide data protection principles...."
01-18-2025 10:25 PM - edited 01-18-2025 10:31 PM
That doesn’t say that SINs are going to be stored on US servers after the information is entered into the Canadian site, although I grant it might be a possibility for sellers who choose to sell on the US site where Social Security Numbers have been required for a few years.
My interpretation of the crux of that information is that certain aspects of one’s personal information will wind up being stored on servers for foreign eBay sites if users choose to use foreign eBay sites. It’s what enables us to buy and sell as well as post on the community boards on foreign eBay sites without having to get a separate eBay account on those sites.
01-18-2025 11:32 PM
No offence intended, but seeing as you have a feedback of 8 as a buyer - not a seller, I am not going to give your interpretation much credance. And I suppose, that since you do not sell, your SIN is not going anywhere. Besides at 80 years old and 22 years on eBay, I'm pretty much fed up with eBay for that and a lot of other reasons. It used to be fun - but it has not been for quite a while now. I'm just going to pull the pin.
But my advice is still - don't give eBay you SIN number; or at the very least, drag your butt and see what transpires.
I'm out of here!
01-19-2025 12:51 AM
@rosscd57 wrote:No offence intended, but seeing as you have a feedback of 8 as a buyer - not a seller, I am not going to give your interpretation much credance.
No offence taken. I appreciate that you can't see the feedback that was left for these sales as they went under my wife's ID and they were made over twenty years ago, to boot. Having said that, I don't believe feedback is an indication of anybody's ability to read, write, and think analytically.
Don't forget to claim the amount on your T5 on your tax return.
01-19-2025 03:18 AM
@rosscd57 wrote:
I'm out of here!
Before you go and going way off topic.....
I'm looking for one of these:
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/zenith_a825_8t01z.html
01-19-2025 07:45 PM
hi , sorry , dont have anything like that , i was only dealing with diecast & plastic models
01-20-2025 08:31 AM
A reportable seller who fails to provide their TIN (SIN) to a reporting platform operator on request is liable to a $500 penalty for each failure (You will be fined for each "Platform" that you refuse to profide your SIN, when asked, it will be the CRA issuing the fines automatically)
01-20-2025 08:35 AM
The details.... from 01 December 2023
Canada's new reporting rules for digital platform operators take effect 1 January 2024
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Legislation introduced by the Canadian government to implement model rules developed by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) for digital platform operators received Royal Assent over the summer (2023). These rules take effect on 1 January 2024, with the first reporting — and exchange of information by the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) with its partner jurisdictions' tax administrations — occurring in early 2025 with respect to the 2024 calendar year.
Digital platform operators should determine if they are subject to these rules and, if so, review their processes and systems to assess whether they are able to comply with the reporting requirements.
This Tax Alert summarizes certain key features of the new reporting rules.
Background
On 3 July 2020, the OECD released its "Model Rules for Reporting by Platform Operators with respect to Sellers in the Sharing and Gig Economy" (the OECD model rules). In general, these rules require digital platform operators to collect information on revenues earned by sellers offering accommodation, transport and personal services through platforms and to report the information to tax authorities. The OECD indicated that it developed these rules to limit the proliferation of different domestic reporting requirements and to facilitate information exchange agreements between interested jurisdictions
In its 2022 budget, the federal government highlighted tax compliance issues associated with the increasing use of online platforms. For example, it was noted that not all platform sellers were aware of the tax implications of their online activities. Identifying noncompliance was also an issue, as digital transactions occurring on online platforms were not always visible to the CRA and other tax administrations. To address these concerns, the federal government proposed to implement the OECD model rules for reporting by digital platform operators.
On 3 November 2022, the Department of Finance released draft legislative proposals, and accompanying explanatory notes, for new reporting rules for digital platform operators. Notably, these proposals adopted the optional module to expand the scope of the OECD model rules to include the sale of goods and the rental of means of transportation. As well, the draft legislative proposals did not contain an exclusion from the reporting rules for certain platform operators, which was included in the 2022 federal budget documents. Specifically, there was no exclusion for platform operators that facilitated the provision of relevant activities for which the total consideration over the previous year was less than €1 million and that elected to be excluded from reporting.
On 22 June 2023, Bill C-47, Budget Implementation Act, 2023, No. 1, received Royal Assent. Bill C-47 enacts Part XX of the Income Tax Act (the Act), Reporting Rules for Digital Platform Operators, which implements the draft legislative proposals released on 3 November 2022, subject to minor modifications. The provisions in Part XX of the Act must be interpreted consistently with the OECD model rules unless the context requires otherwise.
Reporting platform operators
For Part XX purposes, a "platform" is any software, including all or part of a website and applications (including mobile applications) that is accessible by users and allows sellers to connect with other users for the provision of relevant services or the sale of goods. This includes platforms that facilitate the collection and payment of consideration for relevant activities, but excludes software exclusively allowing (without any further intervention) any of the following:
A "platform operator" includes any entity that contracts with sellers to make a platform available to sellers. In general, platform operators are "reporting platform operators" (and thereby subject to Part XX due diligence and reporting requirements) if they are resident in Canada. A reporting platform operator also includes a nonresident platform operator that facilitates the provision of relevant activities by sellers resident in Canada, or with respect to renting immovable property in Canada. A nonresident platform operator may elect to be a reporting platform operator if it is resident, incorporated or managed in a "partner jurisdiction" (i.e., a jurisdiction that has an agreement with Canada to share information collected under the OECD model rules).
"Relevant activity" means a relevant service or the sale of goods for consideration. A relevant service includes the rental of real or immovable property, the rental of a means of transport, or a personal service. A "personal service" is a service involving time- or task-based work performed by one or more individuals at the request of a user. The Department of Finance has indicated that this term encompasses a broad range of services, such as transportation and delivery services, manual labor, tutoring, copywriting, data manipulation, and clerical, legal or accounting tasks. However, it excludes a service provided by a seller pursuant to an employment relationship with the platform operator or a related entity of the operator.
A reporting platform operator does not include an excluded platform operator. An "excluded platform operator" is a platform operator that demonstrates (to the satisfaction of the minister) that its entire business model does not allow sellers to derive a profit from the consideration received for relevant services, such as ride-sharing services, or that does not have reportable sellers (e.g., large-scale hotel operators).
Reportable sellers
"Reportable sellers" are active sellers (i.e., sellers that provide relevant services or sell goods, or that have received consideration for such relevant activities during a reportable period) that are determined by a platform operator:
Certain sellers are considered to present a limited compliance risk and are excluded from the list of reportable sellers. The Act defines an "excluded seller" as:
Information to be reported
In accordance with section 292 of the Act, a reporting platform operator must report certain identifying information for its own business, including its name, registered office address and tax identification number (TIN). Further, an operator must collect certain information for each reportable seller that provided relevant services, rented out a means of transportation, or sold goods. Such information includes:
01-20-2025 03:36 PM
Ai tells me :
The key takeaway from the comment thread is that starting January 2025, eBay Canada will require sellers to provide their Social Insurance Number (SIN) if they meet certain thresholds[1][6]. The specific requirements are:
1. Sellers with over 30 sales in a calendar year will need to provide their SIN[6].
2. Alternatively, sellers who reach $2,800 in sales will also need to provide their SIN[6].
This new requirement has sparked discussion and concern among eBay sellers, particularly small-scale or hobbyist sellers. Some key points from the thread include:
- The 30-sale threshold is seen as quite low by some sellers, potentially affecting even those with minimal sales volume[6].
- There's confusion about whether the thresholds apply to combined sales across multiple platforms or just eBay[6].
- Some sellers are considering spreading their sales across different platforms to stay below the thresholds[6].
- This change is part of a broader trend, with similar reporting requirements being implemented in other countries[6].
The new policy is a result of Canadian government regulations requiring marketplaces to report seller information to the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA)[1][6].
Citations:
[1] https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/bd-p/213
[2] https://www.ebay.ca/help/selling/listings/creating-managing-listings/setting-buyer-requirements?id=4...
[3] https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Buying-and-Selling-on-eBay/ct-p/1500000000
[4] https://www.ebay.ca/help/selling/getting-paid/registering-seller?id=4792
[5] https://community.ebay.ca
[6] https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/Starting-January-2025-Ebay-Canada-to-require-SIN-number-...
[7] https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/Starting-January-2025-Ebay-Canada-to-require-SIN-number-...
[8] https://www.ebay.ca/splashui/captcha?ap=1&appName=orch&ru=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fhelp%2Fpolicie...
01-20-2025 05:15 PM
@brettjet38 wrote:
A reportable seller who fails to provide their TIN (SIN) to a reporting platform operator on request is liable to a $500 penalty for each failure (You will be fined for each "Platform" that you refuse to profide your SIN, when asked, it will be the CRA issuing the fines automatically)
Do you also get fined each time the SAME platform asks?
C.
01-20-2025 10:11 PM - edited 01-20-2025 10:13 PM
Yes it would seem that will be the case & noted in your CRA file...
01-21-2025 09:39 AM
@brettjet38 wrote:Yes it would seem that will be the case & noted in your CRA file...
Kind of like the water company fining me each month until I reported my meter reading (the meter was broken which is why I wasn't providing it). They said they'd tack $20 to each monthly bill until I gave them a reading. I complained and they fixed the meter.
Sounds like the same sort of deal with CRA having eBay ask for SIN.
C.