03-17-2022 12:54 AM
Hi,
i bought an expensive item on Ebay ( $2600 ) last Friday i received an email from Intelcom tell me your package is delivered with attached to the email "proof" of signature which was a scribble of "N/A" and a picture with two packages on the floor.
After work I will go to the lobby and no package for me, no package on my front door. I live in a huge building with more than a hundred flats. So I called Monday intelcom after almost one hour on the phone. They found nothing wrong and confirmed the delivery address was good. Ask them about the signature they told is the standard procedure.
I don't understand what standard she is talking about because when i buy a high value item i need to move to Canada Post to sign myself or with DHL i can sign online and choose where i can go to pick up my package. So I ask Ebay to refund me because it is not acceptable to send with GSP with no delivery security for the buyer.
First they tell me yes I will receive a full refund. I received yesterday an email to confirm that and today Ebay told me I will receive no refund because the signature ( N/A) is good so move on. Now what ? intelcom gave me no update. Ebay changed their mind. I'm tired of fighting people because they don't do their work well. If you have any ideas, let me know.
Thanks
03-17-2022 08:42 AM - edited 03-17-2022 08:45 AM
Could you contact the building management to request security cam footage? Could you file a police report so that if it was stolen by somebody in your building they could pay them a little visit?
You could try pressing ebay to speak to somebody with more authority over this kind of situation.. Its possible since ive requested to speak to a superior before so they should provide you that privelige. I know you are tired but sadly resolving this is going to require you to keep pushing.
Sorry I couldnt be of better help , but my best wishes are with you for your parcel to find its way to its intended owner.
03-17-2022 09:25 AM - edited 03-17-2022 09:26 AM
That is awful with such a high value item! That N/A signature I have got many times also, I believe since the pandemic started and deliveries were no longer required to be signed for because of safety the N/A started to be used. It's the photo they gave you that is proof they left your very expensive package in an obvious common area of a large building. This is far from secure and bizarre for them to leave such a pricey item in plain view for everyone. As lexsbeauty suggests maybe your building has security camera? I had a package I sent to someone in a condo in a super busy part of Toronto earlier this week and they had the buzzer code included on their mailing address. I saw from tracking "left at front door" and was very worried it would be nabbed. Luckily the buyer left me feedback so I knew she got it safely anyways (it was Canada Post in my case). You would think with such a valuable item they would use a pick up from depot but I don't think intelcom has the option. I don't know if the driver is made aware of the value of the item.
I would think you definitely still open an Item Not Received case since you did not receive it. That N/A is not a signature in fact if you look on the site here it has been brought up and shown many times. The photo is proof (I think anyways) that it was left UNSAFELY in a common area. eBay guarantees you receive your item or it is refunded so I would hope you would be okay. Good luck!
03-17-2022 09:50 AM
Hello,
Apologies that you have to go through this. I used to live in an apartment building where Intelcom would do exactly what has happened to you except I had the luxury of being at home so I would literaly go down and wait when I got the Intelcom email that my item was close. Otherwise they just dump the parcel in the common area which is unacceptable. We are at the point now where the pandemic is not an excuse for dumping parcels. The fact is that the Itelcom employee was too lazy to do their job. All other carriers were delivering right to my door or leaving a card if its Canada Post.
As mentioned there should be security cam footage but you will probably have to open up a police report I'm assuming. Its an expensive item so I would keep pushing Intelcom and ebay and keep the conversation going.
For future with anyone using the GSP if you live in an apartment or condo building and you do not have a consierge then I would disourage anyone from ordering using the GSP program. Most likely your order will end up with Intelcom and you will experience what the op is going through or you will have to do what I did which is hang out in the lobby of your building when they are close. Most people do not have the time to do this and realistically if anyone orders something it should come to their apartment door at the very least if your just going to dump it anyways.
I wish you all the best.
03-17-2022 09:59 AM
Hi,
no security camera in the mailroom. The building has a smart locker for mail with a security camera but delivery guys put all packages on the floor in the mailroom ... I will file a police report but I doubt they will really do anything about my package.
Thanks for your support and message
03-17-2022 10:06 AM
Hi,
Thanks for your reply 🙂
like i said above with having a smart locker for a package with digits you need to pick up your item but none used it. I opened a claim with Ebay. First they told me i will receive a full refund and now they told me nothing is wrong with the signature so no refund period. It is not my fault if the carrier signs for me and leaves the package to a random place. I have no update with Intelcom and Ebay doesn't want to help me.
03-17-2022 10:33 AM
@msau4301 wrote:That is awful with such a high value item! That N/A signature I have got many times also, I believe since the pandemic started and deliveries were no longer required to be signed for because of safety the N/A started to be used. It's the photo they gave you that is proof they left your very expensive package in an obvious common area of a large building. This is far from secure and bizarre for them to leave such a pricey item in plain view for everyone. As lexsbeauty suggests maybe your building has security camera? I had a package I sent to someone in a condo in a super busy part of Toronto earlier this week and they had the buzzer code included on their mailing address. I saw from tracking "left at front door" and was very worried it would be nabbed. Luckily the buyer left me feedback so I knew she got it safely anyways (it was Canada Post in my case). You would think with such a valuable item they would use a pick up from depot but I don't think intelcom has the option. I don't know if the driver is made aware of the value of the item.
I would think you definitely still open an Item Not Received case since you did not receive it. That N/A is not a signature in fact if you look on the site here it has been brought up and shown many times. The photo is proof (I think anyways) that it was left UNSAFELY in a common area. eBay guarantees you receive your item or it is refunded so I would hope you would be okay. Good luck!
It's become a nightmare scenario because of Covid and let's say, for lack of a better term shipping volumes as to how and when the buyer and seller are covered. With higher delivery volumes in the system there has become less of a guarantee the buyer actually gets their goods. (In hand)
With Covid, suddenly signatures became passe' due to safety concerns. Totally unsure how difficult, at bare minimum it is ring a doorbell because most likely someone is home...but it is. Safedrop became the new normal, and even if signature required was paid for. (How many folks actually have been asked to sign with Intelcom/Apple?) Unfortunately safedrop has always been an issue when couriers get involved. Not so much with CP in the past and before community mailboxes. eBay Shipping doesn't even include an option for do not Safe Drop. You can pay for a signature, but again no guarantees one will be asked for. How about a special delivery requirement box? Hmmm?
There used to be delivery guarantees with some services. Since the beginning of Covid even the water for those has become extremely muddy. Because scans have limited reliability to being consistant, if a scan is missed at the end, the courier/cp are officially off the hook. Or the alternative, something gets delivered with photo proof but walks away, buyer has limited recourse other that "trying" to file a police report. Unless there is doorbell footage proof, it will go no further. Seller has no protection because "it was delivered", if eBay sides in favour of buyer.
Throw in the assorted eBay, PayPal, CC protections tripping over eachother and it's a mega mess. Top if off with a side order of sellers being having no choice but to ship untracked(because tracked makes no sense on a 10.00 item) because buyers only willing to only pay for untracked. Thinking maybe if untracked is the option on record should there really be protections? Maybe a topic for another day!! All I know, when I started buying many moons ago, if I paid for untracked I was doing it MY DISCRETION. If I needed something that badly I would have paid more for delivery. Mail....tracked and untracked gets lost. It happens!!!
Let the firestorm begin!!!!
-Lotz
03-17-2022 11:34 AM
Hi,
eBay screwed me for good. They told me no refund because it is the rule with GSP because it says it is delivered with signature even if it is not a real signature. I am very upset. I don't understand what is going on because I received an email from intelcom . They confirm I have no signature with this delivery and they have no responsibility and ask Ebay for the refund. I don't know what to do now
03-17-2022 11:46 AM
It is a total mess right now Ebay told me no refund it is not their responsibility, Intelcom the same so ... now i will lose $2600 because all system is a huge scam for buyer
Any idea what I can do ?
03-17-2022 12:01 PM
@tbwwdtw wrote:Hi,
eBay screwed me for good. They told me no refund because it is the rule with GSP because it says it is delivered with signature even if it is not a real signature. I am very upset. I don't understand what is going on because I received an email from intelcom . They confirm I have no signature with this delivery and they have no responsibility and ask Ebay for the refund. I don't know what to do now
According to eBay if shipment value is 750 or more signature option is required. Not applicable if it's a GSP shipment?????????
dot com policy attached.
If you use the Global Shipping Program to ship the order, then signature confirmation is not required, even if the order amount is above the threshold. Learn more about the Global Shipping Program.
You might try getting other tenants involved in working out something more secure for deliveries with building management. The current situation is unacceptable.
-Lotz
03-17-2022 01:14 PM
Hi,
thank you about the link and the help
I never had issues with high item value before because packages were dropped in the safe depot. So i just need to go to the post office to sign and pick up my stuff now with Ebay they choose intelcom for carrier no signature drop anywhere the package.
The building has a room with a smart locker for high value items or packages and intelcom doesn't care and is not used for what reason I don't know. NOW EBAY TOLD ME NO REFUND ASK INTELCOM AND INTELCOM ASK EBAY FOR REFUND.
I received today an email from intelcom they confirm they have no signature with my package :
Hello,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us! The package would have been delivered without a signature, I am attaching a photo of the delivery to help you locate it. If you cannot find the package, you will need to contact eBay. By agreement with them, the client must contact them directly for the compensation, we do not have the authorization or the services to do so. Thank you! INTELCOM Customer Experience Center Agent Customer Experience Center Agent 1-844-370-5096
03-17-2022 02:08 PM
@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:According to eBay if shipment value is 750 or more signature option is required. Not applicable if it's a GSP shipment?????????
dot com policy attached.
If you use the Global Shipping Program to ship the order, then signature confirmation is not required, even if the order amount is above the threshold. Learn more about the Global Shipping Program.
- ShipCover insurance isn't available for items sent to the shipping center. If you purchase USPS insurance, it only protects you against any loss or damage to the package until it reaches the US shipping center. However, the Global Shipping Program covers international shipment of the item
- If you add signature confirmation when you ship your item, you'll receive a signature confirmation when it is received at the US shipping center, not when it is received by the buyer
The Global Shipping Program doesn't require seIlers to have signature confirmation for items sent to the Global Shipping Center in Kentucky. I guess eBay and/or Pitney Bowes don't expect buyers to file INR or Transaction Not Recognised requests while the item is in transit to the Center. It would be up to PBI or the carrier(s) handling the item in Canada to make the call as to whether a signature would be warranted upon delivery.
Keep in mind that in the Bronze Age of the Pandemic, eBay sent out an announcement stating that sellers of very high value items still had to ship with signature confirmation for protection against requests, claims or disputes of the types mentioned above, but if the carrier didn't obtain a signature due to COVID protocols, it wouldn't come back to bite the seller below the tailbone.
03-17-2022 02:13 PM
@tbwwdtw wrote:It is a total mess right now Ebay told me no refund it is not their responsibility, Intelcom the same so ... now i will lose $2600 because all system is a huge scam for buyer
Any idea what I can do ?
How did eBay "tell you"? Did you go through the process of filing a request through the Money Back Guarantee for an item not received? While it's likely not to be successful, you should be doing that to start an electronic paper trail. If you used PayPal to facilitate your payment, that would be your next step. They may be a bit more hardline when it comes to the issue of signature confirmation. If that doesn't work out and you used a credit card to fund your PayPal payment, you should get in contact with your card issuer and file a charge dispute or chargeback for merchandise ordered online but not received.
May the luck o' the Irish be with you this St. Paddy's Day and beyond.
03-17-2022 02:15 PM
So now buyers have no protection for high value items. I stuck with my issue with no way out. Maybe someone who works for Ebay can help me with my case on the forum ?
03-17-2022 02:32 PM
The way to get a trained rep who works for eBay is through social media.
And you get a transcript of what was said to compare with what you think was said.
https://twitter.com/askebay?lang=en
https://www.facebook.com/eBayForBusiness/ - Message button in upper right on landing page.
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/How-do-I-contact-Customer-Support/m-p/32016431#M1783851
Also, you should file a police report for the theft. Name Intelcom -- frankly there is no reason to believe (short of camera evidence) that the carrier didn't take the picture and then take the package home. The customs form tells him what is in the package.
Most carriers are too smart and too busy to steal, but Intelcom does not seem to hire the best and brightest.
03-17-2022 02:53 PM
Did you go back to eBay with the email from intelecom where they confirm that no signature was obtained, even though it was supposed to be a delivery with signature? I would go to twitter or facebook as @femmefan1946 suggested and lay it out logically and without emotion - state the case clearly as you are the victim here. I expect they will ask for time to investigate, but when they get back to you there will be a written record of the decision there.
If eBay refuses to refund on the GSP error, you could go to small claims court. Of course, this is all time consuming and a pain but may be required. Be sure to keep all the records and back and forths, as it sounds like you have a clear case here. If you actually filed, I would not be surprised if eBay paid or just did not contest the filing.
Very sorry to hear about that. If you are looking at higher value again, suggest talking to the post office rep near you on having it delivered to the Post Office for pick up by them.
03-17-2022 03:10 PM
@tbwwdtw wrote:So now buyers have no protection for high value items. I stuck with my issue with no way out. Maybe someone who works for Ebay can help me with my case on the forum ?
I think we cross-posted and you missed my post on possible avenues to take on this. Taking this to one of the social media options as @femmefan1946 is a possibility as well. You might want to try this before going through the automated Money Back Guarantee request process.
It's not so much that buyers have no protection for high value items as it is that there's really no wiggle room for eBay if the shipment's confirmation of delivery follows its requirements. If you were a seller of a high value item, you probably wouldn't appreciate having to give a refund for a shipment claimed as not received if the tracking showed delivery and the carrier appeared to have pursued an alternative to signature confirmation due to COVID.
03-17-2022 03:32 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:According to eBay if shipment value is 750 or more signature option is required. Not applicable if it's a GSP shipment?????????
dot com policy attached.
If you use the Global Shipping Program to ship the order, then signature confirmation is not required, even if the order amount is above the threshold. Learn more about the Global Shipping Program.
- ShipCover insurance isn't available for items sent to the shipping center. If you purchase USPS insurance, it only protects you against any loss or damage to the package until it reaches the US shipping center. However, the Global Shipping Program covers international shipment of the item
- If you add signature confirmation when you ship your item, you'll receive a signature confirmation when it is received at the US shipping center, not when it is received by the buyer
The Global Shipping Program doesn't require seIlers to have signature confirmation for items sent to the Global Shipping Center in Kentucky. I guess eBay and/or Pitney Bowes don't expect buyers to file INR or Transaction Not Recognised requests while the item is in transit to the Center. It would be up to PBI or the carrier(s) handling the item in Canada to make the call as to whether a signature would be warranted upon delivery.
Keep in mind that in the Bronze Age of the Pandemic, eBay sent out an announcement stating that sellers of very high value items still had to ship with signature confirmation for protection against requests, claims or disputes of the types mentioned above, but if the carrier didn't obtain a signature due to COVID protocols, it wouldn't come back to bite the seller below the tailbone.
I just find going by the eBay links that protection seems to end at the GSP center vs the customers door a bit bizzaro when it comes to a signature!!
If you use the Global Shipping Program to ship the order, then signature confirmation is not required, even if the order amount is above the threshold. Learn more about the Global Shipping Program.
Especially when any over threshhold sale outside of GSP does require a signature. A little double standard-ish??
-Lotz
03-17-2022 03:37 PM
@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:
Especially when any over threshhold sale outside of GSP does require a signature. A little double standard-ish??
Why would a shipment to the Global Shipping Center need signature confirmation?
03-17-2022 03:42 PM
The signature service ENDS at the GSP center according to eBay!!! Where the signature needs to be required is for final delivery. With the customer. That would be my interpretation.
-Lotz