99c auctions experiment, observations so far.

I auction a lot of stuff at the same start price it will be if it doesn't sell and then goes BIN, but it has been a very very long time since I've run a 99c auction.

I've noticed that some of my "watchees" succeed in getting some very good results with 99c auctions but they also get some very BAD results as well. Examples would be something that I regularly get $9.99 BIN for that auctions for $1.25 to $1.50 (I'm tempted to contact the seller offering to buy in quantity!)

I've also noticed that when I list something that "takes off" once it has a couple bids the views go up quickly.

I do have some "guaranteed sale" items so I decided to list them starting at 99c. (final price should be in the $25 to $75 range depending on the item).

They immediately had a small number of views and within hours had bids. Once the bids started the views have risen quickly.

Since the "new" view counting system was implemented normally I'm getting in the range of 5 to 10 views for the "regular" stuff in the 7 day auction run. 

The two 99c starters are about half way through their 7 day run and they're at 38 and 52 views which is 3 to 5 times the next highest item's view count out of 30 auctions running at the moment. The 52 views got more bids quicker (about 12 hours earlier) than the 38 item. Their current bid price is already at what I would have started them from using my normal listing style.

My hope was that the high views would bring folks to see the other stuff I have selling, but I do not see any other auction items with unnaturally high view counts, generally they are the usual low view numbers.

So my current thinking is that the 99c auctions don't generally pull people into the other auctions. I can't tell if it has any effect on the BINs, I don't see anything unusually better in sales volume at this point.

This leaves me to believe that 99c auctions are a good idea for something that has enough lookers/bidders to get early bids and a consistent enough value that it will generally naturally close close to what one expects bringing the hope that enough viewers/bidders show up that the realized price is higher than usual for that item.

I made enough of the 99c experimentals to last for 5 weeks. 

I will now look to my other "regular" stuff to see if I have anything that is appropriate to try this way as well, the theory being that if I take the risk of starting something low that enough folks will see it because of the bidding that it goes at least for the regular price.

I'll probably post updates here from time to time as the experiment progresses.

I'm interested to hear of any other observations, experiments out there!

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Hmm I didn't think about what the lowest possible start price is for an auction, turns out it is 1c.

So next week's experiment will be 1c to start with the 99c ers to see if there's a difference.

 

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I would only use auctions if something has a very defined value with a very large market of buyers. An example would be a Connor McDavid rookie card. There are hundreds of people looking for them daily. There is a set value in the market. Your auction is not going to finish wildly below what it is worth. With that said, there isn't much of a reason to auction this item since you should be able to sell it very easily with BIN. Maybe if you need the money right away.

For 99 percent of items, auctions are a bad idea. You will get more through setting your price at the upper end of the market and listing as a Buy It Now w/ Best Offer. 

Auctions are only useful for liquidating. Especially if you want to get rid of stale inventory for tax purposes or to reclaim space. If inventory is not stale, there is no point in auctioning it because it should sell within a few weeks of you listing it as a BIN. The only stuff you should auction with a low starting bid is stuff you are mentally prepared to let go at a loss. 

There is the rare exception to the rule where two bidders go crazy, and an auction realizes a higher value than a BIN would have. This is pretty rare. You shouldn't expect this.

In my experience, there are lots of watchers because the price is cheap, but they don't engage. It's possible that the category you sell in has a lot of interested and engaged buyers and maybe the above doesn't apply. It is what I have noticed as both a buyer and seller of auctions. 

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DH owns most of the stuff I list under this ID, and he has been an auctioneer since the 80s. Every now and then he insists that I use Auction format.

However, the Auction usually goes unsold, and the item is relisted as Fixed Price.

And often that relisted item sells immediately, without even a Best Offer.

Hmmm-- has Best Offer taken the place of Auctions? It gives the customer some control over price and the ability to get a bargain while the seller is not forced to sell below his true profit point.

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you have some great observations in your post -- it was really helpful - in deciding whether to do auctions or not -- your hard work does goes noticed -- i thank you as it makes my deciding much easier - again keep up the good work --you help many others from making major decision mistakes about auctions especially when you first get started 

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@ricarmic wrote:

I auction a lot of stuff at the same start price it will be if it doesn't sell and then goes BIN, but it has been a very very long time since I've run a 99c auction.

I've noticed that some of my "watchees" succeed in getting some very good results with 99c auctions but they also get some very BAD results as well. Examples would be something that I regularly get $9.99 BIN for that auctions for $1.25 to $1.50 (I'm tempted to contact the seller offering to buy in quantity!)

I've also noticed that when I list something that "takes off" once it has a couple bids the views go up quickly.

I do have some "guaranteed sale" items so I decided to list them starting at 99c. (final price should be in the $25 to $75 range depending on the item).

They immediately had a small number of views and within hours had bids. Once the bids started the views have risen quickly.

Since the "new" view counting system was implemented normally I'm getting in the range of 5 to 10 views for the "regular" stuff in the 7 day auction run. 

The two 99c starters are about half way through their 7 day run and they're at 38 and 52 views which is 3 to 5 times the next highest item's view count out of 30 auctions running at the moment. The 52 views got more bids quicker (about 12 hours earlier) than the 38 item. Their current bid price is already at what I would have started them from using my normal listing style.

My hope was that the high views would bring folks to see the other stuff I have selling, but I do not see any other auction items with unnaturally high view counts, generally they are the usual low view numbers.

So my current thinking is that the 99c auctions don't generally pull people into the other auctions. I can't tell if it has any effect on the BINs, I don't see anything unusually better in sales volume at this point.

This leaves me to believe that 99c auctions are a good idea for something that has enough lookers/bidders to get early bids and a consistent enough value that it will generally naturally close close to what one expects bringing the hope that enough viewers/bidders show up that the realized price is higher than usual for that item.

I made enough of the 99c experimentals to last for 5 weeks. 

I will now look to my other "regular" stuff to see if I have anything that is appropriate to try this way as well, the theory being that if I take the risk of starting something low that enough folks will see it because of the bidding that it goes at least for the regular price.

I'll probably post updates here from time to time as the experiment progresses.

I'm interested to hear of any other observations, experiments out there!


@ricarmic 

In my almost 20 years on eBay 😲, at first getting the hang of buying and then selling and buying, at first almost everything I did was with auctions. The thrill of the game. Faded away from auctions(for buying) when sniping became the new normal(I lost more than I won...took the fun out of it). For selling when I first started using auctions I did reasonably well. Won(in the scheme of things) more times than I lost. I always found auctions were all about timing. When you had your listings end. 3 or 5 days was good. 7 days or longer not so.  Also found I had more non payers with auctions. When that became the case, I went buy now and slowly added best offer. Over the last 3 or 4 years, when I have tested auctions...Either the penny, .99 cents or 9.99 it mostly became a lose lose situation. Either item sold at opening bid or didn't sell. Reserve prices are dangerously expensive if you want to cover your backside. The few sales that went for a penny or 99 cents the buyers were upset shipping was what it was. Had to "try" to explain its based on the item. Not the value and factored in shipping options available. I believe a few even left grouchy feedback. <Unfortunately, you remember those times>.  When auctions were the norm you used to regularly get bids shortly after listing. Now, again, if its something in high demand, they mostly appear towards the end. At least that's been my experience. (It depends on a buyers preference...add to watch list or put in a bid as a kick in the pants for themselves.)

To my mind, if you have the patience auctions may still work if you have something either high in demand or or when you have the wiggle room for pricing. Otherwise, most buyers want the instant gratification of buy it now with the best offer because in their mind they got a deal.

Over the last few years, I have bought a trickle compared to the past. I haven't bought anything using auctions in years. Most often you can usually find a seller with either buy it now or with best offer included. The challenge, if you are looking for something that is limited in available listings is finding anything with decent shipping. And because of GSP(USA) being the new normal it's become even less. Yayyy free stickers 4 times a year!!  And for sellers that only have CP to work with the buyer has to be willing to be able to pay your posted shipping. Probably one of the biggest problems for the majority of Canadian sellers currently. 

Buyers just want what they want at a price that works for them at a speed and cost that meets their requirements. They buy using auction because they can't find it anywhere else or they don't mind the challenge of trying to get in the last bid. (Auctions always reminded me of trying to be 99th caller for tickets to a concert you really wanted to go to.)

-Lotz

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@ricarmic 

From May 2021. Still has valid suggestions and opinions on the subject.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/2021/05/08/ebay-selling-strategy-auction-versus-buy-it-now/

For anyone selling trading cards.

https://www.cardlines.com/ebay-auction-vs-buy-it-now/

-Lotz

 

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"I'm interested to hear of any other observations, experiments out there!"

I almost always do auctions,I  have from the start and since it has gone (at least somewhat) well I have kind of stayed with it. It definitely depends on items being sold of course, in my case it's mostly vintage toys and I often don't know what value to put on them (if I search the items up to get an idea of price I usually see a massive difference in prices so that doesn't always help!) so auctions are my go-to.

This past week I happened to have more boys toys than usual and one of the items was a lot of very used small size 80's GI Joe figures (my brother was going to throw a bunch of his old toys out as he thought they were in rough shape and asked me if I wanted them! I've had a pretty successful time with them and surprised him at Christmas with a nice little sharing of the profits!) The GI Joe figures got immediate attention and I noticed over the five days of all my auctions I had tons of views and sold 9 out of 23 items I had listed. The GI Joes were the biggest seller/hit but every item I had, even those that had been quite inactive got some action! I had put everything on auction (even changed the buy it nows I had to auction) and one item I had Buy it Now for a couple of months at $10 sold for $21 on auction. I'm not sure if part of the flurry was more people had time on their hands in the period after Christmas and before New Years and therefore were looking, or just good luck but I think part of it was as you say, when there is a bidding war (like the GI Joe figures) it was like I got more views on everything else (and in several cases bids/sales). Now that I've re-listed the items that didn't sell, even some who had 12 or more watchers, there has been almost nothing. Which tells me I need to have at least one real good to bring the views up.

I'm only a small scale seller so at most I have 25 - 30 items going so this works for me though most certainly would not for the large volume sellers out there, but it is my observation over the past week!

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Regarding similar items getting attention, my latest experiment doesn't really have any "same product line" items running so I don't have a direct compare.

However, in another earlier selling group I had a number of items 6 separate but similar ones running, and some got early quick bids. ONLY those items with quick bids had high view numbers. The items were all closing within a couple minutes of each other and they were all part of a larger "set" if purchased together, so theoretically someone interested in one, would be interested in them all (some bidders were bidding on all of the items) if they saw them all.

This leads me to believe one really has to satisfy the "algorithm" for stuff to be seen, even getting someone to look at one auction doesn't necessarily mean they'll look at others running close by!  Some must, but based on the view counts I saw it wasn't a regular thing, or the extra viewers weren't generally as interested in looking at others.

As with all things, there are far too many variables to really understand what's going on.....but it doesn't stop us trying!! 

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Update regarding the original 99c items:

-both sold for the normal amount

-the item with 38 views early on ended up with 113 by the end. 

-the item with 52 views early on ended up with 62 by the end.

-the view increase "discrepancy" I believe is a result of the "38 view" item getting very close to the final (normal) price very early in the bidding, which discouraged other viewers?

-more than usual other items sold, but I think it was moreso due to them running over the holidays. Future experiments will better define this, see future update(s)

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@msau4301 gave me an idea for another separate experiment.

I do have "graduated" sized items of the same "product line". First round of experiments is that I'm going to run all the sizes at once, the smallest starting at 1c, the rest (larger ones) will be listed at their normal price as they have been previously. This minimizes the risk.

Depending on how that goes, I'll either list more of the sizes at 1c, or if I'm really wanting to push the limits I'll start them ALL at 1c. I doubt I do that but time will tell.

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The 1c experiments are already under way, I have a batch of 4 running that have performed well when they were listed at the normal prices. They're working their way up bids wise, at best they're maybe getting a few more early views than was the case in the past. So far they aren't yet up to what I would have originally started them at, but they're only on day 2 of 7.

 

The ones that I originally started at 99c were started again last night at 1c to see if anything different happens.  Interestingly so far the views are decent sized (11, 10 twelve hours in) but both have only 1 bid of 1c each. It will be interesting to see if the low price drives more views as seems to have happened with the one with a lower price after the first day in the first experiment.

*Addendum, moments after I did this, one of them had bids up to almost the normal selling price (the same one that did this last time) so it will be interesting to see if the pattern repeats like it did last week)

I'll add more updates as I have things I think are of interest.

 

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I'm happy to have given you an idea for another experiment! (I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy!)

I wanted to give an update on my findings and also point out there also seems to be a big difference in items just directly done as "re-list" versus the new listings. I had done the 80's boys toys items that didn't sell as straight re-lists (one that had 23 watchers last time still has zero) and I think maybe at least some of my watchers/views had been people thinking they might get something else only if they won the auction they were hoping for the most. (I often get questions about combined shipping). The new listings I put up recently were my usual vintage Barbie items and they have had more activity (by activity I mean watchers, questions about combined shipping, questions about shipping to international destinations, etc.) So even though I had two totally separate collectible categories (80's action toys and 70's Barbies) the flurry (I think) is a mix of a brand new listing always doing better than a "re-list" and having at least one new somewhat popular item (at least to collectors). You are brave with your 1 cent start, I've not even tried the .99 route but that would be an interesting experiment! Good luck with all of them! 🙂

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@msau4301 "fortunately" for me this is a business.

Even if something sells for only 1c I internalize the loss as an "advertising" expense. I do lots of things to attract customers, all of the activities that cost money no matter "how" I think of as what used to be my advertising expenses of days of old!

One must recall that I've been selling long before there was an internet. 

The cost of "advertising" in this new modern much electric world is much less than it was in the olden days...for me at least, which isn't generally appreciated by the folks who've only known the electronic version.

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While I was not in sales pre-internet I certainly do remember those days with such fondness!  Back in what I  think of as "the good old days", going to the library to get information from encyclopedias (though I couldn't count how many times I've googled something!), starting work at a time when I was expected to fetch coffee, had to wear pantyhose (even on the hottest days of summer) and working with fax machines and photocopiers that would jam on a daily. I still wouldn't trade it in to be born now! (I remember the time my daughter asked me what a payphone was, sigh....)

I joined eBay back during one of my nostalgia kicks, looking for old toys I had as a kid, and have been hooked ever since. Though I mostly sell as a hobby (and to clear out my own insane collection) I do appreciate those like yourself who have done it all and seen it all right here!! Kudos to you! 🙂

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I looked at a few of your listings (hopefully does not skew the view counts too much), some come up in  CDN, some in USD (with conversion to CDN) . I'm assuming some are listed on .com and others on .ca. Does this make a difference in views/interest/sales?

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@busybeas_books 

Yes generally in my current state of things items are split about half and half on .COM and .CA

The coles notes reasons for this are:

  • Items are listed on the site most likely to be buying them, ie Canadian stamps on .CA, other countries on .COM
  • Items are listed on .CA because of the relative "shipping cost". If the shipping cost is relatively high to the US against the item's value, these are listed free shipping on .CA with a shipping cost to the US. This is because I list "free shipping" domestically on the "home site". Putting a low valued item on .COM with free shipping punishes Canadians because too much shipping is built in against the actual shipping cost for Canadians (the small packet vs lettermail problem).

The above model has evolved over time. 

The answer to your question is that I have absolutely no idea. I have been astounded by:

  • the number of times a $9.99 $C item on .CA with $8.50 shipping to the US has sold on .CA
  • the number of times a buyer from the US buys an item from .CA which is more expensive with shipping added than a similar item for sale on .COM that has free shipping and the reverse, a Canadian buyer buying the .COM item which is more expensive to them than the .CA item

This all leads me to believe the buying experience is more a result of the algorithms/promotions plunking stuff in front of folks than folks searching out the best solution, or at least when they are buying from me.

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Current state of 3 experiments:

4 traditionally popular auction items started at 1c

  • 4 days in, views relatively high compared to traditional
  • prices slowly rising
  • 1 is over traditional start price, one is close
  • NO affect on views of any other "unrelated" items in the auction group

Prior 2 lots 99c special, now started at 1c

  • 3 days in 
  • .CA item has reached about selling price views 49, it rose slowly (same as when started at 99c), views continuous. I suspect views will stagnate now
  • .COM item has reached about selling price views 18, same as 99c experiment it jumped in price quickly, views stagnated once it reached about selling price
  • NO affect on views for any other unrelated items in the group

1c auction lowest value to bring viewers to larger sized BIN priced lots

  • 2 days in, bid price still low, in the $1 range
  • .CA 22 views primary, 3,2,0 views on larger BIN priced
  • .COM 10 views primary, 4 views on larger BIN priced
  • As is the case in the other experiments, it is looking very much like the views are only drawn to the item with the bids on it.

So far my observations are that the primary benefit of low start bid auctions is only on the item itself, and while it is actively being bid on. We'll see how it unfolds.

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When I started selling on eBay twenty years ago, I was listing mostly stamps. Back then eBay was primarily an auction site. I would list about 100 items a week, almost all with 1c starting bids, and would be very happy with the selling price at least 90% of the time. Things are very different now.

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Current state of 3 experiments:

4 traditionally popular auction items started at 1c

  • closes in 6 hours, views relatively high compared to traditional
  • 1 is over traditional start price, other 3 are close
  • watcher count is a bit higher than previously I would say
  • NO affect on views of any other "unrelated" items in the auction group

Prior 2 lots 99c special, now started at 1c

  • 5 days in 
  • .CA item has reached about selling price views now 66 (49,before) views somewhat stagnated now 
  • .COM item has reached about selling price views 24 (18 before), same as 99c experiment it jumped in price quickly, views stagnated once it reached about selling price
  • NO affect on views for any other unrelated items in the group

1c auction lowest value to bring viewers to larger sized BIN priced lots

  • 5 days in, bid price stagnated very low compared to normal BIN price
  • watcher count a bit higher than normal but not much
  • .CA 39 views primary (22 before), 5,1,4 on larger BIN priced (before) 3,0,2 
  • .COM 21 views primary (10 before), 7 views on larger BIN priced (4 before)
  • As is the case in the other experiments, it is looking very much like the views are only drawn to the item with the bids on it.

The observations that the primary benefit of low start bid auctions is only on the item itself, and while it is actively being bid on seem to strengthen. We'll see how it unfolds, and of course keep in mind that there are very very many factors that can affect this within and definitely amongst different categories.

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