Anybody sending to USA items with mere paper label COO sticker "Made in USA" and what items you sold

[itolduandso]

Last time I went to Stallion for pickup I've see there Chinese folks putting labels on widgets and plastic molded parts in large quantities, opening boxes, taking each of the plastic pieces out and putting white Made in Canada labels on them. Maybe they are made in Canada, maybe not, who knows. Maybe they print them at hom with a 3D printer, maybe they import from China and sneak things to US as being made in China. These were like various parts likely used in non-consumer products.

I spoke with a business owner who lives in Windsor and sells things like smal tubes or special fasterners and he takes packages to US when visiting his brother just on the other side of the border. He said, why I don't just put a paper label on things that are made in Canada or in the USA and they are vintage. On products where I know for sure they are made in USA/Canada and they are older than the current products available in stores, vintage being 20 years, without need to be antiques, because that white paper label would count as COO, its enough and I shouln't be worry at all about the sticker.

Maybe he is right. I found a Vintage Norwalk juicer left on the side walk, pristine condition and working. Its 1980s maybe, who knows. I have no need for this so I thought to sell it. I have a buyer from the US. I don't know what generations these are but there there is no Country of origin printed on them, no Made in USA, who knows why they didn't put the COO there at that time, probably because nobody cared about puttin one there, or maybe it is missing, it only shows the company name and city and state and zipcode. The phone number is not in service anymore, I mean the company is no longer in business it seems.

So why do I do in this case? This is clearly a USA product. So he told me just to put white sticker label on it Made in USA and I will be fine.

I am revisiting my earlier post again here saying products older than 20 years do not need to have COO.

 https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Seller-Central/US-Country-of-Origin-marking-Exceptions/m-p/520984

What do people do in case like this? 
1. I know the decission about whether to put a tariff or not is with the US customs officer

2. Does it mean if the product doesn't have a original COO either stamped, etched, painted etc, then I am at the mercy of the US customs whether they decide to let it pass or not?

Put a white COO label and cross my fingers?

And what do people do with real antique. I have an older wool  blanket that was made by Hudson Bay company wone of the older ones they made, same model selling online for 100's dollars, they are real value, the tag is damaged and not readable but they may have been made in UK rather than in Canada. 

SO what do I do? Same thing, put the CCO label on it, what Made in Canada? 

[marnotom!]

I’m thinking that this would be a type of “solution” that Stallion and Chit Chats are actively trying to discourage to prevent their shipments getting turned back at the border.

[itolduandso]

Well if I need to send by Canada Post, I will send by CP, that's fine.  

I know what I would need to do, take that juicer, go to the nearest US border, make documentation, photos and book appointment to ask if they let it through or not. I am not a seller of Norwalk vintage juicers, but I come across stuff that is made in USA but doesn't have COO marking on it. So it's not just the juicer here. 

Most folks would probably say - don't sell to US. But the reality is that the purchasing power in Canada is way smaller than 10th of the buyer power in the US, it's like 1/20th right now. I get inquires on FB Marketplace people lowballing me asking 50% discount on things. I am discouraged to sell anything in Canada nowadays.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@marnotom! wrote:
I’m thinking that this would be a type of “solution” that Stallion and Chit Chats are actively trying to discourage to prevent their shipments getting turned back at the border.

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Actually Stallion told me to put a sticker if it's not well marked. Some people print stickers on their printer at home, I've been handwriting it unless it's something I made (then I have special stickers for my company to put on those items to identify them as Canada made).

Of things I put stickers on... there were a couple of tokens I labeled "made in Italy" (they were Latin language Catholic medallions), I had a pin for Carlsberg that I put a "made in Denmark" sticker on it (I don't know where the pin was made, it's not marked, but Carlsberg is from Denmark, so that's my best guess). I had a few made in Canada items (besides stuff I made in the way of jewellery and sewing projects, the stickers I use for those are printed by Vista Print).

So far with those handmade (and actually hand written) stickers there's been no issue. I do my best to declare the item very well, so the only question when opening it is if they don't believe what's inside the package (and an Xray will show coins, tokens, pins and other metal objects, I presume the banknotes metal strip will show as well on the Xray). If the item is properly declared, it seems the country of origin isn't in question unless it's the kind of item that is regularly made in China (where they would want to verify origin, such as clothing items, or electronics where power supplies are usually from China).

C.

[nhl_automotive]

They don't even open the parcels, just put the COO and tariff code and stop overthinking it. And I don't understand why people are using Stallion and Chitchats when they can just easily print an ebay label and send for cheaper.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@nhl_automotive wrote:

They don't even open the parcels, just put the COO and tariff code and stop overthinking it. And I don't understand why people are using Stallion and Chitchats when they can just easily print an ebay label and send for cheaper.

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They travel a little faster with services like Stallion and Chit Chats with a quick clearing across the border (unless something's going on, like when this China stuff started, stopped and started again). I find it convenient to track my items in the Stallion Express portal. Plus shipping domestically from the US means I can put that in my listing which may give me increased visibility when buyers are screening their search and picking "US only" for item location. The visibility is the main reason I keep doing it.

C.

[mrdutch1001]

I have changed nothing with regards to my shipping processes...still using Canada Post, and when I remember I insert CoO and tariff code...and have had no issues with packages to the USA(I do not list/do not sell anything made in China, & have not for at least 15 years...)

[cottagewoman]

2kg limit doesn't help as well when shipping larger items.

[john_koenig99]

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@itolduandso wrote:

Well if I need to send by Canada Post, I will send by CP, that's fine.  

I know what I would need to do, take that juicer, go to the nearest US border, make documentation, photos and book appointment to ask if they let it through or not. I am not a seller of Norwalk vintage juicers, but I come across stuff that is made in USA but doesn't have COO marking on it. So it's not just the juicer here. 

Most folks would probably say - don't sell to US. But the reality is that the purchasing power in Canada is way smaller than 10th of the buyer power in the US, it's like 1/20th right now. I get inquires on FB Marketplace people lowballing me asking 50% discount on things. I am discouraged to sell anything in Canada nowadays.

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My experience is different. Most of my sells have been domestic, with a few more from Europe and NZ. And very few from from US buyers. 

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@sapphyres-designer-jewellery wrote:

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@marnotom! wrote:
I’m thinking that this would be a type of “solution” that Stallion and Chit Chats are actively trying to discourage to prevent their shipments getting turned back at the border.

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Actually Stallion told me to put a sticker if it's not well marked. Some people print stickers on their printer at home, I've been handwriting it unless it's something I made (then I have special stickers for my company to put on those items to identify them as Canada made).

Of things I put stickers on... there were a couple of tokens I labeled "made in Italy" (they were Latin language Catholic medallions), I had a pin for Carlsberg that I put a "made in Denmark" sticker on it (I don't know where the pin was made, it's not marked, but Carlsberg is from Denmark, so that's my best guess). I had a few made in Canada items (besides stuff I made in the way of jewellery and sewing projects, the stickers I use for those are printed by Vista Print).

So far with those handmade (and actually hand written) stickers there's been no issue. I do my best to declare the item very well, so the only question when opening it is if they don't believe what's inside the package (and an Xray will show coins, tokens, pins and other metal objects, I presume the banknotes metal strip will show as well on the Xray). If the item is properly declared, it seems the country of origin isn't in question unless it's the kind of item that is regularly made in China (where they would want to verify origin, such as clothing items, or electronics where power supplies are usually from China).

C.

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@sapphyres-designer-jewellery 

@cottagewoman 

@itolduandso 

If you are a manufacturer of a product and sell internationally its standard business practice to apply made in canada as matter of routine. If you were a warehouser of assorted products they would arrive pre marked on boxes with COO. Anything bulk packaged has country on the box and on the products. With one of kind type items its a little less cut and dried. It just helps customs make an accessment if you label the outside of the packaging to mirror your customs documentation. 

The 2 routes are both acceptable. You can either print your own and mark accordingly or purchase from multiple sites based on where the items you are selling are made. (One of a kind, just manually label.) Really all depends on your mix of products. Please note. If you are looking for the more official off the shelf Made in China stickers you can purchase from the cough cough place they are mostly shipped from China. Got mine in 2 weeks. Tax was not applicable. 

Hey if stamps on a box can toot their horn......

[msau4301]

"it only shows the company name and city and state and zipcode."

I would think the city, state and zip being on the item would be enough without adding a special Made in USA sticker.

As others have said as long as you have the COO and tariff numbers listed on the label/customs form I don't think an extra sticker on the product inside is necessary

[dinomitesales]

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@itolduandso wrote:

Maybe he is right. I found a Vintage Norwalk juicer left on the side walk, pristine condition and working. Its 1980s maybe, who knows. I have no need for this so I thought to sell it. I have a buyer from the US. I don't know what generations these are but there there is no Country of origin printed on them, no Made in USA, who knows why they didn't put the COO there at that time, probably because nobody cared about puttin one there, or maybe it is missing, it only shows the company name and city and state and zipcode. The phone number is not in service anymore, I mean the company is no longer in business it seems.

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In this specific example I would just declare it as CoO of "USA" and send it off via Canada Post.

In the (very) unlikely scenario that a US CBP officer opened the package to inspect it they would probably see the USA address and agree with the CoO. Worst case scenario it gets sent back to me, I refund the sale, apologize to the buyer, and forget about it.

I feel like a lot of your hesitation is specifically with using a CBS? If you disagree with the way they are handling things then my suggestion to you is to just not use them for any items that may have an ambiguous CoO. Set up a separate shipping policy for just these items that uses Canada Post. Or, just don't list them for international sale at all.

[itolduandso]

I assume if I purchase Canada Post Tracked USA label from Stallion is the same as purchaing the Canada Post label from Shippo or from Canada Post direct. Stallion isn't affected in any way, whatever the outcome of the shipment is going to be delivered/returned, right?

[mrdutch1001]

My most recent shipment to the USA(a printed in the USA crochet pattern) was sent Canada Post Tracked Packet. The shipping label was purchased through eBay, I did input the CoO and the related tariff code for the shipping label. That item was put into the mail on June 3rd and was delivered to the recipient in the USA today June 9th..NO issues!

[dinomitesales]

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@itolduandso wrote:

I assume if I purchase Canada Post Tracked USA label from Stallion is the same as purchaing the Canada Post label from Shippo or from Canada Post direct. Stallion isn't affected in any way, whatever the outcome of the shipment is going to be delivered/returned, right?

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Yes, there is no difference between purchasing the Canada Post Tracked Packet from Stallion vs anywhere else. Just purchase it through eBay Labels to get the best rate.