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What happens now that orders are in the mail with a possible expected delivery date of September 30 and early October, what happens if not received there is no way of knowing whether these items will be received after strike is over.  Will eBay delay delivery date?

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Ha, yes. You’ve explained it nicely.

For my small part, I made a metric tonne of noise today. Sometimes, I surprise even myself.

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that's all fine and dandy, if you are shipping items, that can be sent with another service.. a lot of ebay sellers, count on letter mail and small package services, .. where the price can't be matched with a local courier..  good on you, for being able to do it,, but the majority can't..

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@esclyons wrote:

that's all fine and dandy, if you are shipping items, that can be sent with another service.. a lot of ebay sellers, count on letter mail and small package services, .. where the price can't be matched with a local courier..  good on you, for being able to do it,, but the majority can't..


That is precisely the point I am making. The vast majority of established, large multinational/brick and mortar retailers are virtually unaffected by this and it is the small business or individual who is disproportionately effected. 

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This is the point I hammered home today with whomever I spoke to about this. The people getting squeezed in this fight are the ones least likely to be able to defend themselves from impact.

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i dont think there is an exaggeration. the union is saying so to start trying to convince the public that this isn't their fault, as the tables have turned in that most canadians who are angry about the strike blame the union. and rightfully so. their leader is an absolute turd, sorry to say.

 

fact is that mail IS significantly delayed, there is no question about it. fact is that prices are still the same for expedited and express services. fact is that the gov is all talk and no action. fact is that no settlement will be reached and it will have to be forced to end.

 

i have loved ones around the world and they are absolutely shocked at this mess, they never heard a national postal service doing anything like this, for this long, so close to christmas. 

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

Did UPS tell you that they would be charging a brokerage fee even when f there was no tax or duty on the package?  


Sorry for the late reply. The Brokerage fee is just for getting it through Customs. Other fees could apply depending on the parcel - duties, taxes, remote location charge....you really have to read the fine print, but the 18 dollar brokerage was the standard charge for the UPS Standard Service rate. If you were to use the other more expensive UPS services, the brokerage fee is built in and the only extra costs would be duties, taxes or whatever which would be different for each parcel.

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It's begun:

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-move-to-end-canada-post-strike-table-back-to-work-bill-1.418792...

 

Here's something hopeful:

 

"The federal government has put forward a motion seeking to speed up the passage of the bill through the House of Commons.  The motion proposes to try to move the legislation through multiple legislative steps in one day, limiting the length of time MPs have to debate the proposed bill, and studying it in an hour-long “committee of the whole” meaning the House all together, rather than being sent off to a smaller committee for a longer study. If this motion passes, it is possible for the bill to pass the House of Commons within a day, but it would still need to be passed by the Senate before it could come into force."

 

So if the motion works, they could be back to work by the weekend.  In the nick of time or too late?

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The Government should have acted two weeks ago with back to work legislation that won't kick-in now until Monday or Tuesday.  

 

It's Trudeau's way of appeasing both sides including the general public. Any intervention at this point is a "Band-Aid solution" to a out of control problem. It will basically take until the end of January 2019 for the postal system to return to normal.

 

A little too late in my books and I will be voting according in 2019. 

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CUPW has vowed to fight the legislation in court.

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What the Trudeau Government failed to realize is how important the month of November is for on-line sellers and the general public. Most packages are mailed out during this month and into early December.

 

The Post office is basically back to normal by Dec.10.   

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Even if legislation is passes...eventually ... (the NDP will delay it)...angry postal workers will not work overtime to clear up the backlog. Overtime is necessary on normal Christmas seasons because of extra mail volume.

 

It will be well after the Christmas sales season is gone before the mails run well again. A lot of us will just have to live with sales losses.

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I don’t see it that way.

Working Overtime pays the bills a lot faster than not getting paid at all on rotating strike. I think the average worker will work as hard as he or she needs to work to fix this for themselves and their fellow Canadian. Postal workers shop online too.

The shame is that last week they were given the opportunity to go back willing with $1000 in their pockets and they weren’t allowed by the union brass to even vote on whether or not to do it.

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I hope you are right but seriously doubt it. I worked on the rail road back to work legislation was done to force a return to work. It affected moral and productivity for the next 6 months at least.

 

Right now the post office is in transition but past labour actions including strikes are why the wages there are fairly good.  It is a difficult reality that things have changed and the postal system has to modernize to meet those changes or become irreverent to most Canadians.

 

Not irrelevant to me or to many small sellers here but irrelevant to the great majority of citizens. Many people I know had no idea there was a postal disruption until the news of the last few days. It just does not matter to them.

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i'm just glad NDP is not in power, can you imagine how far our country would fall?

 

but, liberals obviously are running scared and want to prolong things as much as possible while under tremendous pressure from the public, from big businesses and probably political parties to do something about this. even if CUPW takes a back to work legislation to court, chances are they will get a **bleep**ty settlement, lesser than any original proposals from CP, less than what they want, unless by some miracle they do. And even if they do, i am willing to bet they will be striking again next year for some other reason.

 

in the end, postal workers AND the canadian public both get screwed over. it's only the executives and union leaders that get any benefits. the problem always starts at the top.

 

 

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@momcqueen wrote:

Working Overtime pays the bills a lot faster than not getting paid at all on rotating strike. I think the average worker will work as hard as he or she needs to work to fix this for themselves and their fellow Canadian. Postal workers shop online too.

Postal workers also have families to feed and spend time with.  As a working mother, I'm sure you appreciate the juggling act, even if you work from home.  I think many Canada Post workers reluctantly take on overtime work in regular circumstances because while the extra money's nice, it has a deleterious effect on the their life outside of the workplace.  Work/life balance is important, particularly this time of year.


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The shame is that last week they were given the opportunity to go back willing with $1000 in their pockets and they weren’t allowed by the union brass to even vote on whether or not to do it.

My guess as to why the offer didn't go to a union vote is that the offer didn't sufficiently address the needs of a certain group of employees--let's say the rural carriers--and since this group makes up a minority chunk of the membership, there were concerns that their votes could have been buried by votes by other parts of the membership.  Mail carriers made up a separate union from CUPW until the late 1980s, I believe.


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@marnotom! wrote:

@momcqueen wrote:

Working Overtime pays the bills a lot faster than not getting paid at all on rotating strike. I think the average worker will work as hard as he or she needs to work to fix this for themselves and their fellow Canadian. Postal workers shop online too.

Postal workers also have families to feed and spend time with.  As a working mother, I'm sure you appreciate the juggling act, even if you work from home.  I think many Canada Post workers reluctantly take on overtime work in regular circumstances because while the extra money's nice, it has a deleterious effect on the their life outside of the workplace.  Work/life balance is important, particularly this time of year.


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The shame is that last week they were given the opportunity to go back willing with $1000 in their pockets and they weren’t allowed by the union brass to even vote on whether or not to do it.

My guess as to why the offer didn't go to a union vote is that the offer didn't sufficiently address the needs of a certain group of employees--let's say the rural carriers--and since this group makes up a minority chunk of the membership, there were concerns that their votes could have been buried by votes by other parts of the membership.  Mail carriers made up a separate union from CUPW until the late 1980s, I believe.



I have an endless amount of empathy for our postal workers who are putting in long hours in painful and uncomfortable positions but it's very difficult for me to have sympathy for someone who is already compensated better than me in every way conceivable and still wants more.

 

My family of six lives hand-to-mouth. My husband works every day for months at a time with no guaranteed stable income to (maybe) earn enough to pay the mortgage and loans. We have no benefits of any kind. My kids wouldn't recognize a dentist if one hit them in the face. None of our family's prescriptions are paid and I live with a serious chronic health disorder.  We don't take holidays. What little I earn from ebay sales pays for groceries and utilities and allows me to buy clothes and toys for my kids.

 

At this time of year, my ebay sales for November and December should easily equal or exceed everything else from January to October combined. This year, due to public confidence lost in the postal system as a result of rotating strikes by union members who are already many times over better off than me, those sales do not. So now what? Do we eat less? Or skip my own Christmas? Not pay the utilities? For how long?

 

If I was someone living comfortably in some other life, this would not matter as keenly to me as it does. 

 

I love my letter carrier. I appreciate the hard, hard work that Canada Post employees do every day. But other people are also working hard (or harder at worse jobs) for a lot less. 

 

Asking me to sympathize with the plight of people being forced back to work by legislation when they could have gone happily with an extra $1000 in their wallets if they only agreed to set their differences aside at the time it matters most to Canadians and agreed to keep fighting afterwards? That's like a homeless dude to give a man in a $7000 suit the only sandwich he'll see today. CUPW, in my estimation, bungled this for their members. Period. 

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@momcqueen wrote:


I have an endless amount of empathy for our postal workers who are putting in long hours in painful and uncomfortable positions but it's very difficult for me to have sympathy for someone who is already compensated better than me in every way conceivable and still wants more.


I appreciate that you're in a difficult spot, but I don't follow how you feel that attempting to keep up with inflation, addressing inequities, and having processes in place to deal with increased jobsite injuries (I'm hearing a 43 percent increase over the past two years), and restricting employee overwork in order to have more jobs available for those who want them as well as for safety reasons is "wanting more".

 


@momcqueen wrote:


 

I love my letter carrier. I appreciate the hard, hard work that Canada Post employees do every day. But other people are also working hard (or harder at worse jobs) for a lot less. 

And we need to work on raising people like them and you up, not dragging back down to the Dark Ages those who have managed to fight for what they have.

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Dragging to the Dark Ages?

You’ve lost me.

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Also, I’m not asking for more than what what taken from me by CUPW job action. I’m grateful for what I have, and I give freely within my community as much and probably more than I can afford.

Being ordered back to work is not symbolic of losing anything. Postal workers will still gain plenty in their contract and I hope they get everything they deserve. This back-to-work legislation was made necessary by the bad job their union leadership did of leading their way through the negotiations.

Postal workers could have gone back to work on Monday with $1000 in their pockets on a promise to see fellow Canadians through the holiday rush with arguing on contracts to continue immediately afterwards. Instead, their union brass did not allow them to vote on whether they should.

If you’re looking to place blame for something on someone, look to CUPW leadership. This isn’t about me.
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It's tough for me to respond to your posts when you claim on the one hand that you have little sympathy for someone who "still wants more" from their employer, and on the other hand state that you hope this someone and their colleagues receives everything they deserve.

I will clarify my point about the "Dark Ages" by pushing the timeline up to the start of the Industrial Revolution, when workers didn't have any sort of protection or recourse in the event their employers overworked them, didn't pay them in a timely fashion, or forced them into unsafe work.

I do think you're being a little rash in exclusively blaming CUPW leadership for the mess created by the union exercising its constitutional rights.  Public sector unions have an uphill battle to fight when negotiating with their employers, because the employer knows it just has to get the union riled up enough to strike and disrupt things and they can get the government to legislate them back to work.

You may find this of interest:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/court-papers-prove-government-wanted-to-goad-t...

 

 

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