08-04-2013 02:15 PM
I shipped item to shipping address on Sales Record and also PayPal payment. I have a stamped postal receipt from Canada Post that I have mailed it.
It turns out the address was wrong. It shows City: Buenos Aires. Looked complete to me. Turns out purchaser lives in the City of Tigre so item is lost.
eBay has now found in favor of the purchaser and refunded her payment.
Why am I responsible for a lost item when purchaser did not provide accurate shipping address?
08-05-2013 03:06 PM
@73rhc wrote:
I have repeatedly ask them to share their "real" identity. And so far, not one as had the decency to reply.
The decency to reply? They don't owe you any explanation. Ebay allows posting id's so you don't have a right to 'demand' that they give you their selling names. I admit that I'm not a big fan of people posting under another id but if I did use one, I doubt that I would give my selling name to someone who has been confrontational in the majority of their posts.
You don't like anyone with a posting id giving their opionion and that's your right. But you've made your point about that...do you really have to state it over and over??
08-05-2013 03:15 PM
@73rhc wrote:
You've been a member since 2000. You have 512 in feedback. And you have 63 items listed. A full time seller? The OP has over 1100 items listed at this very moment!
I don't know why it should make any difference, or why I should bother to mention it, but I've been selling full-time for about a year and a half, part-time for many years before that. I've also spent years in "real-world" marketing and retailing. I use my eBay store as a conduit for custom/bespoke orders and OOAK garments. These are listed as they are completed, which is why you don't see hundreds of listings at a time, nor the background activity that goes on. Most of the other items are "fillers".
Perhaps I've maintained 100% feedback rating and high DSR scores for the very reason that I've occasionally had to swallow an unpleasant pill or two and keep smiling, even if I knew a buyer was wrong or dishonest. I consider it the cost of doing arm's-length, mail-order business through eBay. As a seller, a chip-on-the-shoulder, entitlement approach can be even more counter productive on eBay than in a brick and mortar store -- here you don't get to work out problems face-to-face with customers.
I sell quite a number of higher-priced and custom-made articles (in the $100 to $350 range), which means volume/turnover is lower. Still, if we're comparing numbers, my number of sales transactions in the past 6 months are only about half of those of the OP. If I am able to find 2 or 3 minutes for an occasional search, I would imagine someone twice as busy as me probably can as well. If you're processing 10 sales an hour, it might be an issue, but realistically both I and the OP are both small sellers in the larger eBay scheme of things.
But that's really not the point - you're inferring that certain people have no business giving views or opinions here, based solely on numbers. I disagree. I've seen apparently very experienced sellers give patently bad advice (or display a rather shocking attitude), and relative newcomers who have come up with some very useful opinions and information. I don't choose to "hide" behind another ID, but some sellers do, for reasons that are all too evident. Opinions given should be judged on their merits, not on the ID of the person offering them, because we usually don't know the full r©sum© of those who come to these boards.
I am simply saying that if I were not shipping regularly to a particular country, and I saw "default" in the address line, I would have taken a few minutes to check. Otherwise I'd have to accept that I'd lose the INR claim without proof of delivery. I certainly don't like eBay's rule on this, but it's almost impossible to independently prove an address is incorrect if a buyer says it isn't, and eBay subscribes to that old saw: "the buyer is always right". Perhaps you can suggest some way eBay could resolve an address issue like this, and pass the word along to the "Pinks". You never know, it might go up the chain to San Jose.
Ultimately, if what I've seen on this discussion thread is any indication, the real issue may have more to do with how the role of selling on eBay is perceived, i.e. that the seller is "owed" something by the buyer besides his money.
08-05-2013 03:37 PM
08-05-2013 03:51 PM
Good posts, Rose-Dee.
I think people also have to remember that there's a world outside of eBay. I've spent over a baker's dozen years in a brick and mortar sales environment (For reals, by the way. The store was made out of bricks and mortar!) and that doesn't and won't show up on my feedback record. Nor will all the sales I've done with my wife, who got the feedback for them, and I'm not about to make an "About Me" page in what likely would be a futile effort to try and untwist the knickers of a few people who seem to be caught up in the world of pixels and baud rates.
I'm not sure why people consider their selling IDs to be any more real than any other eBay ID, either, seeing as a selling ID is usually just that, an ID(!), with the exception of a certain long-standing member with an interest and career in philately.
In any event, I realize that using a limited feedback ID on the Canadian boards is a bit of an anomaly. I explained the reason why my feedback is what it is on another thread quite recently and at the time the explanation seemed to satisfy the person with concerns. I wonder why he's done an about face on that?
Anyway, for those of you who aren't already acquainted with this page (or ones related to it) on customer service from the workers' point of view, you may find it helpful to visit it occasionally. It can be quite funny, or horrifying. It updates pretty frequently:
08-05-2013 03:52 PM
@73rhc wrote:
You point is well taken. I agree with most of what you say an disagree with some. I have called eBay on numerous occasions and got nowhere every time. They pretend to listen and then do nothing. Unless you are a buyer. I believe that if I sell my wares in an honest way, then I should get the same back from my buyer. That is the only thing I believe they "owe" me. And eBay does nothing. Can you contest a low rating that a buyer has left for you?
All I can say is that contacting one of the "Pinks" directly can occasionally be helpful. If the request is made in a professional and courteous way they will sometimes act on your behalf to correct an error, but only if you can provide substantiating details or emails, etc. And if they tell you there's nothing that can be done, there probably really is nothing that can be done.
Personally my experience is that the people eBay has hired to deal with members over the phone are not capable of understanding any problem unless it's "black and white" and can be read off a policy page. I don't think they're biased toward buyers or sellers. They are invariably extremely polite and thoroughly useless to all equally. I've had far better input from consulting and following other sellers on these boards.
08-05-2013 03:58 PM
rose-dee wrote:
Personally my experience is that the people eBay has hired to deal with members over the phone are not capable of understanding any problem unless it's "black and white" and can be read off a policy page. I don't think they're biased toward buyers or sellers. They are invariably extremely polite and thoroughly useless to all equally. I've had far better input from consulting and following other sellers on these boards.
I think many of those CSR's also have, unfortunately, never purchased anything or sold anything on eBay in their lives.
08-05-2013 03:59 PM
Can you contest a low rating that a buyer has left for you?
Yes....
Report a buyer for leaving a low rating and if that buyer has done this to other sellers, and been reported by other sellers... That low rating will not be including when you are evaluated in relation to a standing on eBay... TRS and more.
Done without communication with the buyer......
Keep reporting problem buyers and be surprised.
Check the new rules in relation to feedback... and see what will be changing.....
08-05-2013 04:38 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but where can I see what an individual has left me , let alone someone else?
09-27-2023 10:02 PM
09-28-2023 01:58 AM
Very old thread from 2013.
09-28-2023 01:59 AM
Hi everyone,
Due to the age of this thread, it has been closed to further replies. Please feel free to start a new thread if you wish to continue to discuss this topic.
Thank you for understanding.