Trump Tariffs + Di Minimis gone - Strategies for Canadian sellers

rdemaree
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As I am sure you are all aware of at this point- Trump seems to be making good on his 25% tariffs and removal of di minimis which will end up being more than a 30% effective tax on ALL items once you calculate their orginal tariff code tax imported to USA and also trump says he may even raise it higher than that if we retaliate. 

 

I am trying to strategize on how I can minimize the effects of this as best as possible.

 

Some things I have in mind:

 

-Is there any benefit to listing on .CA vs .COM? I currently list on .COM from Toronto. There is a small fee to do this but using USD and .COM opens me up to a larger base. I am thinking of trying to grow my Canadian base. Currently my customers are about 70% American, 20% Canadian and 10% International.

 

Would listing on .CA and using CAD actually garner more purchases from Canadian buyers? If I could even get it to 30% Canadian and 15-20% international and 50% USA id be happy with that.  Also, is it possible to have your listings on .CA / CAD and .COM / USD?

 

-I am also thinking of ending my free shipping and essentially separating the item cost + shipping cost and offering them separately to optically appear to be cheaper at first glance and to offset the USD to CAD conversion shock. I would round down to a digestible number. INstead of 46.7 CAD it would be 45 CAD etc. stuff like that. 

 

-I am thinking of offering some smaller dollar items as well as offering sales more frequently and for a bit higher percentage. Any ideas on what might be effective on this front?

 

-Currently I use ChitChats. Is Stallion Express cheaper? or is there anything better? I have been really happy with ChitChats for around 3 years now but keeping my mind open to any way to possibly soften the blow from this. If those go under I would have to go back to Netparcel UPS which is less than ideal as it would cost 3-5$ more per small package to ship. 

 

What are some things you all are planning on ? I understand that some people dont sell much to the USA or plan on halting shipments to the USA but thats not an option for me as this is my main income and USA was/ is 70% of my base.

 

All productive thoughts are helpful!

 

 

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There are too many unknowns at the moment to really plan a strategy.

 

Some of your questions are relevant things to consider regardless of Trump Tariffs.

 

Listing on .com or .ca

 

Personally I list on .ca for one simple reason....it's CHEAPER, Store Fees are lower, the International fee is lower, foreign buyers pay the currency exchange if you list on .ca while sellers pay if you list on .com (unless US Dollars are useful to you).

 

On the other hand if you are listing in US Dollars the more the CA Dollar falls the more money you make. Contrary to that, if you are selling in CAD your prices to US buyers either keep dropping or you have more room to increase your prices. The Canadian Dollars is likely to fall at least somewhat more than it's already depressed level.

 

 

I have no comment regarding shipping included vs charged shipping, I always charge shipping as a separate line item and have no plans to every change that.

 

 

I used Chit Chats for a number of years but left due to their erratic decision making. I'm with Stallion since 2020, they provide more/better options for shipping (domestic & International), pricing overall is slightly better than Chit Chats from what I hear. Stallion opened a drop and go very close to me so I'm not switching if it means driving through Toronto traffic save pennies.

 

The big unknown is how the US is going to process incoming low value shipments (low value meaning anything under the old free exemption of US$800).

 

Scenario 1 - Shipments sent to the US via Canada Post

 

This would work just like buying from outside Canada, your orders enter via NY or Chicago or SF, US Customs process and applies the tariff, USPS takes over, recipient has to pay to pick up the order plus a fee similar to Canada Post. You could be seeing a lot of returns for packages never picked up, Americans really are not familiar with this paying duty and fees stuff. Big question here, will US Customs really try and collect $2.50 on a $10 order? If they do I expect the backlogs at entry points could be even worse than the classic 2007-2009 situation in Italy where months of incoming international packages built up and chaos ruled.

 

Scenario 2 - Shipments sent via private carriers from Canada their position as intermediaries  (UPS, FedEx etc)

 

Customs clearance takes place at the point of entry, carrier arranges and pays for brokerage fees and duty which they then collect from buyers. Alternatively you can have these charges billed back to you (presumably you are somehow passing these costs on to the buyers)

 

Several issues here when shipping duty & fees paid by buyer. UPS collect on delivery but if the buyer decides not to pay the package is returned to you  and bonus you get to pay for the return shipping, the original shipping, the original brokerage fees AND the tariffs that were paid. Even worse, FedEx like to just deliver the package and then bill the recipient later for the fees and duty, if they don't pay all of that will be billed back to you.

 

Scenario 3

 

Companies like Stalllion and Chit Chats, the port of entry for both is Niagara Falls, customs processing, payment of tariffs will take place there, they are not able to pass those on to the recipient like can happen when you use Canada post or a carrier like UPS Canada that controls the shipment from door to door.

 

Prepaying the 25% so that the buyer doesn't need to be concerned about it could be attractive to US Buyers, if this was the case it would be nice if eBay would just charge the 2.8% payment processing fee on that amount rather than the regular 13 - 15%....odds of that happening??????

 

There are other things that are not clear. The Canadian tariffs details clearly indicate that our tariffs will only apply to incoming items that are actually "made in the USA" as defined by our current trade agreements. Will the US do the same or will they just blanket add duty for anything shipped from Canada. There are lots of sellers in Canada who ship a mix of Canadian made, US made, plus multiple other countries that at this time are not included in this round of tariffs.

 

One last thing to consider, Trump loves tariffs, he also loves being able to claim victory and he doesn't need an actual victory, he just needs to be able to tell a bunch of lies that the flock believe. This whole issue could be over in weeks or a couple of months. It could also drag on for a long time, there really is no predicting when dealing with the "unstable genius". The last US President that loved tariffs was Herbert Hoover, it was one of the reasons he was elected in 1928, in spite of the historic stock market crash in '29, he went ahead with wide ranging tariffs which turned a market crash into the Great Depression which only ended with the boom caused by WWIII.

 

 

 

 

 



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a wait and see apporach is best for the moment.  We need the details of what is coming tomorrow.   It's not certain diminimus is down to 0.  It could be $100 or $25 for example.  Which would give some sellers some wiggle room.  It's also possible even if it is 0 that many packages will be waived through by US Customs simply because they can't possibly assess tariffs on them all,  manpower-wise.

 

So plan for various scenarios and then adapt, thoughtfully, when we get the detailed details.  And don't make any knee jerk decisions.   Contemplate, read what others are doing and stay calm.     It's probable that many Canadians will be making more effort to buy Canadian, so that may help Canada based sellers offset the damaging effects of these tariffs to a degree.....so having at least some listings on ebay.ca may be beneficial.

 

At least Canadians are facing this challenge with a very united front.  From politicians of different parties to booing the US anthem at sporting events, to cancelling US travel plans to starting to talk about nuclear weapons and suicide vests.  We will surprise the Trumpies with our determination to remain free and unfettered.

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The Di Minimis exemption is ZERO as of Tuesday.

 

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I had hoped it would be set at $100 or $200 but no such luck. I'm sure that somebody will eventually explain to Trump why spending $25 to collect $5 will not make the DOGE guy happy!

 

 

 



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hm......i didn't notice that.  There is still the logistical challenge of assessing tariffs on every single item.  Many might get waived through Customs, at least in the early days.

 

As far as the cost goes though, they can simply apply a $25 fee on top of the tariffs to cover the cost of processing.

 

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@rdemaree wrote:

As I am sure you are all aware of at this point- Trump seems to be making good on his 25% tariffs and removal of di minimis which will end up being more than a 30% effective tax on ALL items once you calculate their orginal tariff code tax imported to USA and also trump says he may even raise it higher than that if we retaliate. 

 

I am trying to strategize on how I can minimize the effects of this as best as possible.

 

Some things I have in mind:

 

-Is there any benefit to listing on .CA vs .COM? I currently list on .COM from Toronto. There is a small fee to do this but using USD and .COM opens me up to a larger base. I am thinking of trying to grow my Canadian base. Currently my customers are about 70% American, 20% Canadian and 10% International.

 

Would listing on .CA and using CAD actually garner more purchases from Canadian buyers? If I could even get it to 30% Canadian and 15-20% international and 50% USA id be happy with that.  Also, is it possible to have your listings on .CA / CAD and .COM / USD?

 

-I am also thinking of ending my free shipping and essentially separating the item cost + shipping cost and offering them separately to optically appear to be cheaper at first glance and to offset the USD to CAD conversion shock. I would round down to a digestible number. INstead of 46.7 CAD it would be 45 CAD etc. stuff like that. 

 

-I am thinking of offering some smaller dollar items as well as offering sales more frequently and for a bit higher percentage. Any ideas on what might be effective on this front?

 

-Currently I use ChitChats. Is Stallion Express cheaper? or is there anything better? I have been really happy with ChitChats for around 3 years now but keeping my mind open to any way to possibly soften the blow from this. If those go under I would have to go back to Netparcel UPS which is less than ideal as it would cost 3-5$ more per small package to ship. 

 

What are some things you all are planning on ? I understand that some people dont sell much to the USA or plan on halting shipments to the USA but thats not an option for me as this is my main income and USA was/ is 70% of my base.

 

All productive thoughts are helpful!

 

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   Absolutely there's a benefit to listing on eBay Canada! Thank you for asking the question!

   Listing on dot com moves your sales numbers to San Jose. This is why the international eBay sales figures are deceiving. They're below 1% of total eBay sales because they don't represent Canadian sellers selling on dot com.

   

   For example  Germany has 85 million people and accounts for 11% of ebay sales. It sports an amazing eBay building with 100 employees. Canada has 40 million people. It has (or had until tomorrow) the USA market right next door.  In effect eBay Canada's numbers should be about 6% or more of total sales.

 

 Nearly 90% of eBay sellers in Canada live near the border. Many, like yourself  list on eBay USA instead of on Canada's platform.  This is anyone's choice but it has it's side effects such as very little growth on eBay Canada, few new innovations, less marketting tools and more difficulties getting customer service. 

 

    It makes no difference to me where sellers list there items but I would like to see eBay Canada benefit from the revenue generated by Canadians.   If you list on eBay Canada you pay your fees to a Canadian entity not San Jose. Who knows if that money goes there eventually but at least some stays in the country. It's no wonder the service and perks in Canada have been diminished over the years.  

 

    These days eBay Canada operates out of temporary office space in Toronto where it provides jobs to business school school graduates some of which are likely "mined" for positions in other countries.  Here's a headline from the Vancouver Sun in 2009:   "E-commerce giant eBay is closing its Metro Vancouver customer-service office and cutting about 700 jobs as it consolidates customer-service operations in Salt Lake City, Utah, the company announced late Tuesday."

   

   In no way am I going to dabate this.  This is what I believe in. those of you that sell on dot com have their reasons and that's fine. It makes no difference to me. I also considered that cholice carefully when I started out in Vancouver in 2009.  I chose dot ca and have no regrets. I learned how to add things like video without going on dot com and I love selling on eBay Canada.

 

  You asked the question and I'm telling you what works for me. No debates please.

  Please don't shoot the messenger!

 

  There's an old saying " Use it or lose it!" I recommend using eBay Canada.

 

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I'm registered in Canada and list mostly on dotCOM. My payments come to me in Canadian not US dollars.

Is the "small fee" you talk about the currency exchange fee, because it is free to list on any eBay site. *?

Listings on dotCOM are easily found by Canadian buyers. It is quite likely that most do not know that dotCA exists.

 

It's been my experience in several disparate categories that sales to the US are about 85-90% of my sales, overseas about 5% and Canada 5-10%. Which reflects the larger population of the USA and that they are the world's largest single economy.

 

Free Shipping (which is of course not free) is liked/expected by customers. I'd keep it whenever possible. I use dotCA mostly to list bulky or heavy products (like books) which require Calculated Shipping.  I recently sold a book for $50Cdn with $33Cdn in shipping. It would have been higher if he were in Canada. Much higher if he were in Yukon.

I believe Free  Shipping works until you are pushed into using Calculated. Free meaning the costs of shipping and massaged into the price of the product.

 

Selling low value items may or may not work. Demand and supply are more important than price, again in my opinion.

 

I use PL at the minimum 2% to increase Views. It doesn't appear to increase sales of thePL items, but does bring more boys to the yard.

I use Best Offer on all my listings. Oddly more than 75% of my Fixed Price listings are sold to a Best Offer.

I use BO targetted from time to time. This is slightly more effective even though the targetted BO is less than the general BO I have on the items.

 

You do know that eBay and Canada Post now offer Tracked Packet USA from ~$7.15  on up and have for a couple of years?  There are discussions about how parcel forwarders are going to handle the Trump Tax for our US customers.

 

 

*We pay subscription fees for Stores, but most fees are post-sale.

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for myself, no changes as I will continue with offering my items to USA customers, same as usual. I list all my items alternating them on.CA. I also list one category on.COM and will continue to take that approach. I do believe there is an advantage to listing on .CA with the low CDN currency as that will still be an incentive for potential USA buyers...

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@fergua3 wrote:

hm......i didn't notice that.  There is still the logistical challenge of assessing tariffs on every single item.  Many might get waived through Customs, at least in the early days.

 

As far as the cost goes though, they can simply apply a $25 fee on top of the tariffs to cover the cost of processing.

 


One other factor in play will be what amount tariffs are applicable to. For couriers the amount includes the shipping total. For postal transactions it didn't. Who knows what number they are using when State taxes got thrown into the mix. A processing charge is a big unknown. Important to also remember with de minimus and couriers those processing charges applied. Couriers processing fees are substantially higher compared to as an example CP's flat 9.95 CAD and a added fee.

 

As a side note US sellers using eIS pay FVF's to hub. Canadians pay on whole amount. 

 

Incoterms: Refresher - This option is available for couriers and Shippo. Not with eBay Labels. Choosing the applicable one is a protection for shippers/based on an arrangement with buyer. 

  • EXW - Ex Works
  • FCA - Free Carrier
  • CPT Carriage Paid To
  • CIP - Carriage and Insurance Paid. 
  • DAT - Delivered at Terminal. 
  • DAP - Delivered At Place. 
  • DDP - Delivered Duty Paid.
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Generally speaking shipping charges as a seperate line item are not subject duty/tarrifs in any country, they are subject to VAT/GST but not duties.

 

In the US some States include shipping when calculating Sales Tax but on the Federal level there is no Sales Tax and shipping charges are not dutiable.

 

Of course if you tried to send an item declared at $1 with $1000 shipping your customs declaration would likely be reassesed based on Fair Market Value rules.

 

 

 

 



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@recped wrote:

Generally speaking shipping charges as a seperate line item are not subject duty/tarrifs in any country, they are subject to VAT/GST but not duties.

 

In the US some States include shipping when calculating Sales Tax but on the Federal level there is no Sales Tax and shipping charges are not dutiable.

 

Of course if you tried to send an item declared at $1 with $1000 shipping your customs declaration would likely be reassesed based on Fair Market Value rules.

 

 

 

 


@recped  Thanks for the clarification. This is what I was basing it on. 

 

  • Customs value
    The customs value is the price paid for the goods, including all costs up to delivery to the US. 
    • Shipping costs
      Shipping costs can include duties and taxes, but the cost of the goods is the amount that is dutiable. 
       
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      • Import duty
        The import duty is the tax applied to the cost of the goods. 
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I'm quite familiar with this shipping thing because of an intensive audit by Canada Customs in the early 80's (the auditor spent two weeks going through thousands of customs entries).

 

I had one supplier who added an "export packing" charge to every invoice, not a big charge, maybe about 1 - 2 Dollars on each box in a shipment. I had always considered it as part of shipping and thus not included in the dutiable total of the shipment.

 

Customs made a ruling that is in line with this statement you posted.....

 

"The customs value is the price paid for the goods, including all costs up to delivery to the US" (delivery starts at the point the carrier takes possession).

 

.... The ruling was that the Export Packing was not part of the delivery charge because they were applied prior to being shipped and would apply regardless of how or when they were shipped.

 

After two weeks of hanging out in my office (really restricting our normal activities) he left with a cheque of about $600 which represented the duty evaded on 4 years worth of orders from that one supplier. This was a classic case of spending that far exceeds the amounts recovered.

 

Once he left we could all get back to our standard afternoon pot smoking sessions!!!!!

 



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We had one of those guys in the 90s. He didn't realize the office we gave him had one way glass and we could see him reading a novel when he was supposed to be auditing.

We called his supervisor. He didn't come in the next day.  Audit over.

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@recped wrote:

 

Of course if you tried to send an item declared at $1 with $1000 shipping your customs declaration would likely be reassesed based on Fair Market Value rules.

 


 

For new items yesr, but I am wondering what would they do with all the used items, how are they going reassess value of it. Are they putting it on scale and saying how much the shipping should have been and the value of the item?

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We just had our first encounter with the tariffs. We ship around 25 items/week to US.  A buyer gave us a neutral feedback because he hadn't recieved his item (of course before even corresponding with us). 

Turns out that the item is being held in Detroit due to duty charges. It is a 4 pack of IMAX 3D glasses, new, manufactured in China. Sold for $16.96 US., shipped via UPS. The amount that UPS is asking for is (USD): $3.20 for duty, $2.62  Other Gov Fees, $31.50 BROKERAGE FEE!, $14 Disbursement Fee - Total of $51.32 USD. 

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Forgive me, but I'm confused by the cancellation of the Di Minimis to the US. Do we as Canadian sellers pay  the tariff before it goes to the states or does the buyer in the states pay for it when they get it? I list on .ca in Cdn $.

 

So according to ontario-traders post above, to me it appears that the buyer is responsible to pay for all the fees to get his item, correct? That's a whole lot of fees either way!

 

 

 

 

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@ontario-traders wrote:

We just had our first encounter with the tariffs. We ship around 25 items/week to US.  A buyer gave us a neutral feedback because he hadn't recieved his item (of course before even corresponding with us). 

Turns out that the item is being held in Detroit due to duty charges. It is a 4 pack of IMAX 3D glasses, new, manufactured in China. Sold for $16.96 US., shipped via UPS. The amount that UPS is asking for is (USD): $3.20 for duty, $2.62  Other Gov Fees, $31.50 BROKERAGE FEE!, $14 Disbursement Fee - Total of $51.32 USD. 


The China de minimis was reinstated, why are they asking for Duty? Is it because it arrived in the US during a time period which duty was imposed?

 

C.

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@ontario-traders wrote:

We just had our first encounter with the tariffs. We ship around 25 items/week to US.  A buyer gave us a neutral feedback because he hadn't recieved his item (of course before even corresponding with us). 

Turns out that the item is being held in Detroit due to duty charges. It is a 4 pack of IMAX 3D glasses, new, manufactured in China. Sold for $16.96 US., shipped via UPS. The amount that UPS is asking for is (USD): $3.20 for duty, $2.62  Other Gov Fees, $31.50 BROKERAGE FEE!, $14 Disbursement Fee - Total of $51.32 USD. 


I don't see the neutral feedback on this account, did eBay remove it? Techincally duty is the buyers responsibility (but I think since de minimis was reinstated they should just let that package go on...)

 

C.

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@roxx66 wrote:

Forgive me, but I'm confused by the cancellation of the Di Minimis to the US. Do we as Canadian sellers pay  the tariff before it goes to the states or does the buyer in the states pay for it when they get it? I list on .ca in Cdn $.

 

So according to ontario-traders post above, to me it appears that the buyer is responsible to pay for all the fees to get his item, correct? That's a whole lot of fees either way!

 

 

 

 


Buyer pays duty if you ship with CP, FEdEx, UPS etc. If you are using a third party service like Stallion or Chit Chats, they are working on adding duty paid shipping to their portal (so the seller would be the one to pay in that case).

 

C.

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The tariff is paid by your American customer not by you.

The purpose of the tariff is to reduce imports to the USA.

The tariff is paid by your American customer not by you.

If you have an American competitor, their price has automatically become 25% lower than buying from you.

The tariff is paid by your American customer not by you.

 

So the basic question becomes, is my product sufficiently attractive that my US custome will pay 25% more for it.

The tariff is paid by your American customer not by you.

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