What seller protection??

As a member of ebay for 13 years I am sad to say ebay DOES NOT support its sellers.

 

I had a buyer just purchase a lego big bang theory set that was listed with the following description (see below). NOTE THE SHIPPING SECTION. In any case the buyer obviously did not read the listing from which he purchased the item! and the fault seems to fall on the seller.....

The buyer received the item in a damaged box ( contents were fine), and the buyer asked for a return. My listing stated clearly I do not accept returns and I ship with NO secondary box to reduced my shipping fees for my customers. I cannot account for Canada Post. I do mention that IF THE BOX IS IMPORTANT, please contact me for a modified shipping quote and I will pack it well in a second box. 

 

Assuming as long as I was a diligent seller with very clear terms in my listing I would be protected from buyers that are not diligent in their purchases. I WAS WRONG... Ebay has now locked my money out and is forcing me to return the item. To help my buyers keep costs low I do not pay for insurance for my items as all of my buyers who READ THE DESCRIPTION know what they are getting and the chance they take, OR they contact me for extra packing. It has taken me 13 years to find a buyer like this one and does ebay side with their 100% positive feedback long term seller?? nope... How many thousands of dollars does ebay make off of me and they will be loosing my listings and business over $110?? 

 

Spoke with Kandis (manager in "member to member department") and she said unfortunately  in my case they side with the buyer....... 

 

See ya later ebay.... if anyone should be purchasing extra insurance it should be you, so when this happens you can pay the buyer back rather than taking it away from your seller who you make money off of......  People always ask me why I stay with ebay, for the longest time I said because they are safe. Now I am second guessing my loyalty. Discouraged... ( fuelbreak)

 

"Brand New Lego The Big Bang Theory ( 21302)
 
Item is sealed in box with normal shelf ware. 
 
Set has been stored in a Dark, Temperature controlled, Smoke Free Pet Free Home!
 
I strive for 100% positive feedback! 
 
Shipping: TO USA AND CANADA ONLY Item will be shipped in brown packing paper with all edges sealed with packing tape. To reduce shipping costs for the buyer NO second shipping box will be used. Seller is not responsible for any damage caused to the box during shipping.If it is important to the buyer to have the item shipped in a second shipping box or packed with bubble wrap etc. please contact myself prior to making your purchase for a modified shipping quote. Item will be shipped to a verified shipping address only. Item will be shipped once payment has cleared. "
 
Payment: Payment must be made within 24 hours of purchase via PAYPAL only.
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What seller protection??

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You don't have to accept returns.

You do have to give refunds.

 

If the buyer wants to return the item because he no longer wants it, that is a Buyer Remorse return, and the buyer must pay for return shipping if the seller demands the item back (even if she doesn't accept returns) in order to get a refund.

The seller refunds when she gets the item back.

If she refuses the return, eBay (and Paypal) will still refund the buyer and then come after the seller for their money.

 

If the seller opens a Dispute for Not As Described (for example if the box is damaged in transit), the seller is required to either refund or pay for a Return Shipping Label* and refund when the item is re-delivered.

 

the buyer obviously did not read the listing

Buyers don't read.

In fact, it has become more difficult for a buyer to read a full description since eBay went to 'mobile-friendly' layouts. Most of our descriptions now require scrolling to be read.

Item Specifics, pictures and titles are vastly more important than descriptions.

 

I cannot account for Canada Post.

Sorry, but this remains your responsibility.

You are required to get the item to the buyer promptly and in acceptable condition.

When you buy postage, you are sub-contracting to Canada Post. But you are responsible to your customer, and your sub-contractor,  Canada Post, is responsible to you. Remember you chose your shipper on speed, cost, and careful handling. If the shipper fails on one of these, you take it up with them.

 

This is business, not personal.

You have been selling here for 13 years: your costs for a refund are just another business expense.

Many sellers use Cookie Jar Insurance to keep their shipping and service costs down.

This form of self-insurance just means adding a few virtual pennies to the cost of each item, and tossing those pennies into a virtual Cookie Jar.

When there is a problem, there are funds in the Cookie Jar to take care of it.

Most sellers find they actually make money on Cookie Jar Insurance, just like a real insurance company.

 

To reduce shipping costs for the buyer NO second shipping box will be used. Seller is not responsible for any damage caused to the box during shipping.

 

This is penny wise and pound foolish. You don't pay for shipping. Your buyer does. He has the expectation that his purchase will arrive in acceptable condition.

I surmise that many of these Lego purchases are meant as gifts, and a damaged box is not really 'giftable'.

Others are for collections, and the box is just as important as the contents.

 

You are wrong.

Your customer was right to want a refund.

 

 

 

*We can now purchase USPS shipping labels through Shippo, btw.

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For future sales in some cases instead of the option of just wrapping in brown paper you may want to protect with a layer or 2 of bubble wrap from any dollar store, then cardboard on all sides(a used box pieces cut to size will work in a pinch) and then finally the brown wrapping paper for added protection. Include this packing material in your measurements for calculating your postage. It should not affect your final postage too drastically and increases the odds of your item arriving undamaged. As your other response stated, your items may be for a collector who would want to arrive in the same condition as your original photos and most buyers rarely read the fine print. Not fair but just how it is. Depending on the distance your item is going, there can be a fair amount of handling and damage during transit is always a possibility. If you took great care in the original packaging and damage did happen you "could" be compensated in the case of a postage claim was required. Please note as the shipper you would have to start the claim procedure and then you could be a be able to recoup some of your expenses for a return or a discount without the return. Just have them photograph how the item arrived and email you the photos before they returned to you. Never hurts to ask prior to the hassle of returning an item. Really depends on how much you are willing to try to make your customer happy.

 

-CM

 

PS. Remember to consider with any return there is the possibility of more damage if your buyer doesn't repackage in a safe manner. Will make your item even more difficult to sell on its return.

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My understanding is that postal services don't like boxes wrapped in brown paper, anyway, because of the chance of the paper snagging on something and getting torn off or leading to the item sustaining damage.
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I think you are right about that- PO does not like brown paper wrapped items. I had mailed one once & it must have gotten caught somewhere & was returned to me. The item inside was bent & damaged & there was a note of apology from PO (but no offer of a refund even on the cost of shipping - the item was sent small packet without insurance.) I figured they should have at least refunded the cost of my postage as they did not get it there. The buyer's address was totally gone & the only reason I got it back was because the return address part of the label was still there.

What you could do is wrap it in bubble then stick it in a large plastic envelope such as the ones used by some of the couriers. I often do this to cut down on the weight & costs to ship.

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I've been re-using food type boxes wrapped with brown paper for years and never had a complaint or problem. The thought of purchasing boxes that are going to be disposed of on receipt makes no sense to me. Reduce, reuse, recycle. Mostly for anything shipped in Canada where there would be no customs inspection.  No guarantees items would be repackaged properly if you used kraft paper for International shipments.  As long as edges are taped securely there would be no problem. See item 7.  They really don't like it when use string around a package. That tends to get caught on their equipment.

 

https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/kb/details.page?article=the_best_way_to_wrap&cattype=kb&cat=sending...

 

-CM

 

 

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I too have mailed hundreds of items wrapped in brown paper and well taped and never had a problem. I get big rolls of tape from the dollar store.

 

I use boxes from the grocery store and cut down when necessary. I also use computer part boxes that can be turned inside out and don't need paper.

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I agree that kraft paper should not be a problem, but in this case the box is as collectible as the item.

So the buyer's expectations are higher.

When I sell a $10 book, I pop it in a poly envelope and stick some stamps on it. Boom. Done. No complaints.

When I sell a $500 stamp, it is in a hawid mount in a stock card in a postcard slip in a sandwich of stiff cardboard in a poly envelope. And sent tracked. Whew. No complaints.

 

Basically, it depends on value, fragility, and category.

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Yes. As long as they're wrapped tightly with packing tape and not scotch tape, it's all good. The other thing I've noticed on recent purchases is the empty space inside packages. Styrofoam chips may not be environmentally friendly but still offer the best protection. Bubble wrap is okay for ground shipping but the larger variety bubbles or air-packs deflate or pop in transit depending on air pressure and how heavy your item is. There was actually a company in Manitoba quite a number of years ago selling real popcorn for packaging. (Not sure if it came in flavours). Good idea in principle but last I heard they were discontinued. Uline carries biodegradable  chips if you sell a large quantity of high value items and are concerned about damage in transit. Also noticing sellers not including an actual to and from address on boxes securely attached. Shipment labels can and do fall off on the conveyors. Good to have a back up label just in case. All part of a properly packaged item for shipping. 

 

-CM

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i am all for saving money shipping and send some things wrapped in paper.   With the natur and price points of your sales it would hardly make any difference to send them in a box.  Even if you had to buy a few bundles of different sizes.  I think that would fit in these 40 cent boxes based on the dimensions on amzn https://www.staples.ca/en/Partners-Brand-9-x6-x4-Standard-Corrugated-Shipping-Box-200-ECT-25-Bundle-...

 

The box would not change domestic postage at all.  It might move up some of them to the next small packet range.  Since you aren't selling outside the USA it doesnt make much difference

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There was actually a company in Manitoba quite a number of years ago selling real popcorn for packaging.

 

One of the few things I learned in university: a 5lb bag of popcorn will completely fill a large green garbage bag.

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At the price point of the stuff you are selling I would be using boxes for everything. Postage costs will not change hardly if at all. There are lots of places for free boxes to cut down and use if one doesn’t want to pay for some.
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