What will Canada Post implement for tariff collection on August 29?

[cottagewoman]

10 days away. No announcement from Canada Post, nothing from eBay Canada. Just a few rumors on some other conversations. Anybody listening? ? A Canadian reseller FB group has a contact in eBay Canada - as of 4 days ago they have no clue either.

There will best no more 'duty paid' by the buyer, collected by US CBP or USPS. All duty must be prepaid before any package arrives in the US, yes even if sent via Canada Post. Just to get that answer off the table.

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

https://www.businessinsider.com/some-european-postal-services-sellers-are-suspending-us-bound-shipme...

It's already happening with other postal services. It's reasonable to expect that Canada Post might be forced to do the same. 

The simplified version is that packages without duties paid won't be allowed into the US, and most other international postal services do not have systems in place to collect and remit the duties for another country. This is why some people predict that Canada Post will stop accepting US shipments on or before the 29th. 

There is another thread that has a good detailed writeup of all the info so far. 

[rdemaree]

The problem is the trump administration/ CBP is threatening DDU with flat rates of $80, 160 or 200 per package.

I guess this is their way of saying "yeah, we are unprepared for these lightning fast changes that were ill thought out and we work for a criminal thug so we want to attempt to pass the burden of the process and fees onto other countries/ sellers"

this is a trainwreck and will be a mess for a few months and still will be subject to fluidity until trump is impeached or leaves office.

Most of my stuff is CUSMA compliant so im just waiting to hear a crystal clear method of proving that to the last decimal for my shipments.

For my non-cusma stuff ill just be going the DDP route and baking the large fees into the shipping cost for Americans. Ultimately ill probably carry less non-CUSMA stuff and actively focused on selling more in brick and mortars in Canada and selling more to international locations.

Hopefully the dust settles by november so Q4 isnt totally ruined.

[chicweb]

They will lose canadian sellers. Pure and simple.

If Canada Post decide to force DDP, they have to reflect it in their shipping prices automatically. If they don't (or if eBay doesn't charge it on their side, at checkout), I will just stop sending to the USA altogether.

I won't pay tariff of other countries.

[flipistics]

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

wait for it...wait for it...will eBay do likewise?..My other selling site (Etsy) has just removed the ability to purchase Canada Post shipping labels through Etsy for shipments to the USA...Etsy expects sellers to pay the duties and tariffs by using those shipping companies and carriers that require sellers to pre-pay the duties and tariffs...Etsy's reasoning(much like DT's) have the seller pay the tariffs to spare the buyer that cost...Etsy's statement being: "By using a DDP model, you can present a tariff-inclusive price on Etsy, eliminating surprises for the buyer upon delivery. This also eliminates the risk of your buyer refusing to pay a tariff after their item has already made the journey to its destination."

Really??? NO Way! Buyer pays or I don't ship to USA!

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I'm not surprised. Etsy's response to the collection of sales tax, for people who are tax registered, was also for sellers to include the tax in the asking price. It's actually the only reason I don't sell there.

[chicweb]

I have only 20% of my sales going to the USA. It's a big chunk, but not the core of my business. I estimate 3 or 4 months to get back that part of the market with my current flow of new items added daily and the grow of the sales (in Canada/International to compensate that lost).

But, I know that sellers that their main market is the USA will have to adjust more effectively. That's why more tools for canadian sellers would be very useful (duties at checkout, as an example).

[dinomitesales]

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@chicweb wrote:

Why would Canada Post do anything? Duties are paid by the receivers, not the senders. It will by DDU like usual, the recipient need to pay duties.

That's the same with the other countries in the world. Nothing will be different for the United States. Sellers doesn't have to care about this at all (buyers are responsible for duties). It is written everywhere in the checkout process.

Canada Post doesn't have anything to do with collecting duties of other countries govnerments.

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This was my opinion as well for the longest time.

Now? Doesn't seem to apply. United States has just decided they don't want to play nice and be like every other country on the planet that assesses/charges their citizens for imports. It appears as though they just plan on refusing anything that isn't DDP. No one is spared. Global postal systems will need to adapt if they want to send things to the States.

It's utterly ridiculous. But what isn't these days.

[sin-n-dex]

I'm going to build tariff cost into my total price but break it down on my own invoice for customs. I read other businesses do this but I see issues with this on Ebay. Ive been told i may be inventing issues that aren't there. At least not yet. Non US customers will get discounts on items that aren't available to US customers. I am also going to list in my Canadian store with lower prices and turn off US shipping.

[cottagewoman]

Don't forget your FVF will go up since you'll be building the tariff into the price.

[belowthemark]

This would hurt Canadian sellers more and isn't a real solution. Canada Post should step up like all the other smaller cross border shippers have. 

And in the executive order, the burden is shifting towards transport carriers and postal services. Whether you agree with it is regardless. Canadian businesses expect their crown corp postal service to be on top of this. 

[john_koenig99]

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@belowthemark wrote:

This would hurt Canadian sellers more and isn't a real solution. Canada Post should step up like all the other smaller cross border shippers have. 

And in the executive order, the burden is shifting towards transport carriers and postal services. Whether you agree with it is regardless. Canadian businesses expect their crown corp postal service to be on top of this. 

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I'm not completely against that, in principle,  but...Why should I, as a taxpayer in Canada, subsidize a Crown Corporation to help the Orange Taco get away with his backwards, protectionists policies? 

I would think that, who ever wants to keep doing business with buyers in the US, should pay to play, and use private couriers for that. 

[marnotom!]

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@john_koenig99 wrote:I'm not completely against that, in principle,  but...Why should I, as a taxpayer in Canada, subsidize a Crown Corporation to help the Orange Taco get away with his backwards, protectionists policies? 

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Consider that you and I and over 41 million others are shareholders in this Crown Corporation.

[marnotom!]

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@belowthemark wrote:

If the small cross border shippers can do it, Canada post should be able to do it. Really feels like the Canadian government doesn't care about small businesses.  

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Generally speaking, lean and mean small businesses can turn on a dime much better than larger ones can.

[rosscd57]

Why should Canada Post collect a tarriff that should be collected by US Customs?

FYI Etsy will stop making .Canada Post labels available to sellers on Aug 25 - yep just keep thinking.

So the Fedpre pay the tarriff and adujust your prices accordingly - if you can which is  very doutfull that you will get it right. By the way - this is not going to work.

[rosscd57]

I screwed up the above post - here it is corrected.

Why should Canada Post collect a tarriff that should be collected by US Customs?

FYI Etsy will stop making Canada Post labels available to sellers on Aug 25 - yep just keep thinking.

So the Fedex, UPS and the like will want the tariff pre payed - so adujust your prices accordingly - if you can and it is very doutfull that you will get it right.

By the way. This is not going to work.

[reallynicestamps]

Since eBay will no longer sell Canada Post labels, I better send out a new discount postage list to my private customers.

And plan to spend more time using my SnapShip/Solutions for Small Business account for postal shipping.

Couriers are much much more expensive for me than the postal system.

Even if some packages are returned.

[fungusamungus]

The answer to the problem of collecting Tarrifs should work like Ebay's Global Shipping Program.

The buyer see's up front what the customs or tarrif $ amount is plus any handling fees.  If they want to buy the item.  They pay those amounts and then the item arrives with no additional fees.  All paid by the buyer not the seller.

[lily-alan]

100%. That's exactly how I feel. Our government like most governments, make sure things work for multibillion dollar corporations, but they could care less about small business. Otherwise they'd rethink this whole Canada Post debacle. That and they're cowing to Trump imo, so they can again, pander to our multibiion corporations and give them some kind of security with all these crazy tariffs. We're collateral damage. We're nothing to our Canadian government.

The way I see it, the little guy is always collateral damage because ulitimately, the uber rich want a bunch of low pay wage slaves with no union protection or universal medical, to work in their factories. The Canadian government makes tax money from enough of these multibillion corporation who aren't on corporate welfare drawing endless subsidies, that they could care less about us. Our government's deal making with these tariffs is for big business, not us.