De minimis allowed - for now

[cottagewoman]

As per executive order update - see below.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/amendment-to-duties-to-address-the-flow-of-i...

[darak10]

the fentanyl "issue" was a ruse so Trump could lay tariffs on Canada without needing Congressional approval.  I dont think this is widely known in Canada.  Still cant trust a word that comes out of Agent Orange's mouth (special thanks to a customer in NY state for sharing that nickname with me haha),  its team Carney all the way.  Never thought as an Albertan I would love to see a Liberal victory with the election over & done with by the time it hits the Manitoba border IN MY LIFE but I will be very happy if it does shake out that way.   Danielle Smith is an embarrassing turncoat and sellout, makes me ashamed to drive around with an AB plate.  I think the only premier worse than Smith is Scott Moe but thats not really surprising, Moe has never had a thought run thru his head Smith didnt give him.  Kinew and Eby, both standing up for their country, exactly what they need to be doing.  Ford though has done more to cinch Carney in the polls so far than anyone else, god bless his Canada defending heart.   poor old Marvin Milquetoast aka Poilievre, he just looks lost.  Cruel fate took away his Trudeau voodoo doll, along with all the pins he'd been gleefully poking into it for years, and the guy just cant wrap his head around reality.  With any luck he'll continue to be warming the OO chair for the next 4 years at minimum, thats all the guy is good for anyways.  If he's elected PM, we are dead in the water as a country, Trump will eat him for breakfast every day until the next federal election.  If the cons want a leader who knows what they are doing, daresay that they'll need to bring Harper back for that - those guys have even fewer quality leaders waiting in the wings than the Oilers have decent goalies in their farm system lol 

[recped]

Might be the first time I've knowingly given a helpful to an AB resident👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😍

As an Ontario resident this is the first time I've ever had a nice thought about Ford, likely the last time!

[reallynicestamps]

I'll be voting NDP, the Member in my riding has done a good job.

Although the only Liberal I have ever voted for was my husband when he ran provincially decades ago.

I trust that Jagmeet Singh and the NDP will support the Liberals, even if they are as usual the third party. Ditto Bloc Quebecois and Green.

Then there is this fun fact.

 

[regs43]

PP is my MP and not getting my vote, but he is safe in this riding more than likely, very blue here. Wish it was closer so I felt my vote mattered.

[recped]

Latest update from the just published Executive Order (April 2, 2025)

The De minimis exemption remains in place on a temporary basis (same basis as previous announced). When/If it is eliminated or reduced it will remain as is for goods that qualify for exemption under The USMCA agreement (until at least 2026), all goods made in Canada, Mexico & USA will qualify for the exemption.

The broad 10% (and up) tariffs that will be applied in the next few days to most countries will also not apply to goods made in Canada, Mexico and the US.

For detailed information check the following link paying specific attention to Section  3, Subsections a & h.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regulating-imports-with-a-reciprocal-tariff-...

Those sellers who deal in goods made in most other countries not covered by the USMCA agreement will face some challenges.

[sin-n-dex]

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@recped wrote:

Latest update from the just published Executive Order (April 2, 2025)

The De minimis exemption remains in place on a temporary basis (same basis as previous announced). When/If it is eliminated or reduced it will remain as is for goods that qualify for exemption under The USMCA agreement (until at least 2026), all goods made in Canada, Mexico & USA will qualify for the exemption.

The broad 10% (and up) tariffs that will be applied in the next few days to most countries will also not apply to goods made in Canada, Mexico and the US.

For detailed information check the following link paying specific attention to Section  3, Subsections a & h.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regulating-imports-with-a-reciprocal-tariff-...

Those sellers who deal in goods made in most other countries not covered by the USMCA agreement will face some challenges.

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You beat me to it. I actually posted a few minutes ago but erred and put it in the eBay com forum. (I didn't really want to do that since most tariff discussions become political and shut down or moved to the cafe).

I just got the notification from Stallion a few minutes ago.

C.

[ae_purveyors]

Does anyone know if eBay allows you to pay the duties at the checkout for all international orders? The couple of ebay.com orders I've placed all shipped through the eBay Global Shipping Program, or whatever their facility is called these days. I usually elect to pay the duties at the checkout. 

I'm wondering if the duties are pre-paid, regardless of where it's shipping from (GSP or Seller direct to Buyer)?

I'm thinking maybe this will be the catalyst for a Global Shipping Program type being implemented in Canada by eBay.ca? 

That would be amazing. Imagine if that was one of the perks we would have received in lieu of eBay shipping supplies coupons?

Let's hope that the taxes are only on packages originating from China, and not based on Country of Production. 

[38e_avenue]

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@recped wrote:

Those sellers who deal in goods made in most other countries not covered by the USMCA agreement will face some challenges.

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I believe it applies only to sellers, who do not qualify to the de minimis exemption?  

[cottagewoman]

The full text of the executive order basically states that de minimis will be allowed until there are mechanisms in place to collect the tariffs on low value goods originating from every other country in the world, and once duties can be collected de minimis will be revoked. They're starting with China/Hong Kong May 2nd. Who knows how fast the rest of the world will be rolled out. In a sense de minimis is dead for any goods that aren't USMCA certified, imagine that'll end at some point as well.

[reallynicestamps]

@ae_purveyors 

As a buyer or as a seller?

Because this thread was posted to the Seller Forum.

Sellers do not pay duty. Those are the responsibility of the buyer/importer.

Tariffs are sales taxes paid by the buyer/importer.

I'm thinking maybe this will be the catalyst for a Global Shipping Program type being implemented in Canada by eBay.ca?

The original reason for the GSP/eIS programs was to encourage xenophobic and provincial US sellers to sell internationally, by allowing them to ship to a central US plant. Once there all responsibility for delivery was taken on by the GSP/eIS.
Any benefit for buyers was unintended.

Especially on the GSP, there were howls of complaint from Canadian buyers when import fees were included in the shipping costs.

Admittedly because CBSA had made a practice of ignoring mailed shipments because the cost of assessing and collecting import fees on items under ~$100 was higher than what could be collected.

Those import fees (on any import valued over $20Cdn) had to be collected by couriers and there is archived a thread of complaints over 5000 posts long about UPS /etc gouging.

Since Canadian sellers are mostly comfortable with shipping internationally and since we are a very small market, it's doubtful eBayCanada will ever come up with such a program for us.

[fergua3]

so for now, any goods we ship to the US, regardless of where they were made, are exempt from tariffs, if they are under $800 in value..  Once the deminimus is gone, then, most/all items we ship to the US regardless of price will be subject to at least 10% tariffs, unless MANUFACTURED in Mexico, Canada or the USA  AND are USMCA compliant..

[mrdutch1001]

as per my response to the other thread:

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Currently am as prepared as can be for anything going forward as it pertains to country of origin requirements, tariffs,and so forth. To start with, nothing I list has any connection to China. Secondly, my items are made in either Canada or USA(occasionally something has origins in Europe). Thirdly nothing I list/sell has a value over $50 so any applicable duties,tariffs etc will be insignificant but it is the buyer that will make that final decision as to whether to purchase or not purchase. I will not punish any potential USA buyers for the stupidity of their Gov't and will continue to offer my items to the USA. I ship via Canada Post so whatever policies are applicable will be dealt with if needed ,as needed , when  needed...

[fergua3]

why not punish USA buyers for the stupidity of their government?  Otherwise, their stupid government may not change.  I can understand if for financial reasons you want to keep selling to US buyers, no problem with that.  But otherwise let them feel the pain, or at least some of it, that is being inflicted on the rest of the world.

[38e_avenue]

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@fergua3 wrote:

why not punish USA buyers for the stupidity of their government?  Otherwise, their stupid government may not change.  I can understand if for financial reasons you want to keep selling to US buyers, no problem with that.  But otherwise let them feel the pain, or at least some of it, that is being inflicted on the rest of the world.

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Are you serious? I already got messages from American customers - they APOLOGIZE! 

The recent one from Arizona said: LONG LIVE FREE CANADA!

If the de minimis will be teerminated, they will punish themselves - no need to add any additional punishment from us. 

[mrdutch1001]

"why not punish USA buyers for the stupidity of their government? "...I don't need to> the USA government is doing that for us>Their own Gov't is inflicting pain on them as well. Yes, perhaps for all those who voted for that person they deserve what they got...However, those that opposed that person are suffering right along with the rest of us...

[parts_and_diecasts]

because it's the largest market in the world and 90%+ of my sales are to the USA? (I would gather the same for everybody else). I will punish them by not buying from them for the time buying, not that the USDCAD and ludicrous GSP shipping rates would encourage me to do so anyways, my last 3 purchases on eBay this year have been from Australia ($90)/Hong Kong ($60)/Montreal ($60) respectively.

[ae_purveyors]

Yes, sorry that's what I meant...duties for buyers. I just remembered this is the Sellers forum, and that there's also a Buyers forum. I primarily sell on eBay, though do also purchase from time to time. 

What you're saying is likely true about Canada being such a small market for eBay to create a GSP. That's too bad because it would help Canadian sellers open up to countries they probably wouldn't want to ship to otherwise. Plus keep shipping costs down for Canadian Sellers and all the Seller protections that come with shipping through the GSP. 

One can dream! And, thankfully, dreams are still free. 

Shhh keep it down...otherwise dreams may be next on the list of tarffed goods!!!

[38e_avenue]

FROM EBAY: 

We’re closely monitoring how new US tariffs and customs policy affect buying and selling on eBay.

From 3 April 2025, 12:01 AM EDT, Based on the most recent announcement, US buyers will be responsible for additional duties on most orders of more than $800; they may also be asked to provide personal information to facilitate the customs clearance of their orders. 

eBay’s priority is to provide sellers with accurate and timely information to help them understand the impact of the new US Executive Orders and how to comply with new requirements. Therefore, to ensure a smooth a cross-border shipping experience, we strongly recommend sellers take the following actions:

• Ensure the item location for your listings is accurate
• Include accurate information on your customs declarations.

It’s important to note that shipments may experience delays due to US customs processing. In the event of customs delays, eBay will take steps to automatically remove defects and adjust your late shipment rate when valid tracking information indicates that these problems were caused by systemic shipping delays. Learn more about our defect removal guidelines.

Duties, import fees, and personal information are typically collected by shipping providers after the buyer has completed their purchase on eBay. These will be excluded from the prices displayed to buyers on eBay, but note that buyers are responsible for paying any duties on their orders. If you receive negative and/or neutral feedback from buyers related to customs delays or fees, we will take care of it for you. For more details, check out our feedback policy page.

You can continue monitoring the eBay Community for more information and updates as they arrive.

Thanks for being part of the eBay community.

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[reallynicestamps]

That's too bad because it would help Canadian sellers open up to countries they probably wouldn't want to ship to otherwise.

Canadian sellers on the whole don't have a problem with shipping overseas.
For one thing, a majority of our sales are already "international" since most of us ship to the USA and are used to dealing with borders  and international Disputes.

In addition, we have a very large immigrant population (full disclosure that would include me although I arrived in Canada in 1952).  Most of us know, live near, work with, or have married immigrants and don't have the terror of "the other" that is a large part of the reason we are dealing with MAGA madness now.

keep shipping costs down for Canadian Sellers

When we ship internationally, our fee is based on our lowest DOMESTIC shipping fee, not on what we actually have to charge the buyer.

and all the Seller protections that come with shipping through the GSP.

I agree on this one.

EBay gives much more protection to Sellers under the GSP. Of particular note is protection from the "customs hold" scam, where the crooked buyer makes an INR claim because they have not yet picked up the item at the PO. After they are refunded they pay the import fees and get their "purchase".

[recped]

Typical garbage announcement from eBay, they should stay away from the whole subject if all they can do is spread misinformation.

From 3 April 2025, 12:01 AM EDT, Based on the most recent announcement, US buyers will be responsible for additional duties on most orders of more than $800; they may also be asked to provide personal information to facilitate the customs clearance of their orders. 

1 - The $800 exemption (they don't specify that is US Dollars)

2 - They do not mention this exemption is only available for goods covered by the USMCA, if your are shipping non-USMCA goods the exemption does not apply.

Ensure the item location for your listings is accurate

Item location is irrelevant for customs matters, Country of Origin is the basis for ALL tariffs in ALL countries for ALL products. Transshipping through a third country does not change the liability to pay tariffs place on goods from the first country unless significant processing in the intermediary country. Under the USMCA the value of said processing must be 51% or more of the final declared value.

For example:

A - You buy finished jewelry from China and sell to US buyers (Not USMCA eligible)

B - you buy beads from China which you use in the making of jewelry, the beads are only a minor portion of the materials, the rest come from Mexico, USA or Canada and the labor is all Canadian (this IS USMCA eligible)

The rules for country of origin when the raw materials originate in many different countries are complex.