Should We Be Preparing for a Canada Post Strike?

Is anyone closely following strike negotiations?

I'll likely have Time Away scheduled to avoid any Strike mayhem, but wondering what will happen to any lettermail/ packages that are already in the "stream". Will they sit at a depot/DC or on a truck for the duration, or will they likely have a rotating strike and keep moving things along with just delays?
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Union update
Tuesday November 26 2024
2023-2027/169
No. 53

Over the weekend, Canada Post informed the public and CUPW members, through the media, that CUPW Negotiators had spent Saturday at the bargaining table talking about cleaners working inside Canada Post facilities. This is an outright misrepresentation.

CUPW Negotiators instead worked on a response to Canada Post’s latest weekend delivery proposal, which was only presented late Friday. The Employer’s proposal would see Canada Post hire part-time employees for Saturday only delivery, who would only have eight (8) hours of scheduled work per week. Who can live off that?

Canada Post appears to be trying to sway public opinion and turn Canadians against postal workers, who have continually demonstrated a deep commitment to the country and its citizens. This tactic of distraction not only mischaracterizes the nature of the Negotiations but undermines the hard work and dedication shown by postal employees.

It’s clear that Canada Post is out of touch with the workers of this country. A Canada Post spokesperson said earlier in the strike that young people don’t want full-time work; that they all want “flexibility.”  But over the last few years, all we’ve heard is that young people are struggling with the high cost of living. They are working multiple jobs not because they want to, but because they need to in order to survive. We are bargaining not only for the workers of today, but so new postal workers will be compensated fairly so they won’t need multiple jobs.

Canada Post also wants new workers to accept a Defined Contribution Pension Plan, even though our Defined Benefit Pension Plan is overfunded by 140 %.

After a week of discussions about parcels with no real movement, on Saturday morning CUPW requested that the Employer respond to Urban demands that were presented a month ago. To date there has been no response. These included demands about Group 1 staffing and contract work.

 

Group 1 Staffing

The Union has demands to increase the number of full-time workers in plants, post offices, corporate retail outlets and depots to ensure they are properly staffed. Canada Post has steadily increased the number of temporary hours at most of its locations despite retention problems and training costs during bargaining. We want a local instead of national measurement of full-time work. We are asking Canada Post to offer work hours to part-time employees before using temporary labour and that part-time and temporary workers have access to permanent full-time positions where possible and part-time only when required. All of this will maximize straight time hours before the use of temporary labour. Canada Post has failed to answer any of the Union’s proposals. 

 

Contracting Out

Canada Post also failed to mention that one of their Negotiators, a Labour Relations Manager, recently told us that Canada Post could contract out the parcels we deliver on the weekends without a change in the collective agreement. The comment was taken as a threat by CUPW Negotiators.

While we disagree with Canada Post, this threat has made it all the more important to strengthen the collective agreement on contracting out of all of our work.

 

Contracting In

For many years and in many places, the Corporation has used contractors to do customer pick-ups and deliver parcels and relay bags for letter carriers. These Combined Urban Service (CUS) drivers are taken advantage of by Canada Post and the company they work for. They receive lower wages, fewer benefits and no pension; and some have carried the mail for decades. This is one of the Contracting In opportunities the Union has presented, which Canada Post has already done in some locations this year.

Another group of workers that stand beside us every day that are taken advantage of by Canada Post’s system on contract work are cleaners. Money is shared between contractors and subcontractors and the workers get what is left. In many locations, these workers are fighting for provincial minimum wage for doing tasks many of us would not do, few benefits, and no pension. We will not apologize for trying to help workers that helped us stay safe during the pandemic, and we have successfully bargained for other exploited workers in the past.

On Sunday November 24, Canada Post outright rejected some of our proposals for Group 1 staffing and again refused to discuss the rest of our demands on the subject. They also refused to discuss contracting out and contracting in for the Urban unit.

Canada Post rejected Union proposals to ensure proper mail volumes for all RSMC routes and said they were not prepared to talk about RSMC Job Security at this time.

 

In solidarity,

Jan Simpson
National President
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As you can see from the above, the talks are going nowhere.  It has been like this for just under a year.  At this rate, nothing will be accomplished for the remainder of this year.

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I shake my head a bit at the ongoing media touting of Canada Post losses without any perspective or context.   Its mandate is to provide postal service to all of Canada including vast and sparsely populated areas that will never be profitable for anyone.

 

Canada Post has also been playing some games with expensing capital investments to show higher losses as well.  A better question is what level of losses is in line with the mandate and are the efficiencies there?

 

Clearly the 1990s model of the post office is outdated and some big changes are needed, which is the root of the union and management impasse.   That will required a mandated settlement. 

 

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I hear what you are saying.  But........the Post Office has no control over what remote areas require mail service and what volume people may generate.  What they do control is expenses and wages.  They offered 11% the union wants 22% wage increase over 4 years.  Today the delivery team is 95% full-time.  Canada Post would like to hire temporary staff, especially for the proposed weekend delivery, to allow more flexibility.  The union would like only full-timers to be added, not part-time.

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For general interest, i did a quick calculation.   Even if CUPW gets the 22% over 4 years raise they want, it will take the workers approx. 80 weeks to make up for pay lost from the strike....ie 80 weeks to break even.  This assumes they are each off the job for 2 weeks ie they don't go back to work Thursday, which is probably a safe bet.

 

So for each week the strike drags on it will take each worker 40 weeks (at 40 hours work per week) to recover lost pay from the week on strike.  Again, this assumes they get the 22% raise they want instead of the 12% offered by Canada Post.

 

I'm happy to post in detail how i got these numbers, if anyone wishes.  I just didn't want to  make a big long cluttered post full of math, in nobody cared.

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Just received this info from Shippo, re USPS.

We’re reaching out to let you know that effective November 29, 2024, the Postal Service™ will temporarily suspend accepting international mail for delivery to Canada because they are unable to process or deliver international mail/services. This is due to the ongoing national strike by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers. Customers are asked to refrain from mailing items to Canada via USPS until further notice.

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very surprised the Liberals haven't moved to end the strike.   A few more days and it won't matter......Christmas season will be destroyed.    If the gov't is going to protect Canada Post's monopoly, then they have to ensure it is up and running all the time.  40 million Canadians have needs and rights too, not just the 55, 000 CUPW members.

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You have to also consider the debt postal workers will occur from not recieving a paycheck. Using credit cards, lines of credit to make ends meet until they get back to work. 

 

I have a feeling this is going to be a very long strike and the Trudeau government's lack of action at this crucial time of year will be their undoing at the ballot box next fall.    

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Canada Post is deemed an essential service, so one asks why they are allowed to strike in the first place. USPS in the USA is also classified as an essential service, and they are not allowed to strike. If things can not be resolved at the bargaining table, then arbitration needs to kick  in a timely manner, not after one year of no progress.

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trying not to get too political but i think the Liberals are not stepping in this time because they don't want to upset the NDP, whose support they need to prevent an early election.

 

I fear the Liberals are prioritizing their own political self interests, over the needs of the country as a whole.  If all the polls are accurate, the Liberals are not going to win the next election or even come close.   They might as well at least do the right thing now, while they are still in power

 

I guess i need to quote Spock....the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 

 

And i would be willing to bet a lot that a very large chunk of the striking workers want to be forced back to work.  After 2 weeks with no pay and no end in sight, they must be getting pretty nervous.  But are probably afraid to speak out..

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@fergua3 

 

Sadly now with this kind of situation it is very difficult but not to get too political.

 

Now we have the choice of the lesser of 2 evils. Majorities where things get passed with no checks and balances or minorities where it takes cooperation to get ANYTHING passed. And we have all recently seen how difficult or rare that is.

 

I was optimistically hoping this discussion, similar to Name That Tune, get solved in under 10 posts!!!

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Of course, it's political, and all about votes in future elections. Liberals do not want to be the bad guys.  Conservatives are probably saying it's not their problem, so stay out of it.  NDP is very supportive of Unions, so keep working at the bargaining table without arbitration. We the people elect the Government to do what's best for all people.  Essential services should not be allowed to strike.

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"the Trudeau government's lack of action at this crucial time of year"-

The way I see it this is Not Trudeau's lack of action; it is lack of support for the Trudeau governemnt to intervene..

I believe the Trudeau gov't would indeed be taking steps to end this CP strike, but it is the NDP that will NOT support the Trudeau Gov't in doing do...

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no the NDP won't.  But the Conservatives as  a party that supports business big and small certainly should.   At least they have every other time there was a CP strike.  However, this new Conservative party, like the US Republican party, seems to have given up on many of its past ideals and has become more populist....ie whichever way the wind blows.

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@fergua3 

 

The goings on on the other side of the 49th parallel  and why we never hear about mail strikes in the good ol' USA!!!

 

Current union agreement:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/10/20/usps-union-strike-deal-new-contract/75765480007/

 

USPS Union perspective:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/11/28/usps-n28.html

 

https://apwu.org/news/great-1970-mail-strike-stunned-country

 

Feb 28, 2017  Tired of poor working conditions and low pay, postal employees went on strike at 499 post offices in 13 states. Mail piled up and went undelivered. (It was technically illegal)  Lasted a whopping 8 days!!!
 
Now try to imagine the reciprocal consequences of a US postal strike!!!
 
When was the last UPS strike?
When UPS workers last went on strike in 1997, the New York Times reported that the labor stoppage “created myriad inconveniences, large and small, for companies and consumers across the nation” and “largely crippled” the company. It lasted 15 days before the delivery company acceded to many of the union's demands.Jul 11, 2023
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"The goings on on the other side of the 49th parallel  and why we never hear about mail strikes in the good ol' USA!!!"

 

Answer: The USPS workers can not go on strike as they are considered an essential service.

Imagine for  a second if Canada Post could not go on strike as they are also deemed essential.

That would put them into a different bargaining position and not punish small business owners who miss out on Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and Christmas. The union knows what it is doing by striking at this particular time of the calendar.

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I know, there are pros and cons, but here is an article saying it's a good idea for taxpayers to no longer fund the Canada Post loss.  After all, we the people end up paying for that in our taxes, it's not free.

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-only-way-to-save-canada-post-is-to-privatize-it

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@skylarstuff wrote:

I know, there are pros and cons, but here is an article saying it's a good idea for taxpayers to no longer fund the Canada Post loss.  After all, we the people end up paying for that in our taxes, it's not free.


Canada Post has received no government/taxpayer funding since becoming a Crown Corporation in 1981.  

 

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/financial-and-sustainability-reports/2023-....

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that's  correct......Canada Post is a self sufficient company owned by the Canadian Gov't but not funded by it.  However, if the losses keep piling up quarter after quarter then eventually a tax payer bailout may be necessary.

 

CUPW's postition is that Canada Post doesn't need to be profitable as they are  in the role of a necessary public service, serving remote areas etc.  Which is true..   The implicaton being however, that  CUPW has no problem with the tax payer funding/bailing out Canada Post so CUPW can get all its demands fulfilled.

 

And btw, since CUPW considers CP a necessary public service......why the heck did they go on strike?    I mean, it's a necessary service.  Right?

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